Because in the Big 10 or SEC half their starters would be injured by game 9. They aren’t built with P2 depth. Miami would lose by 40+ to the top half of the SEC.
OT: How do you explain the Seminoles right now(LOL?)
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So how’s Oregon doing it in their first year of the B1G coming from the Pac?
Also, you don’t think they both schools would see an uptick in Recruiting , as well as booster donations, etc. to be able to get better players and more depth via NIL with the change of conference?
FSU was team last year with stacked and easily could’ve won a national title, and the Clemson teams of the past 10 years were also stacked
Clemson (and FSU) definitely has the talent to stay healthy in the SEC or B1G. If Dabo would just use the portal, watch out. They would be back in top 5 in country in either conference.
I don't think the Domers deserve Tier 1.. no better than PSU, USC.. Oregon is Tier 1. Or are you going purely on rep or media attention? In that case USC should be Tier 1 if ND is.
In the B1G, FSU=Nebraska.
How would you describe Nebraska in the B1G (3rd or 4th tier).
In the B1G, the days of FSU domination of a Conference would be over and FSU fans can be happy with the additional money but the days of winning National Championships would end.
As I stated previously, I believe FSU is now having second thoughts on leaving the ACC and will negotiate to remain.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
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I'll give it to you Panther, you're consistent in your views
But I like you, and you do bring value to this board!
We wouldn't be Nebraska
Nor will we be Nebraska
There's a variety of reasons for that, but I haven't fully digested my coffee yet, so I'll explain later
Nothing against FSU, I just base my opinion on what I perceive as facts (right or wrong).
In about a year or so the FSU vs ACC law suit should be resolved.
Again, I believe FSU will remain in the ACC. If not another team will take FSU place in the ACC (pecking order), maybe SMU because of NIL (money) tied to recruiting.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
That's the fun part about message boards, we're all huge fans and entitled to our own opinions, and love college football
I'm hearing the lawsuit will be resolved by February 1st, leading to either a departure to another league or staying in the ACC under a different set of monetary guidelines (meaning significantly more money) and less years on the GOR
You were going to say why FSU isn't Nebraska. I'll agree if the reason is much more recent success. But both are small market teams with big national attention and followings. Both are well supported locally. Both have produced much NFL talent. Both are struggling this year.. which is different for FSU but common for Nebraska, sadly. Both are "names" that get good TV network time slots because of their names.
I will disagree with anyone saying, based on brands, that either is below tier 2 which really looks like tier 1B based on the original lists.
I wonder if we asked network sports programming execs and ad sales guys if they could choose which college football brands they'd like to see ranked to support programming and ad sales and gain ratings, every year.. any random year, not based on this years player names and talent and results, just a generic question of which college football brands success is most important to them.. what would that list look like?
What would their top 20 most important brands for college football TV programming... what would that look like?
I think we fans, who have watched college football on TV for decades, could probably imagine the names that caught our attention. Surely the big rivalry games that frequented prime time Saturday would apply.
OSU-Michigan
USC-Notre Dame
USC-UCLA (that did not age well)
Texas-Oklahoma
Nebraska-Oklahoma
FSU-Miami
Auburn-Alabama
Florida-Georgia
Army-Navy
Hmm.. I must be missing something here.. there cannot be that few in the top-tier
The SEC has risen to national attention since undefeated Auburn was denied a shot at the title in 2004, probably replacing USC-UCLA now that we have Bama-LSU and Georgia-Bama. I think this was tied to ABC/ESPN negotiations with the Big Ten (who they always pumped up a lot because they were their prime college sports product.. the SEC eventually replaced them for ABC/ESPN.. but reality followed hype.. recruits followed hype.. and success followed the recruits.. hmm.. is that happening to Colorado now?)
Then you have a second tier of rivalry games..
Pitt-WVU
Oregon-Washington
Florida-Miami
Notre Dame (and any of the usual suspects.. Pitt, BC, Michigan.. don't count Purdue)
Texas-TAMU
Then, there was a time when any big early season OOC game between any of the names listed above... or bowl games between any of the above.. and you can add a few names to the list like Clemson, Penn State.. at one time Syracuse.. for a brief time BC.. Stanford, Cal also brief times as brand names.. SMU too.. Games between them and any of the above names would be a big deal.
So, I think, those names would be the ones the TV execs would choose... because of historical programming trends and what has already happened.
BUT.. if you took a stats-based TV exec (with no prior knowledge of college footballand said you could make ANY college a sports powerhouse and create national attention because they would be successful and generate a huge local following and national attention.. the list would pretty much follow the Top 25 TV markets and find the closes colleges with the most alums. That is how you would start that. But that would be in a vacuum.. and that is not reality.
That's a damn good analysis - which this board needs more of, as opposed to arguing and name calling simply b/c someone disagrees with another person
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A few things:
1. Nebraska has much better local support than FSU. Leon and the surrounding counties in FL aren't wealthy, and 70 % of season ticket holders come from over 150 miles away. They've also had something like 275 straight sellouts, which is awesome.
2. Brands I'd agree to an extent. The no doubt, blueblood top brands in no specific are Ohio State, Notre Dame, Michigan, USC, Texas, Alabama, and probably Oklahoma. A notch below would be Penn State (pre scandal, they were in the top tier), Georgia, FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC, Tennessee, LSU, Auburn, UF, Oregon, Nebraska, possibly Aggy
3. For second tier rivalry games, I'd put FSU-UF on that list, and possibly even FSU-Miami to move down to the 2nd tier from 1st tier
FSU is more a national name, due to playing anyone, anytime, anywhere under Bobby in the 70's/80's, to raise money for the program and put them on the map. Vis a vis on Nebraska, they have an advantage due to FL recruiting and more recent success, but with NIL, anything is possible in regard to becoming elite
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A few things:
1. Nebraska has much better local support than FSU. Leon and the surrounding counties in FL aren't wealthy, and 70 % of season ticket holders come from over 150 miles away. They've also had something like 275 straight sellouts, which is awesome.
2. Brands I'd agree to an extent. The no doubt, blueblood top brands in no specific are Ohio State, Notre Dame, Michigan, USC, Texas, Alabama, and probably Oklahoma. A notch below would be Penn State (pre scandal, they were in the top tier), Georgia, FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC, Tennessee, LSU, Auburn, UF, Oregon, Nebraska, possibly Aggy
3. For second tier rivalry games, I'd put FSU-UF on that list, and possibly even FSU-Miami to move down to the 2nd tier from 1st tier
FSU is more a national name, due to playing anyone, anytime, anywhere under Bobby in the 70's/80's, to raise money for the program and put them on the map. Vis a vis on Nebraska, they have an advantage due to FL recruiting and more recent success, but with NIL, anything is possible in regard to becoming elite
