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OT: Indiana spent at least $3M on NIL

This Bloomberg article demonstrates my point about you can't trust every number out there because so much is opaque and hidden. It could be real, ambiguous or just lies. I've mentioned this before with regards to a MSU NIL but think about this even a NIL partially funded by one of their billionaires who funded Tucker's contract and donates millions to the school wasn't all on the up and up. If you can't even believe something like that is trustworthy then WTH. There is big money out there for some but you can't take it all at face value when so much is purposely hidden. I've seen similar accounts from other reporters too.

Someone mentioned a Lamborghini in one of these threads. It could've been bought by NIL money, given over or just allowed to be used for 4 months of the season and taken back, who knows.

Excerpts from a Bloomberg article in Sept

Yes, the stars are making millions. Everyone else is vulnerable to boosters making promises they can’t or won’t keep.

During the short flight from East Lansing, Michigan, around three dozen of the team’s players had received a stunning email from a booster group that had committed to paying them. The group was called Spartan Dawgs 4 Life. Backed by some of the university’s deepest-pocketed alumni, including the mortgage loan billionaire Mat Ishbia and technology entrepreneur Steve St. Andre, the Spartan Dawgs had raised $6 million, according to a spokesperson for the group. At least one football player had been getting $10,000 a month. Now the group told some Spartans it was ending those payments—dawgs for life no more.

But in this opaque new world, quarterbacks like Sanders are something akin to the celebrity CEO, and most of his teammates the underpaid and insecure cogs in a system in which they hold little power. Bloomberg Businessweek submitted requests for records to every public school in the major athletic conferences and talked with more than 70 players, coaches, agents, parents, lawyers, donors, academics and administrators for this story. What these people describe—and the available documents show—is that changes meant to enrich young athletes are instead turning into another way for the adults in their lives to exploit many of them. In the worst cases, some of the US’ top public institutions, which have long portrayed themselves as among the most progressive in the country on matters of equity, have led vulnerable teenagers to believe they’ll enjoy benefits that aren’t delivered.

Coaches make promises to entice players to enroll and then, according to accounts by multiple people, often change the terms after the fact. After committing to schools in the expectation of big NIL money, some wind up getting nothing. “It happens a ton,” says one former assistant coach at a Big Ten school, who asked for anonymity to preserve his employment prospects. “I had to do that to a few kids, and it was like, ‘Hey, I can’t really do anything about it.’” Business plans fall through, or donor priorities change, and the coaches making the promises don’t actually control the purse strings. In some cases, neither does the collective: It’s counting on raising revenue by hosting tailgates or autograph signings or just persuading donors to chip in $2,000 here or $5,000 there.

Player contracts are closely guarded, but Businessweek obtained three of them and talked to 20 people who’ve seen others. Many included broad termination rights that, lawyers say, would be unusual in a negotiated contract in any other industry. Lacking employment rights or a collective-bargaining agreement, and desperate to earn playing time from coaches, the athletes have little leverage to hold the programs accountable. The same is true for the NCAA, after a federal judge in February halted its attempt to crack down on a collective’s recruitment of a quarterback, saying the governing body’s actions likely violated antitrust law.

The injustice at the heart of college sports has long been the economic exploitation of the players who generate much of the revenue. They’re now better off, wildly so in some cases. But somehow, in just about every town where big-time college football is played, the players are still at the mercy of the richest car dealer or real estate developer.

One director of player personnel at an ACC school described a “payroll” of $3.8 million—which the collective associated with the school didn’t have. As a result, the school employee said, the team often missed payments to players. “We’ve been taking from Peter to pay Paul,” he told the academics. “It’s exactly like a Ponzi scheme.”

While the stars have leverage, the portal is frequently a disappointment for others.

The amount at stake in Rashada’s case is unusual, but the experience alleged in the complaint, of a teenager and his family stumbling through life-altering choices in a system with unclear and little-enforced rules, is all too common. In the NFL, the collective bargaining agreement requires that all contracts are disclosed to the union representing players—transparency that benefits the athletes. In the contracts seen by Businessweek, it’s common for them to stipulate that players can’t reveal what they’re making. One example is a contract from Bulldog Initiative, a collective affiliated with Mississippi State University: Its terms aren’t to be disclosed to anyone except financial advisors. An underlined passage adds that the “Student-Athlete specifically agrees” to keep the amount of compensation confidential from other athletes. The contract for the Spartan Dawgs 4 Life also tells players to keep it confidential—even after it’s terminated.

The group signed contracts with as many as 40 football players, according to WLNS, the CBS News affiliate in Lansing. (SD4L declined to confirm the number.) One of them went to a freshman who’d been rated by recruiting websites as one of Tucker’s top out-of-state recruits a year earlier—Andrew DePaepe, a 6-foot-5, 245-pound defensive lineman from Bettendorf, Iowa. SD4L presented him with an offer of $10,000 a month. Still, the deal worried his father, because the offer included a clause that said “the company shall have the right in its sole discretion” to terminate the deal for any reason and at any time. (A spokesperson for SD4L says some of the contracts allowed for immediate termination and others provided for a 30-day notice.)

“This contract isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on,” Steve DePaepe, Andrew’s father, recalls telling his son, who replied: “Dad, they won’t pay me anything if I don’t sign it.”

 
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We’re just having ourselves a self-pity party now. I mean, imagine if we don’t win another game this season. Some of you are gonna need therapy.

It’s sports. Try to relax a little. Gonna be a great week to get outside and enjoy the warm summer breezes here in late October.
 
💯.

This, “we’d have depth if not for NIL” is a BS cop out.

These kids didn’t get beat physically, they’ve been out of position all year due to bad coaching and/or execution.

Looks like the DC is “coaching” LBers now that Heatherman left. He needs to step it up a few notches or hire someone that can do the job.
They’ve been out of position because they’re still learning the game.
 
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Yes, but you said: "the school will reap a hell of a lot more than $2M, which was the price paid for Kam Ward."
You implied that is what UM paid. And that link you provided DOES NOT SAY MIAMI ponied up $934,000. That was his NIL valuation at the time.

So, al, what is Rutgers doing to connect their star players with NIL agents to ink them lucrative deals with the multitude of companies in Rutgers' back yard?
I didn’t say UM paid. I said Miami fans paid, but UM will reap the benefit. Miami fans paid through their collective canesconnection. Rutgers hired a general manager to solicit NIL deals, but no one knows whether that has yielded any benefit .
 
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Yes, but you said: "the school will reap a hell of a lot more than $2M, which was the price paid for Kam Ward."
You implied that is what UM paid. And that link you provided DOES NOT SAY MIAMI ponied up $934,000. That was his NIL valuation at the time.

So, al, what is Rutgers doing to connect their star players with NIL agents to ink them lucrative deals with the multitude of companies in Rutgers' back yard?
Cam Ward did go to Miami at least in part for the NIL, no doubt about it. But you can't assume that's the case in every situation. Michael Penix didn't go to UW for NIL, he wanted to reunite with DeBoer from his days at IU. I posted an article here with comments from Ryan Grubb saying as much. After doing well he got NIL deals from Adidas and others.

I say it all the time, everyone is different and you can't paint in broad strokes. There's a balance, maybe for some it's money, for some it's playing time. Maybe someone gets their money for a year or 2 at one stop and says okay I've gotten my money to a point, now I got to find a place where I can play. Could also be reverse like Ward. People see his move to Miami and the money he got but WSU got his contributions as qb for 2 years regardless of the fact they lost him this past year. That was good for them. They got him out of Houston Baptist when his OC moved to WSU for 1 year.
 
Cam Ward did go to Miami at least in part for the NIL, no doubt about it. But you can't assume that's the case in every situation. Michael Penix didn't go to UW for NIL, he wanted to reunite with DeBoer from his days at IU. I posted an article here with comments from Ryan Grubb saying as much. After doing well he got NIL deals from Adidas and others.

I say it all the time, everyone is different and you can't paint in broad strokes. There's a balance, maybe for some it's money, for some it's playing time. Maybe someone gets their money for a year or 2 at one stop and says okay I've gotten my money to a point, now I got to find a place where I can play. Could also be reverse like Ward. People see his move to Miami and the money he got but WSU got his contributions as qb for 2 years regardless of the fact they lost him this past year. That was good for them. They got him out of Houston Baptist when his OC moved to WSU for 1 year.
I'm scoping out our offices in the Rodkin Center. I need a couch, and that's all the furniture I will need. 😜
 
That is why Indiana is not a developmental school. They are a semi-pro school. Every one of their upper classmen are from another school. I looked at the first few and stopped looking

Andison Coby Prev School: Tennessee
Shawn Asbury II Prev School: Old Dominion
Jailin Walker Prev School: James Madison
Myles Price Prev School: Texas Tech
Ke'Shawn Williams Prev School: Wake Forest
Justice Ellison Prev School: Wake Forest
Mikail Kamara Prev School: James Madison
Jacob Mangum-Farrar Prev School: Stanford
E.J. Williams Jr. Prev School: Clemson
I hate that college FB has become this... but playing the game via NIL and transfer portal is the only way to stay competitive. Many coaches are failing at this and will be passed by. It truly sucks.. but in the coming age of a united super league; you MUST be competitive in the money maker (football) which adds value of our schools and why we belong in that realm... we're taking the money so we'd better perform at a level that is respectable.. and NIL and transfers seems the smartest and simplest way to keep up with the Jones's. Sad state of affairs indeed.
 
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Is that more than Rutgers? Or? In the New York area that should be peanuts, is there a collective set up? Go after corporations not fans, Rutgers never had a fan base let alone one willing to give up their money. Cost of living in this area is too high, basketball team managed to get some big guns because of big businesses recognizing the opportunities of having stars in this area. They need to create a position if they don't have one already that can solicit some corporations. Not being able to put 2 million together in the big ten in the freaking NYC area is nuts...can't even fill up a 50,000 seat stadium, it's not going to come from the fans...
Cost of Living? There damned college kids. Free or subsidized housing, free meals, free tutors.. any NIL is just icing on the top. These kids live near a college campus and are given everything. NJ's cost of living has no connections to NIL value for kids unless they buy a house off campus.
 
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Congrats to IU
They had a generational player in Pennix and a solid hire in Cignetti

If they’re only dumping 3 mil into NIL on a consistent basis, they will come crashing down to earth sooner rather than later
That was the BASE from LAST YEAR. The NIL mill kicked some butt after that and I hear they're stuffed with cash from small fan donations to billionaire chump change. Once again; IU is healthy in NIL, fan support and donations. Is RU?
 
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I hate that college FB has become this... but playing the game via NIL and transfer portal is the only way to stay competitive. Many coaches are failing at this and will be passed by. It truly sucks.. but in the coming age of a united super league; you MUST be competitive in the money maker (football) which adds value of our schools and why we belong in that realm... we're taking the money so we'd better perform at a level that is respectable.. and NIL and transfers seems the smartest and simplest way to keep up with the Jones's. Sad state of affairs indeed.
No one likes any of this. But it’s the way the game is played these days.
 
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So free market has already declared that NIL is a loser. Yet the fanbase is expected to support and cover the gap. It is basically throwing money away. What a crazy business model where the customers are required to cover the operating expenses of these 'businesses'. At the same time, Rutgers brings in as much media revenue as any program in the country. Until this shifts to a revenue sharing model, it is what it is. Broken and stupid. Once we get to revenue sharing, there shouldn't be any excuses.
 
So free market has already declared that NIL is a loser. Yet the fanbase is expected to support and cover the gap. It is basically throwing money away. What a crazy business model where the customers are required to cover the operating expenses of these 'businesses'. At the same time, Rutgers brings in as much media revenue as any program in the country. Until this shifts to a revenue sharing model, it is what it is. Broken and stupid. Once we get to revenue sharing, there shouldn't be any excuses.
Revenue sharing is coming soon from all accounts and then I'd like to think it won't be opaque and you'll get transparency and see where everyone stands as far as who is getting what and how much. NIL would just be a "bonus" on top of that even if it stays opaque.

I kind of think that might spread the opportunity/talent even more because some schools will have a little more money to utilize (still has to be used wisely).

Never will be full parity but another thing that can push it a little more in that direction.
 
Revenue sharing is coming soon from all accounts and then I'd like to think it won't be opaque and you'll get transparency and see where everyone stands as far as who is getting what and how much. NIL would just be a "bonus" on top of that even if it stays opaque.

I kind of think that might spread the opportunity/talent even more because some schools will have a little more money to utilize (still has to be used wisely).

Never will be full parity but another thing that can push it a little more in that direction.
You’ll never know where everyone stands because the Alabama’s and Ohio States will continue to fund their collectives to give themselves an edge.
 
You’ll never know where everyone stands because the Alabama’s and Ohio States will continue to fund their collectives to give themselves an edge.
And Rutgers will never be in the same conversation as Alabama and Ohio State. And many fans are fine with that. Would be happy to be in the same conversation as current Nebraska, Wisconsin, and Michigan State.
 
You’ll never know where everyone stands because the Alabama’s and Ohio States will continue to fund their collectives to give themselves an edge.
I addressed that in my post. NIL will be a bonus on top of revenue sharing and may still be opaque. As far as the school payout part from revenue sharing that I assume will be transparent and you’ll know what everyone is doing. The same way we see coaching contracts.
 
Are you and @rutgersal implying that Indiana as a program is ahead of then?

If so, then it appears just about every Big Ten program is ahead of us.

You make a good argument that perhaps HC GS isn't the correct coach for our situation.
Seems he would be more success at a program that can provide the resources he requires.

We need a HC who doesn't require those resources. Whomever that may be.

I think that's an overly facile analysis. Would you say Michigan is behind IU as a program because of this year? Is Maryland ahead of USC? Etc

This board is incredibly obsessed with moronic measuring sticks. One season gets extrapolated to bash RU (Hafley, Leipold, Prime even with the first half of a season lol). One season does not a program make. Did 2006 mean all but 11 programs were behind us?

My argument has nothing to do with GS. IU brought in a crap ton of transfers from one of the strongest G5 teams. Anyone can be handed the number 22 team in America and win with it. That's basically what happened. Ash would win with Mark Cuban's money.

If anything, the issue is our fans and big donors, because they aren't doing that.
 
And Rutgers will never be in the same conversation as Alabama and Ohio State. And many fans are fine with that. Would be happy to be in the same conversation as current Nebraska, Wisconsin, and Michigan State.
If the status quo is maintained, then yes, you are correct. But if people ever decide to pony up, which I understand is the dream, we could be competitive with anyone.
 
No one likes any of this. But it’s the way the game is played these days.
That's not true. There are people who are happy to have the ability to throw money at players and potentially lure them to Rutgers. They've said so on these forums.
 
But if people ever decide to pony up, which I understand is the dream, we could be competitive with anyone.
There a minimal chance of that happening. You think the deep pocketed programs will allow Rutgers to outbid them?
 
There a minimal chance of that happening. You think the deep pocketed programs will allow Rutgers to outbid them?
We don’t have to go head to head with deep pocketed programs to get what we need to be competitive. The bulk of our personnel should come from freshman recruiting. Transfers should only be to fill in gaps. Need to be able to recruit more 4*.
 
And without getting into details, long before NIL, we have given a significant amount to the University and to athletics. Got to take care of the ones you love before the "thing" you love-just wish that thing would love us back a little more. 😁
It's what you can afford to give, after looking out for your loved ones.
No one should be expected to do anything less
 
Cost of Living? There damned college kids. Free or subsidized housing, free meals, free tutors.. any NIL is just icing on the top. These kids live near a college campus and are given everything. NJ's cost of living has no connections to NIL value for kids unless they buy a house off campus.
I was talking about cost of living for the fans not the students. My whole point in this thread is that Rutgers doesn't have that type of fan base nor should it be necessary given Ruyhers' location.
 
I have different dreams-of comfortable retirement, assisting my adult children as needed and leaving a substantial sum to them when we pass.
That’s everyone who lives and breathes grampa. For someone that has been so generous to Rutgers you sure sound like a cheapo who has never done a thing. For someone who spends so much time here daily you would think you would want to win.
 
You make such a compelling argument to donate my hard earned money.
I’m not arguing for or against I want to win so I donate my money. My kids will be fine too because I thank god do well. Do what you want but so called die hards live here but do squat even though they know the rules.
 
I’m not arguing for or against I want to win so I donate my money. My kids will be fine too because I thank god do well. Do what you want but so called die hards live here but do squat even though they know the rules.
Yeah, I don't believe you. You don't come across as someone who "does well".
 
That is why Indiana is not a developmental school. They are a semi-pro school. Every one of their upper classmen are from another school. I looked at the first few and stopped looking

Andison Coby Prev School: Tennessee
Shawn Asbury II Prev School: Old Dominion
Jailin Walker Prev School: James Madison
Myles Price Prev School: Texas Tech
Ke'Shawn Williams Prev School: Wake Forest
Justice Ellison Prev School: Wake Forest
Mikail Kamara Prev School: James Madison
Jacob Mangum-Farrar Prev School: Stanford
E.J. Williams Jr. Prev School: Clemson
Maybe you don’t know this, but IU LOST 38 guys to the portal after Tom Allen was fired. Believe that was most in the country. Less than a week later, Cig was hired. A few stayed, most left. Gotta find players somewhere, don’t you think? Apparently the JMU kids liked playing for him or they wouldn’t have come. And it ain’t like IU’s $3 million NIL is competitive with the likes of Oregon, PSU or OSU (the teams we’re currently chasing), the way more “semi-pros” you mention, who are at $15-$20 million if stories are accurate.

The season prior, Tom Allen had drastic numbers in/out also. For instance, 10 of IU’s 11 defensive starters in ‘23’s season opener had all transferred in and not exactly for big bucks. The difference? TA took a bunch of former P5 3-4 stars, even a few 5 stars, who were oft-injured, lazy, malcontents who had some talent, that didn’t produce in their first or 2nd stop. Cig, on the other hand, brought in experienced “chip on the shoulder” types from the Sun Belt and MAC with much better results.

BTW, 3 of those you list above were Tom Allen transfers, not Cig’s. 2 barely play now (Farrar, Coby) and the other, (EJ Williams, a 5*, originally from Clemson, left the team last week to save a redshirt year).

I will admit, the results so far of your “semi-pro” label of IU is sure a lot more fun than being a “developmental” school. I don’t deny, NIL and the portal have made this possible, but it’s possible for any school/coach who wants to take advantage of it.
 
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I didn’t say UM paid. I said Miami fans paid, but UM will reap the benefit. Miami fans paid through their collective canesconnection. Rutgers hired a general manager to solicit NIL deals, but no one knows whether that has yielded any benefit .
Not yet We are still losing
 
Not yet We are still losing
actually, as of now, breaking even 4-4 😉
but need to take 3 of the next 4 to be considered winners
Go 2&2 then RU will need to win the bowl invited to ☺️ or have a losing season.🤬
 
I didn’t say UM paid. I said Miami fans paid, but UM will reap the benefit. Miami fans paid through their collective canesconnection. Rutgers hired a general manager to solicit NIL deals, but no one knows whether that has yielded any benefit .
Not yet We are still losin
They’ve been out of position because they’re still learning the game.
And went from kicker to kicker
 
That is why Indiana is not a developmental school. They are a semi-pro school. Every one of their upper classmen are from another school. I looked at the first few and stopped looking

Andison Coby Prev School: Tennessee
Shawn Asbury II Prev School: Old Dominion
Jailin Walker Prev School: James Madison
Myles Price Prev School: Texas Tech
Ke'Shawn Williams Prev School: Wake Forest
Justice Ellison Prev School: Wake Forest
Mikail Kamara Prev School: James Madison
Jacob Mangum-Farrar Prev School: Stanford
E.J. Williams Jr. Prev School: Clemson
So their coach got it done, ours didn’t
 
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