OT: lack of diversity

[KnightsofChrome]

Geography, Perception, Athletic Ability, Speed, Fundamentals, HS Coaching(or lack of).
Women's College Basketball

• Want a shooter, MidWest or West Coast
• Height and well coached in HS, MidWest or West Coast
• Height/Length with Athletic ability(rare) in women's sports, Anywhere
• Athletic, Inner City
• Speed, Inner City
• Defense, could be either, but more likely in the MidWest

Exception to recruiting by local Colleges , UConn
Why,, Perception, Coaching, Winning. They get girls from all over!
Vivian tries, but just does not have that ability.

It has always been based on these facts, and probably will continue that way. The Shooters want to be just like Larry Bird, because they lack the speed and agility(athletic) can't be both, with some exceptions.
The Athletic with speed, want to be just like Mike. Exceptions to this as well.
Now, if those players within the specified regions are either Black or White, just coincidence.

As far as Pros...Notice the way the NBA has started to acquire and pay players from Europe over the past ten years or so. Why, $$$$$$$$$
Some of you might not care who represents your local City team, but a great majority of this country does! The NBA realized this, when the purse strings started to get tighter. So, don't be ignorant! It isn't about the best player anymore, or ever was, it has always been about $$$$
In the late 60's, and early 70's there was an influx of black players, who had great athletic skills/abilities. The American public looked at this as a phenom, remarkable, and fun to watch. Globetrotters anyone(RIP Meadowlark)!
But, the league still had a high concentration of White players. Now, not so much. The game changed, became over the rim, so the NBA introduced the 3 point shot. It helped. So here we are, looking for White players from Europe who can at least play with, or against the Blacks.

If this observation makes me a racist, well so be it. I just call them as I see it. We all would love a different world, but it is what it is.

 

[Bagarocks]

Race or creed should have no bearing on who this institution should or should not hire for employment nor offer scholarships. Should be soley based on merit and abilities nothing more nothing less.

 

[RU2055]

Lol yea as a white guy i can laugh about it but seriously, we cant seem to recruit good white players to rutgers... men or women.

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/ti...too-many-white-guys-wisconsin-basketball-team

We can't seem to recruit GOOD players, period.

 

[Rutgers1]

Asked this questions on the wbb board but not many views hits there so bringing it here

Its not a popular thing to discuss but the question needs to be asked.

I've noticed our teams in basketball seem to lack white players year in/ year out. I wonder why this happens? Don't say that our coaches recruit the best regardless of color because if you've seen our mens team you'll know that its not true.

Historically its seems like a 60/40 split is common, but we seem to be below that consistently. I asked the question on the Wbb, have we ever had a star white player? I dont know the answer but u'd think that as a pretty consistent top 25 team in wbb we should have over the past 10 years had someone of note.

So do we have a recruiting problem/ perception problem with white players? Does this in anyway relate to our issues recruiting the prep schools in football?

There should be a quota system, like they do in education. Screw merit. All sports teams, college and pro, should be racially aligned with the general population. In fact, there should be a federal law that mandates this.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Diversity is worthless in and of itself.

Only Equality is important.

And no they are NOT the same thing.

 

[mikeinsec127]

I think what you have here has more to do with social-economics than race. It shows as a race issue, because a person's skin color is their primary characteristic.

 

[rubaseball78]

I think the diversity our men's bball team is lacking is good players.

 

[imbazza2]

Race or creed should have no bearing on who this institution should or should not hire for employment nor offer scholarships. Should be soley based on merit and abilities nothing more nothing less.

I agree BUT the fact that every team has its own team personality, team character, and team make up which is the team and how this team will respond.
Go look at UConn WBB they are always diverse and they always win. It is no accident Geno yes is a contribution to that team personality identity.
Be blind to color or race but it is a factor, how major a factor I can only guess, so yes it is a valid point. I have seen it in almost all team sports (except hockey which is obvious no minorities play much hockey)
leave the race card out of this conversation but the truth is, all white or all black teams are just not as successful as intergraded teams.
I have observed this over my life and I will avoid my reasoning as it may lock this topic because I am not "PC" enough not to misstep my words.

 

[RU848789]

We can't seem to recruit GOOD players, period.

Best post in the thread. I guarantee you EJ and CVS want the best players possible, black, white, yellow, or brown. CVS has done great with recruiting, overall, as evidenced by her record. EJ, not so much.

 

[DHajekRC84]

Gilvidis Buruta (who was not only White but gay according to our coach) o_O



(yes, that was sarcasm. Re: the RANT not the gender choice)

 

[BeKnighted]

Go look at UConn WBB they are always diverse and they always win. It is no accident Geno yes is a contribution to that team personality identity.

Geno's teams had basically the same profile during the period when RU dominated them in the mid-2000s.

As noted above, the Heather Zurich example proves that what CVS values in her players is unrelated to race. (Zurich was the quintessential hard-nosed defender, and even played outside her natural position, sacrificing her offense and occasionally her body because it was what the team needed.) She also used Courtney Locke as her starting point guard when Locke was one of the least talented players on the team because Locke was playing the way CVS wanted. That said, CVS and her story resonate more with black players, so it's no surprise she has an easier time recruiting them.

 

[rutgersdave]

Best post in the thread. I guarantee you EJ and CVS want the best players possible, black, white, yellow, or brown. CVS has done great with recruiting, overall, as evidenced by her record. EJ, not so much.

CVS actually does recruit some of the best players in the country. Her classes are in the top 15 in the country. However, she has a difficult time beating the top 10 teams in the country like Conn. Conn normally has the #1 recruiting class for the last 15 years.

It's funny how no matter how good you do in sports at Rutgers, no one is satisfied. We would be happy for Top 25 in football but it's not good enough in Women basketball. I guess we would be happy in the Top 25 in football one year and then everyone wants to win the National Championship.

 

[e5fdny]

I brought up the lack of diversity in our new football staff, all seemingly coming from white, Christian, Midwest America.
My post was promptly ripped off the message board.
What would the PC-averse Donald Trump say about that?

How about that. Had no idea that kind of thing was listed in their bios on SK.com.

Must begin to read them closer I guess. Learn something on here (and about our posters) everyday.

 

[NorthernKnight]

It matters a lot to some people, unfortunately for them.

It's completely silly that we are discussing it at all.

we are in a post racial society and have people still trying too implement some kind of affirmative action plan...

 

[rutgersdave]

It's completely silly that we are discussing it at all.

we are in a post racial society and have people still trying too implement some kind of affirmative action plan...

Sounds like the OP wants White affirmative action.

 

[zappaa]

Race or creed should have no bearing on who this institution should or should not hire for employment nor offer scholarships. Should be soley based on merit and abilities nothing more nothing less.

Agreed 100%
But white players don't choose to come here so your statement doesn't fulfill itself.
It should be discussed and remedied

 

[imbazza2]

Geno's teams had basically the same profile during the period when RU dominated them in the mid-2000s.

As noted above, the Heather Zurich example proves that what CVS values in her players is unrelated to race. (Zurich was the quintessential hard-nosed defender, and even played outside her natural position, sacrificing her offense and occasionally her body because it was what the team needed.) She also used Courtney Locke as her starting point guard when Locke was one of the least talented players on the team because Locke was playing the way CVS wanted. That said, CVS and her story resonate more with black players, so it's no surprise she has an easier time recruiting them.

BeKnight just when did RU dominate UConn "
UConn Woman’s NC 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2009, 2010
And as for the rest of your post you make the point of the CVS exceptions not CVS rule.
Her absents of diversity, hinders RU success.
PS all UConn NC teams were quite even in terms of diversity, which is statistically significant
Also the span 2005-2008 go look at the teams that won WBB 2006, 2007 &2008
were diverse with Maryland, Tenn and Tenn.
do you see a statistical trend?
( the only team in the 10 years span I do not know about was 2005 Baylor) as it does not matter as 9 out of 10 or 10 out of 10 make it statically valid.

 

[DJ Spanky]

There should be a quota system, like they do in education. Screw merit. All sports teams, college and pro, should be racially aligned with the general population. In fact, there should be a federal law that mandates this.

Geeze, you're not going far enough! We need to address the blatant discrimination in all basketball leagues against those who are vertically challenged.

 

[Caliknight]

It's completely silly that we are discussing it at all.

we are in a post racial society and have people still trying too implement some kind of affirmative action plan...

Not just trying. Some companies have diversity positions. The past just calls to some. They can't let it go.

 

[Phi_1055]

When he was at RU Gary Waters was my brother's client. Waters told him that he had a very difficult time getting white suburban kids interested in coming here to play. They just didn't feel comfortable.

That fits into the 10 year timeframe the OP is looking at.

 

[theRU]

The only disturbing thing is that you actually care about this.

I couldn't care less about the ethnicity of athletes, in sports it is all about skill and talent.

I dont really care, i've noticed something that seemed to stand out and i'm questioning why this happens.

Like i said, its not racist to questions when something is too white? But the inverse is?
What a flawed society we live in today.

 

[retired711]

Wouldn't the OP agree that there are very few white players, let alone starters, on prominent college basketball teams? So is Rutgers really exceptional? Yes, we may be losing players to the Ivies and the small colleges, but are those players who would start here? And aren't there many other reasons why we lose potential recruits to those schools? Just asking.

 

[theRU]

Before even bringing something like this up shouldn't you know every player we've tried to recruit? So say we missed on some white recruits should we not take our other primary targets who may be black to sign some lower level white recruits to satisfy some silly diversity quota?

not asking for a quota, posing questions for discussion.

its amazing how much of a one way street you guys make diversity topics.

 

[theRU]

YES, if you are so interested in this ... I suspect you are ! but the answer is Rutgers recruits the best players available - race does not have any part of it. I doubt you are even a serious Rutgers basketball fan since there have been lots of white players - Billets, Axani, Wicks, Biruta, Sofman, Waterstradt, Zurich, Hodgeson .... and what about Salvi, Rosario, Flores ? who cares ? never even thought about it

i've said i'm a casual follower so i can't remember every name. From some of my quick research it seems pre2000 things were different. So i'm asking what has changed in the past 10-15 years.

 

[theRU]

Race or creed should have no bearing on who this institution should or should not hire for employment nor offer scholarships. Should be soley based on merit and abilities nothing more nothing less.

i haven't seen anybody state anything to the contrary here unless i missed it.

 

[NotInRHouse]

I'm pretty sure CVS has had mostly top 10 recruiting classes for the past several years.

The post about our MBB team's diversity being lacking in good players is on point.

While our society is certainly not post racial the idea we are not recruiting white players is just silly.

 

[theRU]

Wouldn't the OP agree that there are very few white players, let alone starters, on prominent college basketball teams? So is Rutgers really exceptional? Yes, we may be losing players to the Ivies and the small colleges, but are those players who would start here? And aren't there many other reasons why we lose potential recruits to those boards? Just asking.

Possibly, i'm not sure. I dont really follow BBall that much, but paying attention to RU more specifically and i just honestly never have seen too many white or even latino or asian for that matter play for rutgers. So i decided to ask Why that might be. I would think if we're being open and honest about the state of recruiting, something like this should be looked at. Does Cviv need to get an assistant that can get her some of those kinds of players (assuming they're better than other recruits)

 

[GeorgeStreet]

How about that. Had no idea that kind of thing was listed in their bios on SK.com.

Must begin to read them closer I guess. Learn something on here (and about our posters) everyday.

Fireman -- If they were all white Muslims, I bet you would know about it.

 

[theRU]

I'm pretty sure CVS has had mostly top 10 recruiting classes for the past several years.

The post about our MBB team's diversity being lacking in good players is on point.

While our society is certainly not post racial the idea we are not recruiting white players is just silly.

Didn't say we're not recruiting, we're not landing them though or developing them. I used WBB as my main point of focus for the fact that we are a very good team. So i would assume that having a good program you would see great success in recruiting any and all.

 

[theRU]

I could say the same thing about the new RU football staff. Not diverse at all when it comes to on field coaches or recruiters that actually can recruit off campus. I like you, think the topic needs to be raised in all sports

You could, but will it mater if the team is diverse and more importantly successful? No

 

[Caliknight]

Everyone would trade our women's team for Uconn's, that's for sure.

 

[DHajekRC84]

Geno's teams had basically the same profile during the period when RU dominated them in the mid-2000s.

As noted above, the Heather Zurich example proves that what CVS values in her players is unrelated to race. (Zurich was the quintessential hard-nosed defender, and even played outside her natural position, sacrificing her offense and occasionally her body because it was what the team needed.) She also used Courtney Locke as her starting point guard when Locke was one of the least talented players on the team because Locke was playing the way CVS wanted. That said, CVS and her story resonate more with black players, so it's no surprise she has an easier time recruiting them.

this.

 

[theRU]

apparently this topic has been beaten to death on the BB boards, so clearly its an issue that people are aware of.

No need to beat the horse to death, but i hope we continue to look at diversity in all sports.

 

[Caliknight]

When did Rutgers "dominate" Uconn in women's hoops?

 

[theRU]

this.

Just because there is an explanation doesn't make it right.

If our current FB staff replicates THIS we will not be so quick to accept the lack of diversity.

 

[Akron Buck]

It's all Don Imus's fault

 

[Caliknight]

Uconn is 34-6 against Rutgers. Yea, we sure dominated them.

 

[rutgersdave]

not asking for a quota, posing questions for discussion.

its amazing how much of a one way street you guys make diversity topics.

Idiot, the whites players don't want to play for a black coach. We can not force them to come here. The Tenn, Conn, and Maryland coaches are white, see the similarity.

 

[bac2therac]

Why are people so afraid to talk about race...its the problem in this country..so many people ready to cringe and throw the racist term around...we should be more intelligent than the dopes on Twitter

 

[NotInRHouse]

Didn't say we're not recruiting, we're not landing them though or developing them. I used WBB as my main point of focus for the fact that we are a very good team. So i would assume that having a good program you would see great success in recruiting any and all.

I would say Heather Zurich was pretty well developed and I think is a coach now. But most bball players anywhere in the P5 are black, so not sure that is a RU issue.