^^^This is probably the most important point made in the whole thread, for men and women alike.
OT: Millennial employment
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^^^This is probably the most important point made in the whole thread, for men and women alike.
It varies but usually even when vacation days are 'unlimited' policies require approval if a single occurrence exceeds a certain number of days. For instance, a the vacation policy may require manager approval if you miss more than 5 consecutive workdays, but there is no annual limit to days taken.
....And 99% of employers would rather ""save a few thousand bucks a year by hiring younger employees....Right now I'm totally dependent on my town for help after my sister caused $250,000 of damage to me after both my father and uncle passed (had the cash pre sisters antics to pay my house off in cash instead of the 8.3% predatory loan I was quickly forced into taking) and instead of buying out my house I wound up in foreclosure and escaped barely-only for a year. Just took a 2-day security class in the hopes I can get back into the job market quick because there are few job openings that will pay what the avg grad makes let alone what I might commend with an MBA (in my hobby businesses I have both a 100% customer service record and have outsmarted wall street CEOs). In my first interview there were 12 potential employees in the same office and who called in while I was there (and I got the distinct feeling they preferred traditional minorities). An offer later that week required I work 3-11pm Saturdays and sundays-only 15 hours per week-with NO flexibility. Since my only real family is my tailgate crew Id be giving up my only bit of social life (and church). RU football would be over (don't forget networking). Would really wouldnt have much to look forward to in life. Though I face bad hunger and rotting I turned the position down-like many others (in the long run the position might cost me more in assistance than Id make).
Iironiocally since I convinced my town housing head that ; 1)Id be a target givern my suburban background and 2)I am liked and respected by the dept head Friday a social worker took me out to look at trailers in lieu of a boarding house. However, since they are so expensive the worker already mentioned a shared apartment/homesharing-the EXACT housing I was looking at (too late) before I needed my towns help. Thus without working I might wind up with the same housing Id have if I worked 40 hours a week..I'd still have to work 3-4 days a week a month to avoid starvation-a day or two more to have a social life. Also all this while the county does its thimng and has me pursue long term crock "psych disability" because long term unemployment is considered a disability!
Thise employers who cut corners to hire younger, cheaper (before turnover and rerecRUiting) wlrkers- or who cut hours to avoid benefitsd cost society more in the long run ()by the way little chan ce of paying back my now 80K in student loans) with their greediness and lack of foresight.
Those of you who R unhappy with your employees, hire new ones who will be happy with such positions. Post here as I'm sure more than a few of us will be interested..
For those younger workers you may be treated badly but at least you have a job. Remember to keep skills fresh and to increase your value to your company (p;roblem nows is that most companies would prefer to outsource over train). From my experience, employers notice short work stints as much as anything on resumes (recruiting and training is often 50% of any companys budget). Loyality is at a premium.
Iironiocally since I convinced my town housing head that ; 1)Id be a target givern my suburban background and 2)I am liked and respected by the dept head Friday a social worker took me out to look at trailers in lieu of a boarding house. However, since they are so expensive the worker already mentioned a shared apartment/homesharing-the EXACT housing I was looking at (too late) before I needed my towns help. Thus without working I might wind up with the same housing Id have if I worked 40 hours a week..I'd still have to work 3-4 days a week a month to avoid starvation-a day or two more to have a social life. Also all this while the county does its thimng and has me pursue long term crock "psych disability" because long term unemployment is considered a disability!
Thise employers who cut corners to hire younger, cheaper (before turnover and rerecRUiting) wlrkers- or who cut hours to avoid benefitsd cost society more in the long run ()by the way little chan ce of paying back my now 80K in student loans) with their greediness and lack of foresight.
Those of you who R unhappy with your employees, hire new ones who will be happy with such positions. Post here as I'm sure more than a few of us will be interested..
For those younger workers you may be treated badly but at least you have a job. Remember to keep skills fresh and to increase your value to your company (p;roblem nows is that most companies would prefer to outsource over train). From my experience, employers notice short work stints as much as anything on resumes (recruiting and training is often 50% of any companys budget). Loyality is at a premium.
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Well put. I just started my 29th year in the IT industry. I'm not retiring either. If I lose the job I have I'm in deep $hit as well. If you are north of 45 to 50, you are a "benefits" liability. Too bad the DOJ doesn't treat age discrimination, like it does sexual orientation.
If Millenials are looking to point the finger, point it at all the "guest workers" from India and China. Do you ever see them getting laid off? Nope. Their employers have too much money invested in their federal paperwork to lay them off. My advice, get into a sales position, or a job that requires mobility. Guest workers are very restricted as to where, physically, they can work.
Timely NYT article: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/12/u...-to-zip-lips-on-way-out-grow-bolder.html?_r=0
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I wasn't complaining about working full-time, but our workweeks used to be 40 hours, then they raised it to 42.5 which wasn't that big a deal, but now it is a minimum of 45 which often means close to 50 so we are working sometimes 25% more than we used to without any increase in compensation. I think anyone would be annoyed about that.
Ten vacation days is two weeks, not three. I'm assuming you also count the sick days as vacation but since I work in operations, calling out on the day of is usually more trouble than it is worth unless I'm actually sick because I would need to get someone else to cover and we don't have a large staff so that isn't always possible.
What do you mean the 401k stuff is crap? You think I just made that up? Our GM is pretty close to retirement age and I'm sure he has a well-established 401k from his previous jobs. Yes I am well aware I can leave my job, but finding another full-time job isn't as easy as you older folk seem to think it is. Maybe it was when you were younger. I was applying to a bunch of other places last year and the only offer I got was when one hiring manager told me that he was impressed by my resume and interview and that he found me qualified for a management position and then offered me $9.75 per hour.
I'm not looking to leave anymore though because I like what I do and I like working for our new GM, but I made that post to refute the notion that millennials expect everything and don't want to work for it. Some of you seem to think that recent graduates think an entry level job is below them. I don't know how you came to that conclusion. I think an entry-level job right out of college is what many are hoping for these days since many have to settle for part-time. Of course there are some that fit the stereotype, as is always the case, but I don't think the stereotypically-described millennial is an accurate representation of our generation.
Oh yes. The "unlimited" vacation policy. Problem with that is it quickly becomes apparent to your manager what a "standard" amount of vacation days taken by other groups in the company is. The reason this becomes apparent is because if his/her team takes a disproportionate amount of time off the "hey do you think your team is a bit overstaffed" discussions commence. Soon everybody falls in line.
Also, that great perk allows the company not to pay the newbies the standard two weeks when they are inevitably canned for posting too many selfies during work hours.
I have a young lady working for me. She's in an entry level job, her first job out of college. She is bright, eager to learn, and energetic. She doesn't expect to be VP in an entry level job. I don't expect her to quit via text message; actually I expect that she will move on to another job within my company, just like the guy who had her job before her. At that time, I will hire another recent grad to replace her.
Yes, it is an n of 1 (actually 2 when you include the young man who had the job before her), but certainly not all millennials are as described in by the employers quoted in the article linked in the OP. Maybe the real problem is those employers just do a terrible job interviewing and hiring, or maybe their jobs are so terrible that they can only attract terrible candidates.
Yes, it is an n of 1 (actually 2 when you include the young man who had the job before her), but certainly not all millennials are as described in by the employers quoted in the article linked in the OP. Maybe the real problem is those employers just do a terrible job interviewing and hiring, or maybe their jobs are so terrible that they can only attract terrible candidates.
Upstream. Also agreed. I don't think anyone means to say "all millennials" this or that, etc.. That said all too many companies will:eek:utsource or hire an inferior employee only to save on health care. As a grad of the first services marketing class offered at the collegiate level during my MBA at RU it drives me crazy how poorly trained and frankly bad/stupid many employees really are.Very few retail employees can answer questions about their own department-if they can speak English and aren't high on the job.
I myself was in your last described line type of position re my first job. However some companies have narrow margins or lose money and don't have the needed resources. I worked for an HMO with 1% market shjare that vwas losing money. I was totally mishired hired for a programmers type of job but the position wasn't challenging enough or didn't pay what a programmer demanded.My company refused to help train and was dependant on a consultant whom they wanted to eliminate. On day one my boss told the consultant such and the consultant started stabbing me in the back quicker than Jason or Michael Myers could have! Compare that to lots of money I saw wasted at AT&T and marketing related at Merck where my sister was employed. Wealthier companies have the resources for proper hiring, training, and compensation.
I myself was in your last described line type of position re my first job. However some companies have narrow margins or lose money and don't have the needed resources. I worked for an HMO with 1% market shjare that vwas losing money. I was totally mishired hired for a programmers type of job but the position wasn't challenging enough or didn't pay what a programmer demanded.My company refused to help train and was dependant on a consultant whom they wanted to eliminate. On day one my boss told the consultant such and the consultant started stabbing me in the back quicker than Jason or Michael Myers could have! Compare that to lots of money I saw wasted at AT&T and marketing related at Merck where my sister was employed. Wealthier companies have the resources for proper hiring, training, and compensation.
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Wow, 29 years in IT, probably the oldest worker by 5-10 years. The hidden unemployment rate is due to companies getting rid of older employees 46 plus years and reclassify their job description and giving it to younger employees. This is a strategy probably created by the consulting industry to lower cost. Other companies won't hire the older employees for fear of health problems and will take them as contractors at 30-40% cut in pay with no benefits. Forget about trying o sue the companies since they will build a file with your terrible performance for 2-3 years so as not to be sued even if you're doing a great job. My friend, the Financial Benefits Mgr, told me that the savings are tremendous. Companies were not as aggressive in the past to cut employees to just reduce cost. The only great thing that happened at my company was they terminated all of my old managers due to the same reason who gave me grieve about my performance. Only about 5%-10% of the financial staff survived and they had to to under 40 years old.
Good luck in your career and as I mentioned previous, save as if you are retiring at 55 instead of 65 because you might not have any choice in the matter. A manager where I worked was let go at 46 and I guess he had a difficult time getting another job and he surfaced again as a real estate agent with probably a 60% cut in his 6 figure job.
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There are some strange comments in this thread. A couple of posts up, I couldn't tell if Ashsat was serious or mocking everyone else.
The unlimited vacation days is interesting. Being in outside sales, that is often the case as you never take a day off anyway. I've always found it stranger when a company gives a particular number of days off to a outside sales person. I have traveled the world and always have my laptop and phone on me.
The unlimited vacation days is interesting. Being in outside sales, that is often the case as you never take a day off anyway. I've always found it stranger when a company gives a particular number of days off to a outside sales person. I have traveled the world and always have my laptop and phone on me.
I couldn't understand Ashsat first comment but I gather he was let go due to his age which is becoming a common occurrence. It also sounds like he isn't financial set for retirement. It's not enough to do a good job now a days, there are factors you can not control.
I hope you aren't assuming I voted for Obama, but I really can't imagine workers' rights being any better with a Republican president.
Then you have no idea how his policies, taxes, and regulations influence hiring and firing.
It's good science like in this article that proves that Trump is the right person for the job.
Since there's interest in the unlimited vacation day policy I'm going expand on the discussion as I have had jobs with this and 3 weeks PTO is better.
How it works:
You get approval from your boss and can take off as much as does not affect your job.
Benefit to company:
PTO is a benefit they need to track and has a $ value. Unlimited vacation is an accounting trick which has 0 liability, and you never have accrued days paid aatt end of year.
Why it's not as good as it sounds:
If becomes culture based, people generally compare themselves to their peers and don't want to take more vacation so vacation stayed stagnant and slightly down at my company. The plus side is people do feel comfortable taking more single days off for errands.
I have been a manager with 4-5 employees reporting to me in software development to base this experience on.
How it works:
You get approval from your boss and can take off as much as does not affect your job.
Benefit to company:
PTO is a benefit they need to track and has a $ value. Unlimited vacation is an accounting trick which has 0 liability, and you never have accrued days paid aatt end of year.
Why it's not as good as it sounds:
If becomes culture based, people generally compare themselves to their peers and don't want to take more vacation so vacation stayed stagnant and slightly down at my company. The plus side is people do feel comfortable taking more single days off for errands.
I have been a manager with 4-5 employees reporting to me in software development to base this experience on.
I'm not saying he has done a good job, I just don't think a Republican president would have made a drastic difference.
Thanks. Don't see how this would work in a service industry were people needed to interact with clients face to face. Makes sense for a law firm or general office work.
Sure if that republican created Obamacare, increased taxes, and increased regulations than the results would have been the same.
It does not work legally for non-salary employees.
The short notice time-off is an industry acceptable behavior. In my jobs with regular PTO people work from home often instead when they have things going on like dr apointments.
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For one, Obamacare. Despite what the WH house tells you HC ain't going down or even remaining stable. My costs are much higher than they were before it was implemented. However, one great aspect of it as an employer is keeping kids on their parents plan. I won't hire anyone over the age of 26 for any entry level job. In the last year I've let three people go with HC costs being one of the biggest reasons. All were replaced by college aged kids.
It sounds like you are not in a good situation so my comments are not meant in judgement but like I said previously, I have no idea if all this is true or you are enbellushing, mocking or something else.
I don't understand how your sister forced you into a preditory loan if a) you had cash in bank to pay it off b) have outsmarted Wall Street executives.
I am in the job market again too at 53. While there are a number of companies I have no shot at(when they offer perks such as free lunches energy drinks and CEO is under 35. No natter how much they say they want experience, they think experience is that this would be your 2nd job. But I also have two final offers on the table now with both at 6 figure base. So, if you bring value, you are still valuable. You just may need to look harder. The toughest thing is that at an older age, you can't take lower paying jobs so it is tough.
On your job search- you said forced to work 3-11 sat/sun but 15 hit max per week. Math doesn't work
Anyway- those are some of my confusion with your situation. BRW- if desperate like it sounds. Give up the fracking tailgates, premium memberships and other things and take the weekend job...
RS- I have noticed that you are one of the few that never miss some my more brilliant words of wisdom that I hide in some of these threads......haha
Glad you found another job but I see your previous company did terminate your employment so it's not in my imagination that companies are reducing older employees. Almost all the 50's that I know have lost their jobs. I was looking during the 2010 period which was more difficult but again I was able to retire at 54 and now at 60 feel I am financially secure waiting for my social security and pension to start.
Dave, haha it was a millennial who thinks he can replace experience and relationship who terminated it. Last laugh is he had no non compete and my top 3 clients are also my references. Regardless, I still don't understand half of asshats post
I agree with that but I don't think I'd consider this "increasing regulations" unless you weren't providing health insurance beforehand and are now required to because of the size of your staff. It's definitely an increase in costs (for both businesses and individuals--I was no longer able to afford buying insurance on my own), but if we are still on the topic of whether or not he has been beneficial for recent graduates, you even acknowledge yourself that this policy has made young people more hire-able.
I'm a "millennial." I detest the term "millennial." Any time I hear my self-called "50 year old broad" of a CCO start a sentence with "you know, you millennials..." I cringe.
Milennilals are misguided in many areas , but I put most of the blame on their parents . Milennials seem to have their priorities messed up , but maybe that will change as they age . The do seem very entitled though
it's not easy being a millennial. Cost of college tuition is at an all-time high but the value of a college degree is decreasing. Wages are not keeping up with housing costs. I think Gen X and BB lack self awareness. They had it pretty good.
I agree it much harder now with the cost of tuition increased dramatically but I think the elimination of the company pension will be a GREATER HIT but most won't be aware of it until 20-35 years down the line.
1 month short of my 60th birthday my job was outsourced. I had also been working 1 night a week bartending. I was given the opportunity to work as many weekend shifts as I wanted. I'm only able to get 1 weekend day off per month(without pay) so I make 3 games a year. It sucks but we all learn sooner or later that you do what you have to in order to make life work.
It seems to me many millennials expect the perfect job and the perfect life. As Obama said in his RU speech you have to accept there'll be bumps in the road. The one's who succeed are those who fight their way through it, not sit back and expect it to be handed to them.
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I give respect where it is earned. People on this board who defend(ed) Flood, Christie, and Trump will never get any respect from me- the former two for what they did to the school and latter because I don't associate with racists.
Your criticism of the President is always based on I, I, I. We can all play the anecdote game but damn your side relies on that when Newsmax doesn't have an article yet. Nearly everyone I know including myself has made more every year since he came to office, many including myself bought property that has surged in value as well.
And my anecdotes are backed by the facts: Record low unemployment, record high dollar, gas prices down, job numbers up.
And President Obama has majority national approval. Who was the last Republican to have majority approval in his last year? It was so long ago, the current football team wasn't even born for it! And your current candidate is in trouble in Utah but hiring pollsters in NY, on top of being someone whose economic policies include 4 bankruptcies, massive debt, and not paying small businesses he had contracts with.
Bitter, bitter, bitter.
Meanwhile in President Obama's presidency, I'm actually on my second job with unlimited vacation. It's called mutual respect, and personal responsibility, a policy which you claim to advocate for except in your own business. If employees get their work done, they shouldn't be made to be in the office to do what can be done by phone, laptop, on the road, etc. And it also prevents the companies from paying out unused time and from running afoul of changing laws regarding sick time.
UGH!
The fact that I piss someone of your (totally lacking) brain power is gift enough for posting on this board!
One day you will make an argument instead of name call. We eagerly await!
You really enjoy arguing with yourself. Have you had your personality disorders investigated by a professional? With the abundant free time you have, it is time.
they'll probably argue about whether to measure in metric or imperial.
There is a ton of commonality that a smart Millennial will take from this thread.
- Get a good degree, not a shitty degree or you will be 1 in a million and it will be incredibly hard to justify your higher salary via experiance over time.
- If you get a shitty degree, don't do it at a private college.
- If you have a technical degree of some sort, becoming a manager will pay more in the short run but make you much more vulnerable in the long run. Keep up with your career technology.
- Many Millennials were coddled and that was a societal effect. They were done so because their mothers and fathers were sent to daycare from day 7 on because grandma wanted to live the Womans Rights Revolution and work full time. Part of growing up is realizing your faults and dealing with them. Societal changes or not a baby boomer does not want to coddle their employee like they do their child.
- There are major uncontrollable economic factors that will impact your career. Be smart and make the right choices. For instance, health costs have been rising by double digit levels for decades before Obamacare. Be smart enough to understand that a career in any health related field will be impacted by significant price reductions/controls in the future. It's the only way and will have significant impacts on wages and opportunities of employees in that area of work.
- The past is the past. You can bitch that Baby Boomers had it better but I would trade my benefits for my dads any day of the week. Don't fret on the past.
This 100%. I'm a millennial and I don't have these problems.. Why? Because my parents would constantly remind me to stand up straight, look someone in the eye when talking with them, give a firm handshake, show up early/on time, etc. I'm sure technology plays a role in some of the bad habits, but the whole being late thing is not a millennial problem.
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