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OT: Millennial employment

This 100%. I'm a millennial and I don't have these problems.. Why? Because my parents would constantly remind me to stand up straight, look someone in the eye when talking with them, give a firm handshake, show up early/on time, etc. I'm sure technology plays a role in some of the bad habits, but the whole being late thing is not a millennial problem.

I've had some millennial staff of mine send me a text to say that they're going to be late to a meeting, thinking that just informing someone of their tardiness makes the tardiness acceptable. When I try to explain to them that being late is being disrespectful to others, they don't get it. But when I equate it to Amazon promising them two day delivery, but not getting the package until 3 or 4 days later, they tell me "yea, that's f'ed up". unfortunately, trying to get some of these younger folks to think in someone else's shoes rather than only their own can be rather difficult.
 
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Wow, 29 years in IT, probably the oldest worker by 5-10 years. The hidden unemployment rate is due to companies getting rid of older employees 46 plus years and reclassify their job description and giving it to younger employees. This is a strategy probably created by the consulting industry to lower cost. Other companies won't hire the older employees for fear of health problems and will take them as contractors at 30-40% cut in pay with no benefits. Forget about trying o sue the companies since they will build a file with your terrible performance for 2-3 years so as not to be sued even if you're doing a great job. My friend, the Financial Benefits Mgr, told me that the savings are tremendous. Companies were not as aggressive in the past to cut employees to just reduce cost. The only great thing that happened at my company was they terminated all of my old managers due to the same reason who gave me grieve about my performance. Only about 5%-10% of the financial staff survived and they had to to under 40 years old.

Good luck in your career and as I mentioned previous, save as if you are retiring at 55 instead of 65 because you might not have any choice in the matter. A manager where I worked was let go at 46 and I guess he had a difficult time getting another job and he surfaced again as a real estate agent with probably a 60% cut in his 6 figure job.

I've been in the IT business since the early 90's, never had a problem getting a job. Got my last one 1 1/2 years ago at the age of 48 (I left another job that I got 6 months earlier at the age of 47) bunch of guys I work with in IT/IS dept are all around my age and have not been fired or replaced. Haven't seen the problem of older IT workers you are talking about.
 
There is a ton of commonality that a smart Millennial will take from this thread.
  1. Get a good degree, not a shitty degree or you will be 1 in a million and it will be incredibly hard to justify your higher salary via experiance over time.
  2. If you get a shitty degree, don't do it at a private college.
  3. If you have a technical degree of some sort, becoming a manager will pay more in the short run but make you much more vulnerable in the long run. Keep up with your career technology.
  4. Many Millennials were coddled and that was a societal effect. They were done so because their mothers and fathers were sent to daycare from day 7 on because grandma wanted to live the Womans Rights Revolution and work full time. Part of growing up is realizing your faults and dealing with them. Societal changes or not a baby boomer does not want to coddle their employee like they do their child.
  5. There are major uncontrollable economic factors that will impact your career. Be smart and make the right choices. For instance, health costs have been rising by double digit levels for decades before Obamacare. Be smart enough to understand that a career in any health related field will be impacted by significant price reductions/controls in the future. It's the only way and will have significant impacts on wages and opportunities of employees in that area of work.
  6. The past is the past. You can bitch that Baby Boomers had it better but I would trade my benefits for my dads any day of the week. Don't fret on the past.

The "good degree" needs clarification IMO. There are tens thousands of STEM grads every year who cannot find work, and the number is only increasing because of this line of thought.
 
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LOL. No millenial wants to live on a cul de sac. We live in cities. We leave the rush to the burbs in unhappy marriages with unwanted and can't be afforded children to the older generation.
Speak for yourself.
 
I agree with that but I don't think I'd consider this "increasing regulations" unless you weren't providing health insurance beforehand and are now required to because of the size of your staff. It's definitely an increase in costs (for both businesses and individuals--I was no longer able to afford buying insurance on my own), but if we are still on the topic of whether or not he has been beneficial for recent graduates, you even acknowledge yourself that this policy has made young people more hire-able.
That's all Obamacare is...a bunch of Regulations. We always provided healthcare to our employees and they had a good amount of input as to their plan. However, that's gone now. Our younger employees used to select catastrophic type plans......gone now. My older employees would select PPO plans with lower deductibles as they visited more doctors. Those plans are no longer affordable or they come with 5000$ deductibles. You know every plan has to cover pediatric dental? Don't have kids? Washington doesn't care. Every June my employees get a brand new Dental Grins card for the children they don't have. Finally, for the second straight year more than half my employees plans have been discontinued. Back to the drawing board.
 
You really enjoy arguing with yourself. Have you had your personality disorders investigated by a professional? With the abundant free time you have, it is time.

Lrn2sarcasm.

Abundant free time? No, I just have Internet access all day!

See ya at 6:30-ish.
 
There is a ton of commonality that a smart Millennial will take from this thread.
  1. Get a good degree, not a shitty degree or you will be 1 in a million and it will be incredibly hard to justify your higher salary via experiance over time.
  2. If you get a shitty degree, don't do it at a private college.
  3. If you have a technical degree of some sort, becoming a manager will pay more in the short run but make you much more vulnerable in the long run. Keep up with your career technology.
  4. Many Millennials were coddled and that was a societal effect. They were done so because their mothers and fathers were sent to daycare from day 7 on because grandma wanted to live the Womans Rights Revolution and work full time. Part of growing up is realizing your faults and dealing with them. Societal changes or not a baby boomer does not want to coddle their employee like they do their child.
  5. There are major uncontrollable economic factors that will impact your career. Be smart and make the right choices. For instance, health costs have been rising by double digit levels for decades before Obamacare. Be smart enough to understand that a career in any health related field will be impacted by significant price reductions/controls in the future. It's the only way and will have significant impacts on wages and opportunities of employees in that area of work.
  6. The past is the past. You can bitch that Baby Boomers had it better but I would trade my benefits for my dads any day of the week. Don't fret on the past.

Some good advice in there, but then there's number four, which surpasses NIRH levels of stupid stereotyping. Kind of self-sabotaged your effort.
 
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Millenials - there's truth to the stereotype. My own millennial children see it. Their friends and cousins see it, too.

The good news for those who don't fit the stereotype is that there are too few of you, lots of good jobs out there, and hiring managers dying to meet you. My kids graduated with liberal arts degrees. My daughter had seven job offers coming out of grad school and my son had four when he completed his undergrad. Both were promoted in their companies very quickly. Every single one of their friends got good job offers in their fields. If you are as qualified as you think you are, there are jobs out there. But you have to do the work to land them
 
The "good degree" needs clarification IMO. There are tens thousands of STEM grads every year who cannot find work, and the number is only increasing because of this line of thought.
You seem to be putting words in my mouth. Who said every STEM major is a good major? Many many kids with majors on the STEM majors list are not getting a job - ever. That's because they choose a shitty major area of study.


http://stemmajorslist.com/
 
Is the clown who lives in a super-gentrified part of JC really calling suburbia a cultural wasteland lol?
gotta hand it to NIRH. He's like the Jim harbaugh of SN. He has actually managed to find one thing that pretty much everyone here can agree on.
 
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That this poster speaks for all and knows all is evident from this thread alone.

He has more hate for CC and Trump than the Islamic terrorist that targeted gays like him. That's a real haunted house he has between his ears. His posts are funny though, not intentionally so but humorous nonetheless
 
He has more hate for CC and Trump than the Islamic terrorist that targeted gays like him. That's a real haunted house he has between his ears. His posts are funny though, not intentionally so but humorous nonetheless

Lol I'm not gay, but moreso I just hate the racists who support him, like you. When Supreme Court Justice Barack Obama signs off on the 5-4 decisions overturning Citizens United and Heller I will laugh. You could always leave the country but few countries are interesting in HS dropout immigrants.
 
Lrn2sarcasm.

Abundant free time? No, I just have Internet access all day!

See ya at 6:30-ish.

The post you quoted came from this morning. LOL. You are so dumb it's sad. You use CE board material, but then, the saddest part, quote a post that disproves exactly what you said. But then again, the fact that your crutch is name calling, stalking, and getting banned and resurfacing with new screen names, using their tactics isn't shocking. Perhaps go back to focusing or reacting with false indignation to what is going over there as I'm sure today there is an abundance of riches.
 
Lol I'm not gay, but moreso I just hate the racists who support him, like you. When Supreme Court Justice Barack Obama signs off on the 5-4 decisions overturning Citizens United and Heller I will laugh. You could always leave the country but few countries are interesting in HS dropout immigrants.

All you guys need to cool it. (As usual, I'm doing the moderator's job.) The level of vituperation has just gotten too high for a presumably friendly board of Rutgers fans.
 
Can't imagine anyplace you work being respectful as you are the most disrespectful person on this site. Just look at your post above. That being said, can you explain how unlimited vacation days works? So you could roll into your office on Monday and say I'm feeling a little tired so I'll be back in Octoboer?
I have unlimited vacation and would prefer not having it. Basically it's the same as having a regular amount of vacation days but they don't want you hung up and being stressed if you need to take two days but only have one left. The general trend is newer employees take roughly 2 weeks or so per year and more tenured employees take 3 weeks to a month.
 
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All you guys need to cool it. (As usual, I'm doing the moderator's job.) The level of vituperation has just gotten too high for a presumably friendly board of Rutgers fans.

The moderators are busy because many of the same people kept them so yesterday. That is the offseason, until people decide Ash is terrible/infallible and refuse to adjust around 5 EST first Saturday in September. They cannot help themselves.
 
All you guys need to cool it. (As usual, I'm doing the moderator's job.) The level of vituperation has just gotten too high for a presumably friendly board of Rutgers fans.
Well, counselor...

You made me look it up. Thank you.

I doubt we would see this type of vocab on other boards.

Kudos boys! Keep up the good work.

This is sooooo much better to watch than that Copa America thing. LOL
 
Well, counselor...

You made me look it up. Thank you.

I doubt we would see this type of vocab on other boards.

Kudos boys! Keep up the good work.

This is sooooo much better to watch than that Copa America thing. LOL

Watch Messi, Mascherano, Higuain, Aguero, DiMaria et al and tell me you are not entertained. Maybe you are not watching the right teams.

BTW, I was in Squan this weekend, and the cover band asked the crowd to cheer for RU football before coming on. I don't remember the name, but I figured you or knightfan may have insight (and be pleased to hear about it).
 
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Watch Messi, Mascherano, Higuain, Aguero, DiMaria et al and tell me you are not entertained. Maybe you are not watching the right teams.

BTW, I was in Squan this weekend, and the cover band asked the crowd to cheer for RU football before coming on. I don't remember the name, but I figured you or knightfan may have insight (and be pleased to hear about it).
You are Maradonna, Robby Keane, Palo Rossi and Kevin Keegan all by yourself in this thread. ;)

Cross the bridge and go into Point to the Patio Bar next time. I think you would like it.
 
You are Maradonna, Robby Keane, Palo Rossi and Kevin Keegan all by yourself in this thread. ;)

Cross the bridge and go into Point to the Patio Bar next time. I think you would like it.

Too funny...was just told to go there by a shore housemate. I will report back....
 
The post you quoted came from this morning. LOL. You are so dumb it's sad. You use CE board material, but then, the saddest part, quote a post that disproves exactly what you said. But then again, the fact that your crutch is name calling, stalking, and getting banned and resurfacing with new screen names, using their tactics isn't shocking. Perhaps go back to focusing or reacting with false indignation to what is going over there as I'm sure today there is an abundance of riches.

Not surprisingly, none of what NIRH said works like NIRH thinks. Yes, I realize you posted "this morning" ... at 11:49 a.m. So, I figure, you went to the local library to get Internet access on your lunch break. Then ... and here's the part where you should pay attention... you did exactly what I predicted: came back in the evening (admittedly a little later than expected, bad traffic?) and posted all your replies at once. Not sure if you'll be back again tonight (maybe a mid-commute library stop?), so if not, I'll see you around your lunchtime tomorrow!

Beyond that, the only thing that makes me dumb is wasting time with the likes of you. I'll paraphrase a saying that you should put over your door and read every day on your way out into the big, real world:

When one guy comes at you throwing insults, maybe that guy's an @$%hole. When an entire room of people who collectively agree about nothing else in the world, ever, comes at you at the same time, you're the @$%hole.
 
Wow, 29 years in IT, probably the oldest worker by 5-10 years. The hidden unemployment rate is due to companies getting rid of older employees 46 plus years and reclassify their job description and giving it to younger employees. This is a strategy probably created by the consulting industry to lower cost. Other companies won't hire the older employees for fear of health problems and will take them as contractors at 30-40% cut in pay with no benefits. Forget about trying o sue the companies since they will build a file with your terrible performance for 2-3 years so as not to be sued even if you're doing a great job. My friend, the Financial Benefits Mgr, told me that the savings are tremendous. Companies were not as aggressive in the past to cut employees to just reduce cost. The only great thing that happened at my company was they terminated all of my old managers due to the same reason who gave me grieve about my performance. Only about 5%-10% of the financial staff survived and they had to to under 40 years old.

Good luck in your career and as I mentioned previous, save as if you are retiring at 55 instead of 65 because you might not have any choice in the matter. A manager where I worked was let go at 46 and I guess he had a difficult time getting another job and he surfaced again as a real estate agent with probably a 60% cut in his 6 figure job.
I began my career in 1966 in Data Processing (long before that changed to MIS then IT) and finished up in 2002 after being laid off by IBM because of 9/11. I couldn't find a job after that due to only having mainframe background. So I had to end my working years doing accounting type of work. Not too bad with a total of Zero college credits to my name.
 
I have to be honest, guys. I'm a Gen-X'er raising three young kids now. I really worry about what my kids are going to have to deal with when they enter the workforce. My generation is the first that overall is not better off than their parents. I can't see how our kids will be better off than us. Do millennials come across as entitled, self-absorbed and lazy? Yeah, it looks that way to me. But by the same token, I see a fair number of them entering the workplace at my company (over 300,000 employees) and I have to say, these kids are pretty much boned. They're brought in at what our generation would think was a pretty good salary (mid 30's) but they're strapped with six figure student loan debt and upward mobility is only up to a certain level because all the managers that would have retired 15 years ago got their savings demolished by the tech bubble, then 7 years later by the financial crisis, so ppl that would have retired in 2005 are still in those same jobs and the lack of mobility trickles down. You can't move up in corporate America except for the occasional exception. These kids are starting out with a mortgage payment, big cell phone and internet bills (which if you work remotely even on occasion are probably necessary) and limited career growth potential, I can see how they can be bitter.
 
That's all Obamacare is...a bunch of Regulations. We always provided healthcare to our employees and they had a good amount of input as to their plan. However, that's gone now. Our younger employees used to select catastrophic type plans......gone now. My older employees would select PPO plans with lower deductibles as they visited more doctors. Those plans are no longer affordable or they come with 5000$ deductibles. You know every plan has to cover pediatric dental? Don't have kids? Washington doesn't care. Every June my employees get a brand new Dental Grins card for the children they don't have. Finally, for the second straight year more than half my employees plans have been discontinued. Back to the drawing board.
Fair enough, I can at least agree with you that Obamacare is disastrous. I had a plan with no deductible or copay and an affordable premium, paid for all on my own, and Obamacare discontinued it and now even the most affordable plans are incomparably higher in cost with deductibles upwards of $6000, making the plans pretty much useless. The plans that are affordable are useless and the plans that are useful are unaffordable, and if you realize that health insurance just isn't worth it for you anymore, you get smacked in the face by a massive fine of hundreds if not thousands of dollars when you file your taxes. Not only does every plan have to cover pediatric dental, they have to cover prescriptions too. The plan I had was perfect for me because the lack of covering prescriptions made it somewhat affordable and I'm not on any prescriptions and haven't been prescribed anything in almost ten years, so it didn't make sense to pay extra for a plan that covers it, but now I don't have that option. I even met with some healthcare marketplace enrollment assistants on different occasions and they all agreed that my best option would be to just pay the fine and go without insurance.

If anyone else is in a similar situation, I suggest checking out www.libertyhealthshare.org. It is much cheaper and has better coverage than all of the health insurance plans I was looking it, and even though it technically is not insurance (it is a cost-sharing co-op), it exempts you from the annual fine.
 
Fair enough, I can at least agree with you that Obamacare is disastrous. I had a plan with no deductible or copay and an affordable premium, paid for all on my own, and Obamacare discontinued it and now even the most affordable plans are incomparably higher in cost with deductibles upwards of $6000, making the plans pretty much useless. The plans that are affordable are useless and the plans that are useful are unaffordable, and if you realize that health insurance just isn't worth it for you anymore, you get smacked in the face by a massive fine of hundreds if not thousands of dollars when you file your taxes. Not only does every plan have to cover pediatric dental, they have to cover prescriptions too. The plan I had was perfect for me because the lack of covering prescriptions made it somewhat affordable and I'm not on any prescriptions and haven't been prescribed anything in almost ten years, so it didn't make sense to pay extra for a plan that covers it, but now I don't have that option. I even met with some healthcare marketplace enrollment assistants on different occasions and they all agreed that my best option would be to just pay the fine and go without insurance.

If anyone else is in a similar situation, I suggest checking out www.libertyhealthshare.org. It is much cheaper and has better coverage than all of the health insurance plans I was looking it, and even though it technically is not insurance (it is a cost-sharing co-op), it exempts you from the annual fine.
Exactly. Now to take it a step further if you were a business owner or "wealthy" you'd have similar examples with taxes, write offs, and all types of regulations. You asked for examples, this was just one. From a tax perspective Obama altered the way we could depreciate equipment. Made it useless to update or add equipment. Less equipment means less employees. We have more than enough accounts here who could explain all the changes. I just know what I've been told by my accountant.
 
Exactly. Now to take it a step further if you were a business owner or "wealthy" you'd have similar examples with taxes, write offs, and all types of regulations. You asked for examples, this was just one. From a tax perspective Obama altered the way we could depreciate equipment. Made it useless to update or add equipment. Less equipment means less employees. We have more than enough accounts here who could explain all the changes. I just know what I've been told by my accountant.
From a business owner's standpoint, what would your opinion on single payer be? I'm guessing it would have to depend on if the increase in taxes cancels out the expense of providing health insurance to employees.
 
I find the ingenuity of the millenials refreshing who have no choice but to determine their own path. I am part of an older group who is also getting screwed by the entitlement generation of the baby boomers.
 
I've been in the IT business since the early 90's, never had a problem getting a job. Got my last one 1 1/2 years ago at the age of 48 (I left another job that I got 6 months earlier at the age of 47) bunch of guys I work with in IT/IS dept are all around my age and have not been fired or replaced. Haven't seen the problem of older IT workers you are talking about.
Glad to hear it. Hope it keeps going.
 
I agree about the communication skills. At the site I work now, I'm working with more recent college grads. They always use our corporate Instant Messaging program to ask a business question even when they are down the hall! They never use the phone/voicemail nor make the effort to walk around and chat in person. They will even use IM instead of email to deal with important issues. I prefer in-person communication.
 
I agree about the communication skills. At the site I work now, I'm working with more recent college grads. They always use our corporate Instant Messaging program to ask a business question even when they are down the hall! They never use the phone/voicemail nor make the effort to walk around and chat in person. They will even use IM instead of email to deal with important issues. I prefer in-person communication.

Ever consider that the issue is the person? If not for that IM, perhaps these introverts would hole themselves up and not ask their question at all. I use gadgets all day and it keeps me organized and working extremely efficiently. Im not a millenial, but I would not hire anyone who is averse to incorporating the best technological tools to get the work done and serve clients the best way possible.
 
I agree about the communication skills. At the site I work now, I'm working with more recent college grads. They always use our corporate Instant Messaging program to ask a business question even when they are down the hall! They never use the phone/voicemail nor make the effort to walk around and chat in person. They will even use IM instead of email to deal with important issues. I prefer in-person communication.

Instant messaging is a good tool for questions. Google "slack" and you'll see instant messaging for business is a hot topic currently.

Email is slow and good for relaying information. Emsil is Not great for questions to be asked that you need to continue work. While face to face is more enjoyable, is not as efficient and often leads to other topics (socializing).

I'm 35 so I'm right on the edge of gen X / millennial but also work with globally dispersed employees, and that would be much less efficient without messaging.
 
From a business owner's standpoint, what would your opinion on single payer be? I'm guessing it would have to depend on if the increase in taxes cancels out the expense of providing health insurance to employees.
On the surface single payer seems like some great idea. In reality, it doesn't work that way. Would you want your Dr or hospital to function like the VA? Think about the waste, cost, and fraud associated with Medicare and Medicaid. Now make that your national system? It's easy to look at tiny little countries and say if they can do then why can't we? Because our country is huge and each state is filled with multiple cities with tens of thousand of people who don't. Contribute anything to the tax base. Go look up the percentage of Canada's HC costs are on their economy and its still a failed system. I read an article a few years ago that said the average Canadian family spends about 12k in taxes specifically for HC. That s probably more than many of us are spending on private insurance. Finally, as the spouse of a Canadian citizen I could give you dozens of examples about how poor their system is for people who are actually sick or in need of care. However, I don't want to awake that poster who poo poo's real life experiences in lieu of linking some blogger he considers an expert. One last tidbit, health care in Canada isn't free and most people with any money choose to go to private doctors, imagine centers, and clinics and simply pay out of pocket.
 
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