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I was told that energy and grocery prices would come down on Day 1. That's why many Americans voted for the current president.

Instead we get executive orders on renaming the Gulf of Mexico, executive orders on banning paper straws and pardons for Pete Rose.

Instead we get tariffs (retail tax) on goods, which will drive up prices by 25% on foreign goods.


At least I thought our electric and gas bills would stay flat and the stock market would go up. Energy prices are skyrocketing, the stock market is tanking and the Billionaires are coming for our Social Security.

F'in outrageous! It's time for the common American to wake up and understand that the Billionaires don't care about them or what's best for this country; only what will add another billion to their wealth!
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morrisAsh: "I was told that energy and grocery prices would come down on Day 1. That's why many Americans voted for the current president."
Feb 2025 CPI fell to 2.8% from 3% in Jan '25. It's a reversal after four consecutive months of inflation heating up and is a step toward the Fed's target.

morrisAsh: "Instead we get tariffs (retail tax) on goods, which will drive up prices by 25% on foreign goods."

morrisAsh: "At least I thought our electric and gas bills would stay flat"

morrisAsh: "Energy prices are skyrocketing"

morrisAsh: "The stock market is tanking"

Market Corrections Are More Common Than You Think​


morrisAsh: "Billionaires are coming for our Social Security"
 
Gas price has not gone up that much but the delivery charge has gone up quite a bit.

We have a 2000 sq ft. Bi Level. The first thing i did when i moved in 37 years ago was add insulation in the Attic by myself at night after coming home from work.

We replaced every window most with Andersens. My friends and i did most of these.

We have setback thermostat for 15 years . The new Nest one senses when we are not home and lowers the heat or AC to lower levels.

Winter heat is at 70' during the day and 58' at night. Summer AC is at 76'

All lights have been changed over to LED.

We have 5 ceiling fans in the house.

We have an attic fan .

We replace our water heater every 12 years even if its still working. We had one burst once. I wont let that happen again.

We replaced our heating system in 2009 with a 95 % efficient Lennox system. We used many rebates and incentives that were available at the time that saved us thousands. Thanks Obama!

We installed last year a high efficiency natural gas fireplace that is sealed from the living space that heats downstairs. We replaced a drafty wood burning fireplace that was only 30 % efficient. This had actually lowered our gas usage. A lot of heat was going up the chimney and sucked warm air out of every upstairs room.

Our recent JCPL Gas bill was $220 last month highest I think its ever been. Electric is never above $180 even in the hottest months.

I get a report card every month from NJNG that shows efficient homes in my area use 153 Therms. My home used 119.

I would put solar on the roof but we wont be here long enough to get an ROI, also our roof is about 20 years old.

All in all we are feeling pretty good about our bills in comparison to what i have heard from others.

Some of these fixes are easy to do some are expensive, but we have saved thousands every year and will get us a better price when we sell .
Sounds good. Never replaced the windows but thinking about it but don’t expect much lower utilities bill. Winter heat 68 in living room and 64 downstairs ( nobody uses lower level in winter) , 68 bedroom at night.

Summer 78 but 3 years ago installed mini split air conditioning, best investment. Prior no air conditioning for 30 years.

Attic fan and ceiling fans but with air conditioning don’t use it much. Turn on AC in living room during day and AC in BR at night.


1850 sq feet bilevel $280 bill last month the most ever. Normally, the most efficient house in the neighborhood.
 
Don’t worry our Dictator will fix it.
Oh…wait a second his Highness and his Musk/DOGE cronies are too busy slashing services to average Americans as they figure out ways to fund a reduction on the federal income taxes for Billionaires.
Nobody believes this. You guys really need a new angle to try and sell people
 
@RU848789 Re: COVID-19, are you still a lab-leak denier?
I was right on almost everything related to COVID and on most of that we were in agreement, at least during the first 18 months of the pandemic. We even had a civil exchange on the origins back then, but to answer your question, yes, I still am strongly aligned with the vast majority of virologists on this, i.e., that SARS-CoV-2 entered humans zoonotically, like every other virus in the history of humanity, which is much more consistent with Occam's Razor (which I'm a fan of), where all things being equal, the simplest explanation is usually correct and spillover is clearly the simplest explanation. A few more comments below.

There was recently an opinion essay published in the Times making a case for a lab leak as a likely source of the pandemic. I read it - it wasn't convincing at all, IMO, and I thought Dr. Andersen (an immunologist and top expert in infectious diseases) did a very nice job taking apart the shoddy case made by Dr. Chan (a molecular biologist) in the Times opinion essay; see the link below, which includes the key points in the Times essay and the counterpoints by Dr. Andersen.

https://bsky.app/.../did:plc.../post/3ku7aov4pvd23

In addition, Dr. Holmes one of the world's foremost evolutionary virologists recently published a superb paper making a very strong case for zoonotic spillover as the root cause of the pandemic, which is exactly how every other viral pandemic in human history has begun. Worth reading, although it's pretty deep.

https://www.annualreviews.org/.../annurev-virology-093022...

And, for what it's worth (a modest amount, at most), the vast majority (77%) of virologists/epidemiologists recently surveyed believe that natural zoonotic spillover is the most likely cause of the pandemic, with only 21% thinking a lab leak was the cause. We'll likely never be able to "prove" a lab leak wasn't the source, but most of the scientific evidence still supports zoonotic spillover, despite what the CIA says (which was very equivocal, by the way with a very weak conclusion that a lab leak was most likely).

https://www.science.org/.../art...-back-natural-origin...

I'd actually be happy to debate this or other COVID topics with you or others who can maintain civility (not the raging lunatic anti-science folks who pollute the CEsspool), but I suspect that once I post this, the thread will be locked because everyone else is seemingly allowed to post about COVID except me, which is kind of nutty, since I brought the most useful COVID info to the board for the first 18 months of the pandemic (and many others did too, but I was spending many hours per day researching and posting here and elsewhere, since I had the spare time in retirement).
 
I was right on almost everything related to COVID and on most of that we were in agreement, at least during the first 18 months of the pandemic. We even had a civil exchange on the origins back then, but to answer your question, yes, I still am strongly aligned with the vast majority of virologists on this, i.e., that SARS-CoV-2 entered humans zoonotically, like every other virus in the history of humanity, which is much more consistent with Occam's Razor (which I'm a fan of), where all things being equal, the simplest explanation is usually correct and spillover is clearly the simplest explanation. A few more comments below.

There was recently an opinion essay published in the Times making a case for a lab leak as a likely source of the pandemic. I read it - it wasn't convincing at all, IMO, and I thought Dr. Andersen (an immunologist and top expert in infectious diseases) did a very nice job taking apart the shoddy case made by Dr. Chan (a molecular biologist) in the Times opinion essay; see the link below, which includes the key points in the Times essay and the counterpoints by Dr. Andersen.

https://bsky.app/.../did:plc.../post/3ku7aov4pvd23

In addition, Dr. Holmes one of the world's foremost evolutionary virologists recently published a superb paper making a very strong case for zoonotic spillover as the root cause of the pandemic, which is exactly how every other viral pandemic in human history has begun. Worth reading, although it's pretty deep.

https://www.annualreviews.org/.../annurev-virology-093022...

And, for what it's worth (a modest amount, at most), the vast majority (77%) of virologists/epidemiologists recently surveyed believe that natural zoonotic spillover is the most likely cause of the pandemic, with only 21% thinking a lab leak was the cause. We'll likely never be able to "prove" a lab leak wasn't the source, but most of the scientific evidence still supports zoonotic spillover, despite what the CIA says (which was very equivocal, by the way with a very weak conclusion that a lab leak was most likely).

https://www.science.org/.../art...-back-natural-origin...

I'd actually be happy to debate this or other COVID topics with you or others who can maintain civility (not the raging lunatic anti-science folks who pollute the CEsspool), but I suspect that once I post this, the thread will be locked because everyone else is seemingly allowed to post about COVID except me, which is kind of nutty, since I brought the most useful COVID info to the board for the first 18 months of the pandemic (and many others did too, but I was spending many hours per day researching and posting here and elsewhere, since I had the spare time in retirement).
It’s pretty much settled fact even with the hardcore left that COVID was due to a lab leak and the lab was funded by Fauci’s gain of function initiative.

So you were wrong on its origin. Wrong about Fauci. Wrong about masks. Wrong about lockdowns. Wrong about the death count (where the NIH finally admitted that 30-40% of those people died "with" but not "from" the virus). What were you right about again?

 
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I was right on almost everything related to COVID and on most of that we were in agreement, at least during the first 18 months of the pandemic. We even had a civil exchange on the origins back then, but to answer your question, yes, I still am strongly aligned with the vast majority of virologists on this, i.e., that SARS-CoV-2 entered humans zoonotically, like every other virus in the history of humanity, which is much more consistent with Occam's Razor (which I'm a fan of), where all things being equal, the simplest explanation is usually correct and spillover is clearly the simplest explanation. A few more comments below.

There was recently an opinion essay published in the Times making a case for a lab leak as a likely source of the pandemic. I read it - it wasn't convincing at all, IMO, and I thought Dr. Andersen (an immunologist and top expert in infectious diseases) did a very nice job taking apart the shoddy case made by Dr. Chan (a molecular biologist) in the Times opinion essay; see the link below, which includes the key points in the Times essay and the counterpoints by Dr. Andersen.

https://bsky.app/.../did:plc.../post/3ku7aov4pvd23

In addition, Dr. Holmes one of the world's foremost evolutionary virologists recently published a superb paper making a very strong case for zoonotic spillover as the root cause of the pandemic, which is exactly how every other viral pandemic in human history has begun. Worth reading, although it's pretty deep.

https://www.annualreviews.org/.../annurev-virology-093022...

And, for what it's worth (a modest amount, at most), the vast majority (77%) of virologists/epidemiologists recently surveyed believe that natural zoonotic spillover is the most likely cause of the pandemic, with only 21% thinking a lab leak was the cause. We'll likely never be able to "prove" a lab leak wasn't the source, but most of the scientific evidence still supports zoonotic spillover, despite what the CIA says (which was very equivocal, by the way with a very weak conclusion that a lab leak was most likely).

https://www.science.org/.../art...-back-natural-origin...

I'd actually be happy to debate this or other COVID topics with you or others who can maintain civility (not the raging lunatic anti-science folks who pollute the CEsspool), but I suspect that once I post this, the thread will be locked because everyone else is seemingly allowed to post about COVID except me, which is kind of nutty, since I brought the most useful COVID info to the board for the first 18 months of the pandemic (and many others did too, but I was spending many hours per day researching and posting here and elsewhere, since I had the spare time in retirement).
C’mon man! You were wrong on just about everything! No wonder so many people bust your b@lls all the time here. It’s ok to admit a bunch of people got it wrong.
 
I have not been following all the Covid stuff but has anything been proven to an extent that it is not be challenged?

For example, on a post above it is mentioned that the CIA has come out with the lab leak opinion but aren't there other individuals/organizations with a different opinion? It seems to me that this Covid stuff just like any other area of news we as individuals lean towards the opinion from sources that we find reputable or they come out with an opinion we ourselves already have.

CIA is a good source to accept for Covid but not a good source for Russian election interference or the CIA is a good source on Russian election interference but not a good source on the cause of Covid.
 
I have not been following all the Covid stuff but has anything been proven to an extent that it is not be challenged?

For example, on a post above it is mentioned that the CIA has come out with the lab leak opinion but aren't there other individuals/organizations with a different opinion?
Yeah, Germany and Britian's secret services both came out and said, from the start they were 99% sure it was a lab leak. These findings just like our own government's were suppressed, It was a coverup of incompetence. It was textbook, throw the ball over here (bat eating), deny, deny, deny, anyone who dissents from your view censor and shame, have your media friends put out stories and call anyone who has other thoughts racists.

This is coming from someone who believed in the zoonotic theory at the start, then came to find out I was duped by my own government to save their asses.
 
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