I would tune in to hear Pike answer simple questions like:
Coach the team was a step slow all night do you think they are still flat after the collapse in the Michigan game?
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Coach the team was a step slow all night do you think they are still flat after the collapse in the Michigan game?
@fluoxetine I don’t see why future team results matter when discussing the topic of fans expecting the coach showing up to a press conference/media session and address the fan bases concerns in an honest way.
You are speaking to your fan base who has supported the program financially and provided an above average home court environment for a few years (as many do) and many are communicating that they feel their voice isn’t being heard. A coach can choose to not address it and leave the fan base upset, but that seems counterintuitive to a coach who needs their money to support the lifeblood of the program.
A fan base has every right to demand accountability from their programs, and it’s extremely important to have a demanding fanbase if you want a successful program (this comes to life in different ways, words and grievance is one, financial support another, etc.).
Coach Pikiell would be wise to address his fan base in a sincere and honest manner. “Taking accountability” in a transparent way is part of that. By not doing all these things he is not leading this program well.
If this was a one off then maybe you could side with a coach and point to an overreaction from a hurt fanbase.
But this is a program trending down for 5 years. Our head coach has been coaching D1 basketball for 20 years and has 1 NCAA tournament win to his name. The fan base knows the future of the program is bleak, and there is no clear action plan for us to follow in the short term. It would be wise to step up and have an honest conversation.
You are speaking to your fan base who has supported the program financially and provided an above average home court environment for a few years (as many do) and many are communicating that they feel their voice isn’t being heard. A coach can choose to not address it and leave the fan base upset, but that seems counterintuitive to a coach who needs their money to support the lifeblood of the program.
A fan base has every right to demand accountability from their programs, and it’s extremely important to have a demanding fanbase if you want a successful program (this comes to life in different ways, words and grievance is one, financial support another, etc.).
Coach Pikiell would be wise to address his fan base in a sincere and honest manner. “Taking accountability” in a transparent way is part of that. By not doing all these things he is not leading this program well.
If this was a one off then maybe you could side with a coach and point to an overreaction from a hurt fanbase.
But this is a program trending down for 5 years. Our head coach has been coaching D1 basketball for 20 years and has 1 NCAA tournament win to his name. The fan base knows the future of the program is bleak, and there is no clear action plan for us to follow in the short term. It would be wise to step up and have an honest conversation.
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It takes discipline to step up and have honest conversations
The program lacks discipline from top to bottom ask the Spencers and the big 10 announcing team and in Studio guys who pointed it out a few weeks ago.
The signs have long been observable!!
The results are the only reason 99% of the people here complain; if the team loses they will complain about Pike's press conference, what he wears, his accent, how he talked to the ref, the fact that some player was caught smiling during the game, etc.
It is a one off? Or like, a "very few" off? As I said upthread, wake me up if he starts skipping them every game.
For what purpose? If he fixes the problem, we will be happy. If he doesn't, we will be unhappy and he will eventually be fired. There is no press conference in the world that can change that.
He shouldn't generally skip the conferences because they are an "obligation" of being coach. But if he wants to give his normal coachspeak answers that is more than fine by me. Just start winning games.
I am now dreadfully sorry I even started this thread, such that it has led to this endless discussion trashing Pikiell.
I hate threads that devolve into this type of discussion, way more than I hated the RU performance vs Purdue.
And I intend to support the current coach until he is no longer RU's coach, and the current players on the team until they are no longer on the team, and will continue to renew - and even try to get better - my tickets/seats. No matter how disappointed I might be, I guess I am Charlie Brown, eh:
I hate threads that devolve into this type of discussion, way more than I hated the RU performance vs Purdue.
And I intend to support the current coach until he is no longer RU's coach, and the current players on the team until they are no longer on the team, and will continue to renew - and even try to get better - my tickets/seats. No matter how disappointed I might be, I guess I am Charlie Brown, eh:
I am now dreadfully sorry I even started this thread, such that it has led to this endless discussion trashing Pikiell.
I hate threads that devolve into this type of discussion, way more than I hated the RU performance vs Purdue.
And I intend to support the current coach until he is no longer RU's coach, and the current players on the team until they are no longer on the team, and will continue to renew - and even try to get better - my tickets/seats. No matter how disappointed I might be, I guess I am Charlie Brown, eh:
certainly your right...
I think he was avoiding trashing the team publicly. There really was nothing good to say after this one.
This is where I am. I want him to get this fixed next season, but it’s been a poor job across the board, from roster construction to getting guys motivated to fitness. Sure, team had some bad breaks but relying on 2 players left us exposed.
Time to let BK pursue a lower level HC job (if he can get one) and shake up the staff.
I booked to Indy next week hoping for magic, but I just don’t see that happening now.
You seem to be making a really big deal of this non-story. Would you have been watching this question and answer period after the game? Most had stopped watching before the game was over, can't imagine anyone was actually waiting for a post game.
The only press conference that matters at this point will be the end of year presser.
And a lot of you seem to be making alot of excuses for Pike. I will leave it at that
I don’t think anyone is making excuses at this point. He shit the bed.
But most of us think he’s earned the chance to get this back on track over the next 2 seasons (preferably one).
Much like Greg has gotten a lot of mileage out of one great season, a handful of good ones, and a bunch of mediocre ones, Pike has - and will need to do better. This isn’t charity.
I haven't made a single excuse for him, he's been awful building and coaching this team. I also blame all the fans that wanted him to make his teams better offensively. The last two years are his attempt at that. Nothing he says after the Purdue game would have meant anything. Let's see him after the year. Another year like this next year and I'd think he's gone.
We relied on 2 players because we had to give them all the money. It is hard to put together a big10 roster with no money. We do not have the money to compete at this level. In order to compete the way people want us to compete, we need $1M per player for a total of $9-$10M. Until we have this nothing will change.
Spencer's family was lying. Cam was waiting it out for more money. Had nothing to do with discipline or accountability. Cliff same thing. Money.
posters can be put on ignore...giving up 100 points in 65 possessions can't be unseen. Last year we had 4 games total where our adjusted defensive efficiency was above a point per possession. We are currently on a 7 game bender with all of them over 1.00.I am now dreadfully sorry I even started this thread, such that it has led to this endless discussion trashing Pikiell.
I hate threads that devolve into this type of discussion, way more than I hated the RU performance vs Purdue.
And I intend to support the current coach until he is no longer RU's coach, and the current players on the team until they are no longer on the team, and will continue to renew - and even try to get better - my tickets/seats. No matter how disappointed I might be, I guess I am Charlie Brown, eh:
I have a 9 year sample of what a Pike team looks like defensively and this isn't it. Given that this is an outlier I feel pretty good that it will be fixed.
Pikiell admitted mistake and apologizes. He is a bigger man than many in this thread who would not acknowledge the same.
“I apologize,” Pikiell said Thursday. “You put your life into something, you want it for the kids, you want it for your university. Those are tough moments. I became a little bit unprofessional which I don’t do, and I pride myself on being a good professional.
“I apologize,” Pikiell said Thursday. “You put your life into something, you want it for the kids, you want it for your university. Those are tough moments. I became a little bit unprofessional which I don’t do, and I pride myself on being a good professional.
The problem is we have a 9 year sample of what a Pike team looks like offensively and this is it.
Even with elite talent (Ace/Dylan) it's a mid-Big Ten offense.
The defense may be fixed next year but the offense is likely to get much worse.
Last year all over again.
Curious, do you view these posts as "not acknowleging the same"?
Most of the people complaining would rather he be more like Mick Cronin who did the very "professional" actions of ripping his players in the press conference and getting tossed from the next game. If Pike did that, he would be apologizing too.
If your position was like mine, i.e. yes he should do the press conferences but it's not some huge deal that he skipped one, then (1) okay I agree with you and (2) that is not the position of the majority in this thread that I am arguing against.
It’s amazing to me that this isn’t a given for everyone.
On the other hand, offense certainly a big question mark. We are barely top 50 with 2 NBA stars and otherwise never top 80.
have a greyhound to complete in dog races, or a shepherd to work the livestock.
In the past Pike has brought in solid defenders at the expense of offensive talent with just a few exceptions. This year to fit with Ace and Dylan the idea was to get more offense at the expense of defense (eg no big) but the additions didn’t turn out to be that. Instead weak team offense AND weak defense.
We’ve got just the two good offensive players and only JWill on D.
It’s actually surprising the team even has 7 conference wins.
In the past Pike has brought in solid defenders at the expense of offensive talent with just a few exceptions. This year to fit with Ace and Dylan the idea was to get more offense at the expense of defense (eg no big) but the additions didn’t turn out to be that. Instead weak team offense AND weak defense.
We’ve got just the two good offensive players and only JWill on D.
It’s actually surprising the team even has 7 conference wins.
NO!
Last year was as much of an outlier on offense as the defense is this year.
Pike is far from an offensive mind. I would advocate hiring someone that has more of an offensive focus.
Most of the issue is talent, but I think there is improvement that can be had from a coaching standpoint.
I have no idea what to expect year obviously. We probably are not going to have a shot blocking 5 and we aren't going to have a lot of returning players.
OFFENSE 80
DEFENSE 50
That is a 14-17 to 17-14 team.
We will see.
| Year | T-Rk | Coach | Conf | Rec. | AdjO | AdjD |
| 2025 | 67 | Steve Pikiell | B10 | 14-16 (7-12) | 116.9 | 105.1 |
| 37 | 133 | |||||
| 2024 | 105 | Steve Pikiell | B10 | 15-17 (7-13) | 98.3 | 92.1 |
| 300 | 5 | |||||
| 2023 | 39 | Steve Pikiell | B10 | 19-15 (10-10) | 105.4 | 91 |
| 151 | 8 | |||||
| 2022 | 75 | Steve Pikiell | B10 | 18-14 (12-8) | 106.6 | 96.3 |
| 11 seed, R68 | 92 | 64 | ||||
| 2021 | 42 | Steve Pikiell | B10 | 16-12 (10-10) | 106.7 | 92.1 |
| 10 seed, R32 | 94 | 20 | ||||
| 2020 | 30 | Steve Pikiell | B10 | 20-11 (11-9) | 107.5 | 91 |
| 9 seed (Proj.) | 76 | 8 | ||||
| 2019 | 77 | Steve Pikiell | B10 | 14-17 (7-13) | 105.7 | 97.3 |
| 151 | 50 | |||||
| 2018 | 127 | Steve Pikiell | B10 | 15-19 (3-15) | 98.5 | 95.4 |
| 283 | 22 | |||||
| 2017 | 132 | Steve Pikiell | B10 | 15-18 (3-15) | 101.7 | 99.2 |
| 224 | 72 |
Agreed. No Princeton. No Prudential/Trenton neutral games. I want Sacred Heart at the RAC 7 times.
Why is that a bad thing. This team was a blast to watch for like 5 years with excellent defense and effort, and poor offense. Made for tight games. I'll take that and a bubble team every year. This is RU, it ain't getting much better than that except in rare special seasons.
I do not want to play any mid-majors at a venue outside of the RAC. I’m fine with playing anyone willing to come to our place there. We don’t need to schedule the very worst mid-majors in D1.
If it isn’t charity then he should be gone. He has 2 nba players that he planned his team around for 18 months.
He will finish with a losing record and get lucky to make the BTT.
Failure of epic proportions. Not charity means he has to go.
I'll deal with the consquences if we appear mid February in the 1st bactalogy about our crap OOC SOS. I just want to be in the discussion....if it means having to beat a NW and Minny on the roady in late Feb/early March so be it.
Playing in LV is a must for obvuous reasons.
Excluding the first two seasons with 3-15 league records Pikiell has a 63-73 record .This will satisfy some fans who are more accepting based on Rutgers financial problems.Other fans like myself don't want the program to be limited to mediocre results like waiting 3-5 years for a NCAA bid and then losing in the first round.Its all about expectations .This season there were high expectations because of Bailey and Harper.It turned out to be wishful thinking because the defense regressed and the offense sputtered because it was iso based rather than having player/ball movement.
So then your expectation is that we pay $4-5mm to poach a successful power conference coach, correct?
Ok, that would be great.
What do you think our strategy should be if we're not willing to do that, as I suspect we are not?
Floux not directed at you but more broadly!
Why Not?
Can we stop with this woe as me Rutgers bull shit! To the all the long term fans 25 plus years, thank you! I know the PTSD is strong in you. You are the best of the best sticking with this program for this long.
Now STOP!!!!
We NOW are in the Big Ten
We NOW have FULL share on Big ten rev.••
We NOW have brand new facilities
We NOW 1 of best home court advantages
We NOW have 5+ mil NIL(related) on court
We NOW PAY Coaches tops in the country
We NOW PAY our assistants top 5
We NOW and always have a great academic environment
STOP with the excuses and justifications.
We have the conference, rev share, facilities, academics, home court, pay our coaches and assistant TOPs in the country. We just have the wrong leader.
and with 1 to go this is his last 10 conf. pre-tourney game record 7 years also excluding the first 2 seasons. Hoping it will be another 4-6 this year but that's only 12-18 last 3. 40%. If not we're talking 36.6%.
| Last 10 Conf. | ||
| Year | W | L |
| 24-25 | 3 | 6 |
| 23-24 | 4 | 6 |
| 22-23 | 4 | 6 |
| 21-22 | 6 | 4 |
| 20-21 | 6 | 4 |
| 19-20 | 4 | 6 |
| 18-19 | 3 | 7 |
| 30 | 39 | |
43.5% | ||
| Last 3 Yrs | 11 | 18 |
37.9% |
What am I missing? Rutgers wants to poach a successful Power 5 coach? IF Rutgers wants to spend $4-$5M, aren’t most successful P5 coaches making $3-$4M? And if you’re talking about the “hot” and successful P5 coach, isn’t that coach going to have other offers? Why Rutgers? Sure, Rutgers has something to offer the hot/successful high-major coach, so if you want to start over with a new guy, have at it.
Btw, the APC is nice but nothing unique by P5 standards, and the RAC is a dump.
Unigue no but still top notch!
RAC a dump sure but when the team shows effort one of the best gyms in the country. (Cameron is a dump doesn’t bother Duke). If we had a true winning coach the RAC would be an espn 30 for 30. From Jimmy V and Dickey V to insert coach here.
