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OT: NJ is Second in Nation in Quality of Life

Not sure how this thread got here, but I guess it was somewhat predictable. I am entering my 21st year as a teacher. I absolutely love teaching and will do 11 more years and then quit as soon as I can. I would not advise anyone to go into the profession out of college for a million reasons. The biggest one just might be the absolute lack of respect for teacher displayed right here in this thread. From parents to government officials to administrators to students, it's hard to go to work every day knowing a lot of people think you suck.
I think it is only one or two of the usual people showing lack of respect. Maybe we were the exception, but we told our kids at the start of every school year--the teacher is in charge- if we get any calls or reports about bad behavior or causing problems, you will be punished. The teachers have a hard enough job, respect them and do what you can to make their job enjoyable and a bit easier.
 
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Not sure how this thread got here, but I guess it was somewhat predictable. I am entering my 21st year as a teacher. I absolutely love teaching and will do 11 more years and then quit as soon as I can. I would not advise anyone to go into the profession out of college for a million reasons. The biggest one just might be the absolute lack of respect for teacher displayed right here in this thread. From parents to government officials to administrators to students, it's hard to go to work every day knowing a lot of people think you suck.
The ironies being that 1. Lots of the people saying that are hardly rousing successes in life and don't do jobs that have a real impact on the world--and have never taught, so have no idea what it's like 2. All of the people that others worship as geniuses, like Elon Musk, had teachers that helped get them where they are.
 
It goes to what I posted earlier in the thread. There's a perception problem in the US about education. It's growing worse as certain special interest groups and lots of newer politicians do everything they can to devalue education, devalue knowledge and facts, and devalue science and reasoning.

To me, this is a national security issue at this point. The entire nation is reeling from misinformation and disinformation and feel unable to determine verifiable, useful, information. There's been no better time in our nation's history when the quality of early education through HS education has been more crucial to our future.

And, pretty obviously, teachers are a huge component in that.
It must be harder than ever to teach a subject like history because the internet has flooded the world with the most unbelievably stupid lies/memes about previously well-known historical facts--like the idiocy that Hitler was a socialist and that Fascism is a left-wing ideology or Black Friday was started as a day to sell slaves, two of my favorite pieces of moronic garbage. You're fighting a tidal wave.
 
I think it is only one or two of the usual people showing lack of respect. Maybe we were the exception, but we told our kids at the start of every school year--the teacher is in charge- if we get any calls or reports about bad behavior or causing problems, you will be punished. The teachers have a hard enough job, respect them and do what you can to make their job enjoyable and a bit easier.
I believe there are more than one or two and over the years in this board teachers are shown a lot of disrespect over how some view the teaching profession.
I feel in some cases it's just lkooking for someone to look down upon because the complainer doesn't feel satisfied where he/she is at job wise. .
Other cases it's just the usual I'm better than you crowd that feels everyone else isn't as good as them , so a put down is deserved.
 
It must be harder than ever to teach a subject like history because the internet has flooded the world with the most unbelievably stupid lies/memes about previously well-known historical facts--like the idiocy that Hitler was a socialist and that Fascism is a left-wing ideology or Black Friday was started as a day to sell slaves, two of my favorite pieces of moronic garbage. You're fighting a tidal wave.
I have never seen that stuff.
Put down the internet, and enjoy life?
 
I'll tell you one reason for it. Everyone went to school, so they feel qualified to comment on teaching. I wish more people understood that the student experience is not at all an indicator of what teaching really is. In fact, if you got through school and believe teaching is easy, that only tells me that you had some really good teachers.
 
I have never seen that stuff.
Put down the internet, and enjoy life?
Someone on a thread on this site just a day or two ago parroted the idiocy about Hitler. Also, you're on the internet telling me to put down the internet and enjoy life...
 
As this thread has proven (again), the people who suck are the ones who rag on teachers, not the teachers themselves.
This thread is downright calm and civil compared to the ones we had in here a dozen or so years ago.

It's because the d-bags with the biggest mouths have fully recovered and strode well beyond the economy that had caught up to them in the great recession even though they'll still cry poormouth. Most people in education are still bringing home the same take home pay they were in 2010. If the crybabies were still feeling even the slightest pinch this thread would have devolved into madness by the end of page 1.
 
This thread is downright calm and civil compared to the ones we had in here a dozen or so years ago.

It's because the d-bags with the biggest mouths have fully recovered and strode well beyond the economy that had caught up to them in the great recession even though they'll still cry poormouth. Most people in education are still bringing home the same take home pay they were in 2010. If the crybabies were still feeling even the slightest pinch this thread would have devolved into madness by the end of page 1.
Another good point. And a coworker told me today that there's a bill in the legislature to increase teachers' contributions again? It was the first I'd heard of it, so im not sure. Some teachers nay never get back to pre-Christie take home levels.
 
I believe there are more than one or two and over the years in this board teachers are shown a lot of disrespect over how some view the teaching profession.
I feel in some cases it's just lkooking for someone to look down upon because the complainer doesn't feel satisfied where he/she is at job wise. .
Other cases it's just the usual I'm better than you crowd that feels everyone else isn't as good as them , so a put down is deserved.
On the CE board, 98% felt that public education was doing a terrible job. T2K, Caliknight, and other also felt private schools were the only way to go and no public School was adequate no matter what town.
 
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It must be harder than ever to teach a subject like history because the internet has flooded the world with the most unbelievably stupid lies/memes about previously well-known historical facts--like the idiocy that Hitler was a socialist and that Fascism is a left-wing ideology or Black Friday was started as a day to sell slaves, two of my favorite pieces of moronic garbage. You're fighting a tidal wave.
You're right that it's a tough fight. But it's one worth fighting because ultimately, if our nation continues to allow misinformation/disinformation (much of it originating overseas via social media and bots and so forth), then we're all going to suffer.

I will say this, however. I very carefully avoided any kind of partisan lean in my prior post about it. Because this is not a right/left thing, although partisans on both sides will surely think otherwise. Our polarized political environment just makes it all that much easier to feed both sides information they will readily believe without rigorous verification. It's a vicious cycle.
 
On the CE board, 98% felt that public education was doing a terrible job. T2K, Caliknight, and other also felt private schools were the only way to go and no public School was adequate no matter what town.
IMO, the sole advantage of private schools is that the kids are surrounded by other kids who grow up in an environment that continually tells them they can do whatever they want or achieve whatever they want. Which in turn primes them to become C-suite employees or business owner/entrepreneurs, etc. The environment develops self-confidence and high expectations.

Whereas our public school system was mostly developed to produce compliant citizens first, and educate second. There is less institutional, constant, emphasis on the "fact" that each student is not only fully capable of becoming the next Bill Gates (or whomever), but expected to do so.

Obviously, some public school districts in very wealthy areas essentially work the same way private schools do. And there are always some public school teachers who will work hard to set high expectations and give their students self-confidence to meet those expectations.

Many public school students either get enough of that positive environment at home, or else are exceptional students and figure it out for themselves. But private schools tend to emphasize it a lot more, just by virtue of the ubiquity of the mindset among all families of the schools.
 
I have never seen that stuff.
Put down the internet, and enjoy life?
I have seen it on the CE board. Let's face it, there's a fair amount of truly ignorant nonsense flowing there. It doesn't dominate, but it's there and it's irritating because it's hard to work around it respectfully.
 
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You're right that it's a tough fight. But it's one worth fighting because ultimately, if our nation continues to allow misinformation/disinformation (much of it originating overseas via social media and bots and so forth), then we're all going to suffer.

I will say this, however. I very carefully avoided any kind of partisan lean in my prior post about it. Because this is not a right/left thing, although partisans on both sides will surely think otherwise. Our polarized political environment just makes it all that much easier to feed both sides information they will readily believe without rigorous verification. It's a vicious cycle.
Too many people on both left and right are living in echo chambers and seeking out information that backs up their preconceived and often wrong misconceptions. Hitler/nazism/fascism exemplifies this: I've studied that era my entire life, my grandfather was a social Democrat in the early 30s and had to flee Germany, I have relatives there, I've watched videos of Hitler's campaign speeches and read Mussolini's writings, I've even talked about the subject in German language classes. And what I hear from both sides on the subject is almost entirely wrong, usually absurdly wrong. Except for my brother, who has a degree in history, I've never met anyone in my life who seems to really know much about the subject. Yet when I tell actual facts to people who most certainly have not studied the subject and know they haven't studied it beyond reading a meme or some crappy website not only do they dig in their heels they usually end up insulting me. They want to believe what they want to believe.
 
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Whereas our public school system was mostly developed to produce compliant citizens first, and educate second. There is less institutional, constant, emphasis on the "fact" that each student is not only fully capable of becoming the next Bill Gates (or whomever), but expected to do so.
The public education system was started in order to further democracy by giving everyone at least a minimal education and by bringing children of all backgrounds together. It has, of course, been twisted at times, such as with segregation, but it had succeeded well enough.
 
I welcome everyone to join the elite status. Work hard, follow the steps for success in America.....most people can do it.
a truly informative piece of advice.
Just make sure to enjoy your sucess without looking down on those who chose to serve the public and are trying to make an honost dollar without being a member of the working poor.
 
Too many people on both left and right are living in echo chambers and seeking out information that backs up their preconceived and often wrong misconceptions. Hitler/nazism/fascism exemplifies this: I've studied that era my entire life, my grandfather was a social Democrat in the early 30s and had to flee Germany, I have relatives there, I've watched videos of Hitler's campaign speeches and read Mussolini's writings, I've even talked about the subject in German language classes. And what I hear from both sides on the subject is almost entirely wrong, usually absurdly wrong. Except for my brother, who has a degree in history, I've never met anyone in my life who seems to really know much about the subject. Yet when I tell actual facts to people who most certainly have not studied the subject and know they haven't studied it beyond reading a meme or some crappy website not only do they dig in their heels they usually end up insulting me. They want to believe what they want to believe.
I have always been interested in this topic but wasn't there propaganda from many countries from early 30's on. Maybe that's why there is a lot of miss info now?
 
Going back to the original post --

Yes we have a lot of great things here. Biggest drawback is the taxes and if I'll want to pay high property taxes (mostly funding the local public schools) when I'm retired. Otherwise I generally wouldn't want to leave.

Living in Bergen County, I'd love to live somewhere with more than 5 feet between me and my neighbor, but when I know I don't have to commute, that's a possibility (without leaving the state).

We've got a little or a lot of everything, depending on your outlook. I'm probably a lifer and will complain on a quarterly basis when I pay the property taxes.
 
I welcome everyone to join the elite status. Work hard, follow the steps for success in America.....most people can do it.

It takes much more than hard work. Success is much more a function of the work your parents and others put in combined with solid life choices and luck. Further - there are many "if factors" that you had no control over that need to be overcome which most in this country have neither the access nor the ability to overcome.

For instance.....

....if your parents housed you, took care of you and provided you and paid for a proper education.
....if you were born of at least average intelligence and healthy and were not afflicted with significant health crisis nor tragedy
....if your weren't subject to significantly adverse and negative influences at a very young age

There are many others. To deny that there is significant "luck of the draw" factors that boost people to higher levels of success is just folly. This does not mean that those with dis-advantage can't rise to overcome .......but the odds are significantly against them.

ps.......when you say "work hard" does that include the 20 years you've been spending trolling these boards instead of working hard on your craft? Perhaps you are mistaking hard work with achieving a level of comfort which allows you to avoid hard work.....and that level of comfort was achievable off the backs of others.
 
It takes much more than hard work. Success is much more a function of the work your parents and others put in combined with solid life choices and luck. Further - there are many "if factors" that you had no control over that need to be overcome which most in this country have neither the access nor the ability to overcome.

For instance.....

....if your parents housed you, took care of you and provided you and paid for a proper education.
....if you were born of at least average intelligence and healthy and were not afflicted with significant health crisis nor tragedy
....if your weren't subject to significantly adverse and negative influences at a very young age

There are many others. To deny that there is significant "luck of the draw" factors that boost people to higher levels of success is just folly. This does not mean that those with dis-advantage can't rise to overcome .......but the odds are significantly against them.

ps.......when you say "work hard" does that include the 20 years you've been spending trolling these boards instead of working hard on your craft? Perhaps you are mistaking hard work with achieving a level of comfort which allows you to avoid hard work.....and that level of comfort was achievable off the backs of others.
No "luck of the draw". That's a loser mentality. I have said for years, success in America is built on the family. Every generation working to give the next a better set-up for life. It was not luck that my great-grandparents worked hard to give my grandparents something a little better. It was not luck that my grandparents worked hard to give my parents something a little better. It was not luck that my parents worked hard to give my sister and I something a little better. And it definitely isn't luck that my wife and are working hard to give our daughter something a little better.

Everyone can move the ball forward for the next generation. Don't be a victim that the left wants to create. Success is available for everyone.
 
I have always been interested in this topic but wasn't there propaganda from many countries from early 30's on. Maybe that's why there is a lot of miss info now?
There's misinformation partly because people want to attach Hitler to their political opponents beliefs in order to slander them as much as possible--as when those on the right claim Nazism was a left-wing movement, and when those on the left claim Hitler was a rabid Christian, both wrong, or when some Christians claim Hitler was a godless atheist who persecuted Christians, also false with the exception of some Cathic priests but it was because they wouldn't take a loyalty oath to him. There's also misinformation because most people really know nothing about the subject and it is seldom taught in the US. Also, people on the right are still being taken in by Hitler's propaganda/lies: he had a multi-point economic plan that looks pretty leftist but he never implemented any of it. It was all lies to rope in voters. Hitler's public utterances were the most dishonest of any politician to ever walk the planet--he lied out of his a**--which is why using his speeches as evidence of what he thought is mostly wrong and shows a person who hasn't studied the subject. The name National Socialists also hoodwinks them: NATIONAL socialism was Hitler's response to actual socialism. It was an ism devoted to the nation (aka rabid nationalism) as opposed to individuals or classes, like socialism.
 
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