OT: Rutgers ice hockey

[mikershoein]

I don't like PSU, neither does my 7 year old. He wants to play defense for Rutgers ice Knights starting in 2027. Please review petition, I know with the 52 d1 scholarships offered to NJ ice hockey athletes last year, RU could keep some home. With a new AD, what better time than now to push the issue.
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[RUNVA]

You got mine. Hope this happens.

 

[czxqa]

Mine too, I'm in.

 

[lighty]

just signed... good luck

 

[Caliknight]

Oh God.

 

[Leonard23]

I don't like PSU, neither does my 7 year old. He wants to play defense for Rutgers ice Knights starting in 2027. Please review petition, I know with the 52 d1 scholarships offered to NJ ice hockey athletes last year, RU could keep some home. With a new AD, what better time than now to push the issue.
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No. We don't fully or adequately fund our current sports & are non competitive in most yet you want to add to the drain by adding hockey? Maybe in 20 yrs we can consider it. Fully fund & compete in the current sports.

 

[Caliknight]

Leonard hit the nail on the head. It's a non starter for the foreseeable future.

 

[mikershoein]

Leonard hit the nail on the head. It's a non starter for the foreseeable future.

Only takes one donation, I will continue to dream

 

[mikershoein]

No. We don't fully or adequately fund our current sports & are non competitive in most yet you want to add to the drain by adding hockey? Maybe in 20 yrs we can consider it. Fully fund & compete in the current sports.

So you won't sign the petition?

 

[knights1212]

We have enough sports now and cannot even fund the ones we have. Hockey would mean another arena and a lot of dollars for equipment, scholarships and uniforms etc. If we had extra dollars we should bring back the sports we eliminated. I don't get the big push for hockey. I cannot imagine many people coming to watch hockey.

 

[Caliknight]

Mike- it took a Penn St. donation of $100MM to start their hockey team. In nowhere Pennsyltucky. Those costs would surely rise doing so in New Brunswick, because we would have to build an arena and fully fund the team to even dream of being competitive. If you can find someone with that scratch to do it, good for you.

Until that time, f that petition. We are vastly underfunded across the board as it is. Adding another sport where we are fighting with both hands tied behind our backs only to get our asses kicked half the time sounds horrible.

 

[mikershoein]

We have enough sports now and cannot even fund the ones we have. Hockey would mean another arena and a lot of dollars for equipment, scholarships and uniforms etc. If we had extra dollars we should bring back the sports we eliminated. I don't get the big push for hockey. I cannot imagine many people coming to watch hockey.

A new arena would be great, but not necessary. Local rink in somerset, along with big 10 games at prudential would support in early years. So can I count on you to sign the petition ?

 

[mikershoein]

Mike- it took a Penn St. donation of $100MM to start their hockey team. In nowhere Pennsyltucky. Those costs would surely rise doing so in New Brunswick, because we would have to build an arena and fully fund the team to even dream of being competitive. If you can find someone with that scratch to do it, good for you.

Until that time, f that petition. We are vastly underfunded across the board as it is. Adding another sport where we are fighting with both hands tied behind our backs only to get our asses kicked half the time sounds horrible.

I respect your position, and I will continue to play the lottery to be able get the cash to fund the rink

 

[superfan01]

Let's get this done.

 

[Caliknight]

A new arena would be great, but not necessary. Local rink in somerset, along with big 10 games at prudential would support in early years. So can I count on you to sign the petition ?

Nope. To be successful you need what other teams have and more. Which teams who we would compete with don't have an on campus ice dedicated to them, so that they aren't sharing ice with girls figure skaters?

 

[mikershoein]

Nope. To be successful you need what other teams have and more. Which teams who we would compete with don't have an on campus ice dedicated to them, so that they aren't sharing ice with girls figure skaters?

Cali, I get it, you're against it. Not every d1 team has a rink on campus, this I know for a fact...

 

[robcac26]

Obviously if this were to happen anytime soon, the money would be raised by people donating specifically for the purpose of starting a hockey team, and the majority of them aren't making any donations to the Rutgers athletic department otherwise so I don't understand why some people are so against it. The athletic department knows it can't afford it right now, but if people who want to see this happen can raise the funds on their own, then why not? I know some of the people who started this petition, and they are fully aware that they need to raise the money on their own.

 

[theRU]

i'm all for it but we're hurting for cash....

I'd cancel other sports and support hockey if it could generate money.

 

[graystork]

I'd love to see this happen. The Big Ten would love to have another hockey team. But it won't without outside funding because none will be coming from Rutgers. Good luck, but you need a lot more than a petition. You need money and lots of it.

 

[Caliknight]

Cali, I get it, you're against it. Not every d1 team has a rink on campus, this I know for a fact...

I am against it because without the full and proper funding it is dumb and would create more losing, which the school doesn't need.

I looked it up. In our division alone; Maryland and Indiana don't field D1 sponsored teams. That leaves Penn St., Michigan, Michigan St., Wisconsin. Every single one of those schools has an on campus hockey arena.

That puts us in last place just in our division. I can't imagine these are the only schools with hockey rinks.

Without $100MM, this is an absurd conversation.

 

[mikershoein]

I am against it because without the full and proper funding it is dumb and would create more losing, which the school doesn't need.

I looked it up. In our division alone; Maryland and Indiana don't field D1 sponsored teams. That leaves Penn St., Michigan, Michigan St., Wisconsin. Every single one of those schools has an on campus hockey arena.

That puts us in last place just in our division. I can't imagine these are the only schools with hockey rinks.

Without $100MM, this is an absurd conversation.

Conferences and

I am against it because without the full and proper funding it is dumb and would create more losing, which the school doesn't need.

I looked it up. In our division alone; Maryland and Indiana don't field D1 sponsored teams. That leaves Penn St., Michigan, Michigan St., Wisconsin. Every single one of those schools has an on campus hockey arena.

That puts us in last place just in our division. I can't imagine these are the only schools with hockey rinks.

Without $100MM, this is an absurd conversation.

cali, "absurd" is your opinion. NCAA hockey is nothing like the structure of baca football. More than 70 % of the freshmen are over 20, because they come from ushl if they are not ready for ncaa. Competition would be the easiest thing to attract. The teams you play aren't just big ten, all of those teams are big ten members, and play in other conferences. I don't think any other big ten school you mentioned above, is something a school cannot aspire to, and it may take a while. Not that I expect you to research , but if you care to, review the recruiting page. Based on your prior comments, is it safe to assume we can get your signature on the petition ?

http://www.rutgershockey.com/reputation

 

[Caliknight]

I will never sign that. It is meaningless. And, no, those Big 10 teams don't play in other conferences. They play in the Big 10 hockey conference. If you are going to portray yourself as having more knowledge than others, than you should actually have that knowledge.

Get $100MM, then I will sign it.

 

[Caliknight]

To further educate, Ohio St. and Minnesota complete the B1G Hockey League. Both of those schools also have on campus arenas.

So we would be the only school, as usual, with subpar facilities if field a team without proper funding. P A S S.

 

[mikershoein]

PASS- what are you 15?

Big ten started in 2014 for a hockey conference, and has only 6 teams for hockey. It's required to have 6 teams to have a conference. Every other conference has 12-18 teams, so yes it's a conference , but barely. All those teams came from others, and the big ten teams just started The AAC has more tradition in football the Big Ten hockey. I know who does and doesn't have arenas, and never said big ten teams didn't have them. Having an arena Isn't the qualifier, but it helps. Hell, the RAC could be converted and they can get a new basketball arena built. Since your so hell bent on saying no, 20 people signed up today. Since your such a pessimist, I'm sure you laugh at that number.

 

[Caliknight]

The B1G has a hockey conference and it is an NCAA recognized conference. You said B1G teams play in other conferences. Just admit you don't knw what you are talking about and move on.

 

[Caliknight]

Conferences and

cali, "absurd" is your opinion. NCAA hockey is nothing like the structure of baca football. More than 70 % of the freshmen are over 20, because they come from ushl if they are not ready for ncaa. Competition would be the easiest thing to attract. The teams you play aren't just big ten, all of those teams are big ten members, and play in other conferences. I don't think any other big ten school you mentioned above, is something a school cannot aspire to, and it may take a while. Not that I expect you to research , but if you care to, review the recruiting page. Based on your prior comments, is it safe to assume we can get your signature on the petition ?

http://www.rutgershockey.com/reputation

Bolded it for you so it doesn't get lost.

 

[_dave_]

Perhaps we could just build a rink on top of a parking garage?

 

[jmg75]

We have discussed this as nauseum a number of times before and there really doesn't appear to be anything new on either side of the argument. But given that, I like the idea of tilting at windmills. It's just a big dream at this point, but go ahead and chase it if you wish. This world is full of people who have chased and caught dreams that seemed crazier than this. Is it practical? Most likely not. But so what.

 

[RUwoz]

Guess he better start liking Penn State... Or you know, go to one of the other hundred D1 hockey teams that isn't Rutgers

 

[Section124]

Thanks to this post I was happy to Google and see we are still competing in the non-NCAA (club team) league. My brother played for Cook and Rutgers back in the mid-70's. I used to go to most of the games. I really enjoyed it growing up. My daughter goes to Quinnipiac and their men's and women's hockey teams are both Top 4 in the country. Their arena is on campus. It's a shared facility with a 3500 basketball arena on one side and the ice rink (holding 3500) on the other side. Depending on fire rules, they could probably have games at the same time. The hockey rink is the High Point Solutions Arena (so that's my link back to Rutgers). They don't have a football team so hockey is their big sport.

 

[touchyfeely]

I've always thought petitions were a waste of time. Online petitions are even more useless. Signing your name to something means nothing 10 seconds of your time - donating $1,000 earmarked for any theoretical hockey team is worth infinitely more than 1,000 signatures. In addition, if by some miracle the AD addresses the petition, he's going to say, "If we got the donations I'd consider hockey, but we would need a women's team too." If it is going to take $100 million to fund two hockey teams, I'd prefer asking that donor to spend that $100 million on building a new basketball arena.

 

[lighty]

We have enough sports now and cannot even fund the ones we have. Hockey would mean another arena and a lot of dollars for equipment, scholarships and uniforms etc. If we had extra dollars we should bring back the sports we eliminated. I don't get the big push for hockey. I cannot imagine many people coming to watch hockey.

Hockey would probably be the third most popular sport behind football and basketball imo. Attendance would be there.

 

[mikershoein]

The B1G has a hockey conference and it is an NCAA recognized conference. You said B1G teams play in other conferences. Just admit you don't knw what you are talking about and move on.

The B1G has a hockey conference and it is an NCAA recognized conference. You said B1G teams play in other conferences. Just admit you don't knw what you are talking about and move on.

I can admit I think your a tool, and based on the venom you spew you probably hate the world. Most people comment In agreement or disagreement, and move along. You need some therapy Cali

 

[NotInRHouse]

I would not mind cancelling some of the sports we haven't been successful in in decades and replacing them with hockey. Hockey is a serious opportunity to generate money and name recognition.

Also, there are plenty of hockey schools much closer to home than TTFP- I believe Princeton and Qunnipiac have teams. And less culty to boot.

 

[Caliknight]

I can admit I think your a tool, and based on the venom you spew you probably hate the world. Most people comment In agreement or disagreement, and move along. You need some therapy Cali

I'm a tool because I call you out on your nonsense? There is no venom at dude. I am a lover, don't worry. It's just idiotic without funding. I would love to see someone drop $100MM for a program. If you want my advice, forget the petition. It means nothing. Focus on fundraising. That will actually attract the right attention.

 

[rubaseball78]

If we are going to add a men's team, men's swimming should be it. Already have a good facility with s coaching staff in place. I never understood where all the savings came from for cutting men's swimming. We still had a facility to maintain and a coaching staff to support the women's team. What did we avoid paying, some travel costs?

 

[RUinBoston]

I love hockey but it would be super expensive and getting good players to come to RU will be a challenge. Hockey in NJ is growing but still pretty backwater compared to New England. Plus you can't just add a men's team, I assume you would need to add a women's team also. And you definitely need a rink...I mean you have to practice every day, no? Renting a rink isn't a good option. In short, hockey is something you do after the athletic dept. starts generating a surplus, not while we're struggling for cash.

 

[robcac26]

I've always thought petitions were a waste of time. Online petitions are even more useless. Signing your name to something means nothing 10 seconds of your time - donating $1,000 earmarked for any theoretical hockey team is worth infinitely more than 1,000 signatures. In addition, if by some miracle the AD addresses the petition, he's going to say, "If we got the donations I'd consider hockey, but we would need a women's team too." If it is going to take $100 million to fund two hockey teams, I'd prefer asking that donor to spend that $100 million on building a new basketball arena.

It is very unlikely that people willing to donate towards a hockey team would instead be interested in donating towards basketball. The money would come from local hockey people, not just Rutgers people.

I'm a tool because I call you out on your nonsense? There is no venom at dude. I am a lover, don't worry. It's just idiotic without funding. I would love to see someone drop $100MM for a program. If you want my advice, forget the petition. It means nothing. Focus on fundraising. That will actually attract the right attention.

The people behind the petition have been working on raising funds. I'm sure you will ignore this post just like you ignore every single post in which I try to explain that they are working to raise funds and that this petition isn't the be all, end all of their efforts, but I guess I'll keep saying it anyway. They know it's a longshot, they know it will take millions, and they know they need to raise it on their own. The purpose of the petition is to demonstrate that there is enough interest. Without that, why would the potential donors be willing to donate towards it?

 

[Leonard23]

Hockey would probably be the third most popular sport behind football and basketball imo. Attendance would be there.

What's our home attendance now for club hockey? What would you guesstimate our home attendance would average per game in an on campus & off campus arena? All home games at the Rock or some at Protec? What does Protec seat 500? ASU plays most home games at Oceanside, which sat 500 & expanded to 840, & some at Gila River Arena. I'm not sure that hockey attendance would eclipse wrestling which had 2,697/match last year.

If we are going to add a men's team, men's swimming should be it. Already have a good facility with s coaching staff in place. I never understood where all the savings came from for cutting men's swimming. We still had a facility to maintain and a coaching staff to support the women's team. What did we avoid paying, some travel costs?

Title IX & schollies.

 

[touchyfeely]

This is a couple years old but if you go here (sorry it's a pdf) http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/2012RevExp.pdf and jump to page 36 you'll see that hockey is a net loser. Basically, baseball is the only one that loses more money on the men's side. It'll be extraordinarily difficult to be revenue neutral, and again, you'd have to add a women's team also.

If Rutgers somehow manages to build a new ~8,000 arena, you could play hockey there too. You'd still need a separate practice facility for both sports, but OSU's arena is used for both hockey and basketball.