OT: Should cursive still be taught in schools

[FanuSanu52]

you're better than this. I brought it up as a ridiculous analogy.

The heat getting to you?

It's a beautiful low 60s, dry, sunny, so none of that dreadful early season Jersey heat and humidity clouding me up.

I realize it was a ridiculous analogy ... but don't see how it served your greater argument. Cursive isn't something anyone here uses on a daily basis for work, the way reading, speaking and other comm skills are, and it isn't making a comeback. A few might use it for regular non-work life, but it just isn't necessary for communication. and it is an outdated skill more akin to using a fountain pen (for learning handwriting : - [or apparently comma vs period usage] : )

We'd be having this conversation even if the ed system wasn't leaning hard toward STEM, and I don't believe it's solely a symptom of that. Useless education is useless. I recall "handwriting" class just like RUChoppin - moving through the alphabet with lowercase and capitals, then words, then sentences. It wasn't just a couple weeks of second grade; it was a class that went on the entire year, and into other years, iirc. Now, I see it as a grand waste of time. And as I said, I'm actually in a position where I could theoretically use it on a daily basis. Still useless. A few, mostly older folks, here do use it for regular non-work purposes, but I haven't seen anyone make a case that it's actually necessary or life-altering.

I stick with my original idea: make it an elective. If it only takes 20 hours, those parents that believe it enriches education can do it via a take-home summer packet. And the much greater number of parents that believe it's a waste of time can spend that 20 hours doing something that will make their children like them :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

 

[FanuSanu52]

Quite honestly, you are the one failing to imagine here.

In a digital future, there still needs to be a mechanism to convert your thoughts to a digital medium. Maybe one day computers will be able to read your thoughts, eliminating the need for another interface. But that seems somewhat unlikely to happen before today's schoolkids become adults. So there is still a need for some sort of interface.

Right now, the keyboard and mouse are the most common interfaces, with the mouse being replaced by touch screens. And sometimes the physical keyboard is replaced by the digital keyboard on a touch screen.

The other common interface is voice recognition. But there are lots of instances where voice recognition is not appropriate, especially in areas where you don't want to make noise, you want to keep information confidential, or too many people using voice interfaces would be disruptive (like a classroom setting).

But right now, pretty much the only quiet interface is some sort of keyboard. And as good as keyboard are, they are somewhat cumbersome, space consuming, and require two hands to operate efficiently. A keyboard may be fine if you are typing a long paper or you're sitting down at a desk to do work. But for when you are on the go, or just need to make a quick note, it is far from ideal.

But imagine. What if there were some sort of interface that took up less room, that only required one hand, that you could use anywhere? That interface exists in handwriting. With improved handwriting recognition, you wouldn't need a keyboard. You could use the whole screen on your tablet or phone .... or better yet, maybe you could use your finger to write in the air.

If you want bigger fonts, just write bigger letters, If you want to draw a line or circle, just draw it. Handwriting gives you all sorts of flexibility that is not so easy with a keyboard.

Just imagine.

That's a wonderful argument for learning to read and write, not so much for cursive.

 

[T2Kplus10]

The argument that "my kids will be learning math and become the next Einstein" is about as ridiculous as it gets.

My son is learning it in 3rd grade, though it isn't a priority. They also learned Roman numerals. For a modest investment of 20-30 hours, they can learn something that they'll have for a lifetime and which requires zero additional investment of time or effort.

As someone who employs recent college graduates in technical areas of finance, economics, statistics and coding, I would caution all you STEM or bust guys as it relates to emphasizing STEM to the detriment of soft communicating skills or liberal arts. As we've overcompensated to hard skills, these kids simply cannot communicate at levels that are acceptable. They lack culture or any ability to make "small talk"--which will really put a damper on their ability to transition into leadership roles in our world of consulting. The last thing we should want to emulate are the systems of Asia which produce socially inept robots--regardless of their STEM genius.

Hudson is right. I am as much as a STEM supporter as anyone, but prioritizing STEM doesn't mean ignoring or cutting out other skills - writing, language, art, public speaking, drama, music, etc. We chose a school for our daughter with a strong STEM focus AND a heavy focus on leadership, communication, and creativity. You can have both.

 

[S_Janowski]

They should stop.

Otherwise we should also go back to teaching how to inscribe on stone like our relatives from thousands of years ago.

 

[T2Kplus10]

They should stop.

Otherwise we should also go back to teaching how to inscribe on stone like our relatives from thousands of years ago.

Should we also stop long hand division and multiplication? Everyone has calculators now, even on our phones.

 

[S_Janowski]

Should we also stop long hand division and multiplication? Everyone has calculators now, even on our phones.

Not at all. Long division and multiplication are useful skills which can be applied in the real world. They also lay the foundation for so many other skills and concepts in math and science.

Cursive doesn't have these benefits. I think the time spent learning cursive should be spent on more useful areas whether it be english, history, art, science or math.

 

[iReC89]

Should we also stop long hand division and multiplication? Everyone has calculators now, even on our phones.

bad news there...

 

[RU-05]

I went to forge my wife's signature on a document the other day and had to Google how to do it, because I haven't written anything in cursive other than my own signature in probably 25+ years!!

So get rid of cursive and implement forgery into the curriculum?

 

[RU-05]

We spent a ton of time on it. Each letter, uppercase and lowercase, was taught and written over and over again. A whole page of the capital "A", then a whole page of the capital "B", etc... then all the lowercase... then you had to practice connecting letters and learn special cases like how a lowercase "o" connects to other letters (like a lowercase "r" or "i"). Easily 50+ hours of instruction just spent on learning an alternate way to write letters.

r's, q's and k's are the worst. I don't even know for sure how an o connects with an r.

 

[Leonard23]

Why teach art? That is completely useless. How about French? Hardly anyone outside of France speaks French, why even offer it? Not going to help you professionally. History? Utter waste of time. To major in it is laughable. Social studies? Even more so. If the standard is STEM and what surrounds it, there is a lot to gut before you get to something learned in what amounts to probably 20 hours like cursive writing.

This, especially since the time spent teaching it is probably 20 minutes to 2 hrs & then independent practice for homework & the requirement that you write everything in cursive, none of which takes time away from pushing coding & algebra down to 1st graders. And I wouldn't gut any of that other stuff either. Btw, my kids learn cursive in 2nd or 3rd grade. Nonetheless, I print & don't use cursive.

 

[MADHAT1]

r's, q's and k's are the worst. I don't even know for sure how an o connects with an r.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Best of both worlds?

 

[RU-05]

I have 3 r's in my name, and always used the far right example, the r on the left looks way easier to right.

Thank you for changing my life.

 

[RU to the Core]

I just had my first son 3 months ago and reading a bunch of this thread is depressing. Especially the teacher who posted about the digital citizenship topics. Wow is all I have to say about that. Hopefully my son likes to learn outside of school. I'm not that old but I sound old when I say that our country is turning into a bunch of giant pu*****.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

I just had my first son 3 months ago and reading a bunch of this thread is depressing. Especially the teacher who posted about the digital citizenship topics. Wow is all I have to say about that. Hopefully my son likes to learn outside of school. I'm not that old but I sound old when I say that our country is turning into a bunch of giant pu*****.

Start saving up for private school.

 

[Upstream]

That's a wonderful argument for learning to read and write, not so much for cursive.

It wasn't meant to be an argument for cursive. It was a retort to WhiteDogCrap's vision that a digital future would have no need for handwriting.

 

[OntheBanks]

Absolute waste of time. People complain that our kids aren't learning all these important things and falling behind the rest of the world, and you want to waste even more time on cursive? I literally never use it. Signing your name? As if you use proper cursive to do that. My signature looks like a bird flew by with a pen in its beak.

My signature is properly written in cursive and very readable so that anyone who questions who wrote it can be assured it is me. Have you filled out signature cards at a bank?
Could you duplicate it if necessary? Just today I had to 'sign' my name on 3 legal documents.
That signature looks exactly the same as the one I entered on my automobile purchase, mortgage, income tax forms, and other financial documents.
From today on when I write on a piece of paper I will write in cursive. Let the recipient figure it out or find an interpreter.

 

[RUMBA-JK]

It is my impression that the company that makes the dreaded old "little blue book" is still cranking them out for college essay exams - (sure some are on computer)
- it would seem that a reasonably efficient cursive handwriting talent would be an advantage over feverishly trying to hand-print answers.
maybe someday there will be thought controlled text - just think it & the words appear on the screen.

 

[T2Kplus10]

Start saving up for private school.

Bingo!

 

[mildone]

I just had my first son 3 months ago and reading a bunch of this thread is depressing. Especially the teacher who posted about the digital citizenship topics. Wow is all I have to say about that. Hopefully my son likes to learn outside of school. I'm not that old but I sound old when I say that our country is turning into a bunch of giant pu*****.

Start saving up for private school.

Meh. Or skip traditional schooling altogether, and research and perfect the distribution of in-demand products and services. Hookers and blow springs to mind.

 

[bac2therac]

This has got to be the world's dumbest thread. I teach 7th grade Social Studies. Know what we were told the other day? We are to teach "Digital Citizenship." Yes, how not to get in trouble in chat rooms, how to never post a picture without giving someone else credit for it, and when it is and is not proper to use an alternate identity. Know where we're supposed to find the extra time to teach it? Well take some time from ancient Greece and Rome and maybe the Age of Exploration. I'm serious. Why learn about that Columbus guy when after all he was responsible for bringing smallpox to the Western Hemisphere and killing Native Americans.

Every day the actual history I get to teach is being gutted and replaced by "character education," "digital citizenship," and other crap that a remotely competent parent should be teaching their kids at home.

And you guys want to worry about cursive? Have at it. Your kids will have beautiful penmanship and not know where Philadelphia is. So much for education in Christie's New Jersey.

this is sad that they are forcing to teach skills that should be taught by parents and parents only...getting in trouble in chat rooms..that sounds sort of stalkerish creepy kind of stuff, is this some kind of class on how you handle social media? This is what we are teaching our kids today?

 

[RU848789]

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I have often said that the one class of typing I took in high school was the most valuable course for the future.....

sure, many out there have become pretty adept at typing with two fingers, but if you took the old time typing course, learning to use all ten fingers without looking at the keys is by far, much easier..... my occupation after high school required a lot of typing, so there ya go.

I'm with you on this one. I learned typing on a typewriter my junior year back in 1979, with the bonus that the class was 90% girls. Had no idea how helpful it would turn out to be, as I type way faster and more accurately than people who hunt and peck and I write/type quite a lot at work (and on thos board, lol) from a keyboard.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

I think we are seeing the results of changes to how we teach history and social studies, every day, in the arts. That is, movies, TV, etc.

No Better Example Than:

The 60s movie "The Manchurian Candidate" starred Frank Sinatra and Lawrence Harvey as two officers who were captured during the Korean War and brainwashed by commies to be sleeper agents here in the USA. Lawrence Harvey was programmed to assassinate the presidential candidate so his Veep candidate could take over and be a stooge for his commie agent wife (who had serious problems with attraction to her son). In the end Harvey's character, "Raymond Shaw" shoots his stepfather and his mother then shoots himself, thus ending this commie threat.

The Cold War was real. The threat was real (and may still be) even if the methods in this movie were fantastic.

Now the 2004 version staring Denzel Washington and Liev Schriber. The war was the Iraq War this time. The bad guys? Nope..not terrorists.. it is BIG BUSINESS.. DEFENSE CONTRACTORS. They use some kind of chips to implant to control these two. (Don't know why they had to go tot tech for this.. psychological programming is still just as valid). Now the plan is to put Liev Schriber as teh veep candidate and Denzel (who is in the role of Sinatra, Major Marco, discovering this brainwashing thing and suspecting Schriver's character Shaw).. Denzel ends up being the shooter. Which was a nice twist for us who knew the previous movie well. And like the previous movie, the Shaw character saves teh president by spinning his mother (the secret bad guy) into the path of the bullet that kills them both, thus ending the threat. And Denzel doe snot kill himself..instead he has a happy ending as the assisnation attempt is blamed on a Defense Contractor thug.


Bottom Line: when was the last tie yo saw a movie, play or TV that presented a purely positive image of America?

Everything I see presents us as the ultimate bad guys. We are always to blame. Businessmen, politicians, right-wingers, patriots of any kind.. we are the ultimate bad guys now... responsible for all the ill sin the world. You want nuance? Look for how terrorists are presented.. ultimately their crimes are spurred on by American policies and poor treatment by white guys.

I have no idea at what age this anti-American, anti-establishment indoctrination begins.. but I have been seeing the results for along time now.

 

[mildone]

I'm with you on this one. I learned typing on a typewriter my junior year back in 1979, with the bonus that the class was 90% girls. Had no idea how helpful it would turn out to be, as I type way faster and more accurately than people who hunt and peck and I write/type quite a lot at work (and on thos board, lol) from a keyboard.

Having so many girls in the class surely aided in your learning to type without looking down.

 

[SkilletHead2]

There are lots of things that have gone by the wayside since we were in school. In NZ, we don't teach long division by hand, nor division of fractions (nor cursive). I bemoan all of those, but let's take a step back and think about this. Our current curriculum came, I think, from the Scots. The word actually means to follow a course or to race one.

But why do we teach what we do and not what we don't? I learned to touch type in summer school between 8th and 9th grade. Best thing I ever did by far in terms of saving time. Massive return on about 20 hours of investment. Especially since writing is about 70% of my job.

But I never learned a foreign language decently. Why? Well, perhaps because I never worked hard enough at it, but also because it wasn't taught to me at a time when language learning would have been the most effective -- roughly between the ages of two and seven. If we really wanted to change the curriculum to something worthwhile, we'd seriously teach a second language to kids from kindergarten on (and in nursery school as well -- it is amazing how kids at that age can learn multiple languages). Why not do that?

Geography is a big topic in the elementary schools down here. I can't get too excited about that. Or, and this will raise some hackles, science. The best thing about science in the elementary school is that kids love it. But it is a totally scattershot approach and elementary teachers have more anxiety about teaching science than any other subject (even math).

It's fun to attack Common Core, but here's a secret: It looks pretty much the same as the curriculum your school was using before it came into existence. And all those horrible test items you see? Not actually from the tests. Those are kept secure. But I'm still glad to see PARCC go because it was an unruly monster. It'll be dead in a couple of years. What will replace it? Who knows? We may know more come November. Maybe it will be replaced by something that will be YUGE!

At the end of the day, for my kids and their kids, I'd like them to learn cursive. My son, who has two little ones of his own, thinks its a waste of time. Kids. Can't teach 'em anything.

 

[Riceonthebanks]

I think we are seeing the results of changes to how we teach history and social studies, every day, in the arts. That is, movies, TV, etc.

No Better Example Than:

The 60s movie "The Manchurian Candidate" starred Frank Sinatra and Lawrence Harvey as two officers who were captured during the Korean War and brainwashed by commies to be sleeper agents here in the USA. Lawrence Harvey was programmed to assassinate the presidential candidate so his Veep candidate could take over and be a stooge for his commie agent wife (who had serious problems with attraction to her son). In the end Harvey's character, "Raymond Shaw" shoots his stepfather and his mother then shoots himself, thus ending this commie threat.

The Cold War was real. The threat was real (and may still be) even if the methods in this movie were fantastic.

Now the 2004 version staring Denzel Washington and Liev Schriber. The war was the Iraq War this time. The bad guys? Nope..not terrorists.. it is BIG BUSINESS.. DEFENSE CONTRACTORS. They use some kind of chips to implant to control these two. (Don't know why they had to go tot tech for this.. psychological programming is still just as valid). Now the plan is to put Liev Schriber as teh veep candidate and Denzel (who is in the role of Sinatra, Major Marco, discovering this brainwashing thing and suspecting Schriver's character Shaw).. Denzel ends up being the shooter. Which was a nice twist for us who knew the previous movie well. And like the previous movie, the Shaw character saves teh president by spinning his mother (the secret bad guy) into the path of the bullet that kills them both, thus ending the threat. And Denzel doe snot kill himself..instead he has a happy ending as the assisnation attempt is blamed on a Defense Contractor thug.


Bottom Line: when was the last tie yo saw a movie, play or TV that presented a purely positive image of America?

Everything I see presents us as the ultimate bad guys. We are always to blame. Businessmen, politicians, right-wingers, patriots of any kind.. we are the ultimate bad guys now... responsible for all the ill sin the world. You want nuance? Look for how terrorists are presented.. ultimately their crimes are spurred on by American policies and poor treatment by white guys.

I have no idea at what age this anti-American, anti-establishment indoctrination begins.. but I have been seeing the results for along time now.

There are plenty of jingoistic movies. They make money and continue to be made.

 

[letterman]

Another example of the dumbing down of America. I understand there is also a movement afoot to eliminate algebra from common core. So sad. Is there any wonder why Asian and Indian kids are So succesful while our homegrown have fallen so far behind ?

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Ever read this or a similar story on PARCC? It is about the MONEY..

check it out

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

There are plenty of jingoistic movies. They make money and continue to be made.

Name one.

I would venture to guess that anyone you can name has content that questions America's role in whatever they are doing.

To further my point.. here is a story about why Marvel is going to make Captain America a bad guy.

 

[SkilletHead2]

PARCC and its competitor, Smarter Balance (how's that for a dumb name?) were developed initially in an effort to save money. Each state had its own statewide testing program. They all look remarkably similar. Since the wheel was being re-invented 50 times, the costs associated with their development were huge. So the states figured, "Hey, if we combine efforts, all the development costs (which are the majority of the costs) could be mitigated."

Enter Pearson. Pearson is the 500 ton gorilla in educational publishing, and in educational testing. They put together a massive consortium, and gave every special interest group everything they wanted. Which is why the test takes forever to administer. Now, it costs on the same order of magnitude for NJ to use PARCC as to develop their own tests, but since Pearson basically has to only do this once for all the states who use it, think of the profits! But, the backlash on PARCC has been huge, and given the amount Pearson has invested, if the states all pull out, Pearson could lose some bucks.

What would be reasonable? Well, I would recommend expanding NAEP a bit so that we could get could data on each state (and we might already be at that level). That provides a national picture of how we are doing that is linked horizontally, meaning we can compare one year to the next. And then, at the state level, I would make low stakes tests available to school districts that are statistically linked to the NAEP tests. If they were low stakes (not reported in the newspapers and used primarily to see how kids are doing and communicate to parents), you wouldn't have to keep them secure or develop new forms each year. Hence, low cost. NJ has a gazillion test items from past tests in the bank, and could easily develop such measures. Thus, you would have accountability at the state and national level based on statistical sampling (I used to co-direct such a project in New Zealand), and would have good formative assessment (assessment for improving learning and checking on how the district is doing) at the district level.

Are we going to see something like that? Probably not, but it isn't out of the question if the public screams enough for something like that. The problem is that you never see a rally with people screaming: "Middle ground! Middle ground!"

 

[Caliknight]

Bring back Latin in public schools!

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Bring back Latin in public schools!

3 years of Latin ;)

 

[FanuSanu52]

There are lots of things that have gone by the wayside since we were in school. In NZ, we don't teach long division by hand, nor division of fractions (nor cursive). I bemoan all of those, but let's take a step back and think about this. Our current curriculum came, I think, from the Scots. The word actually means to follow a course or to race one.

But why do we teach what we do and not what we don't? I learned to touch type in summer school between 8th and 9th grade. Best thing I ever did by far in terms of saving time. Massive return on about 20 hours of investment. Especially since writing is about 70% of my job.

But I never learned a foreign language decently. Why? Well, perhaps because I never worked hard enough at it, but also because it wasn't taught to me at a time when language learning would have been the most effective -- roughly between the ages of two and seven. If we really wanted to change the curriculum to something worthwhile, we'd seriously teach a second language to kids from kindergarten on (and in nursery school as well -- it is amazing how kids at that age can learn multiple languages). Why not do that?

Geography is a big topic in the elementary schools down here. I can't get too excited about that. Or, and this will raise some hackles, science. The best thing about science in the elementary school is that kids love it. But it is a totally scattershot approach and elementary teachers have more anxiety about teaching science than any other subject (even math).

It's fun to attack Common Core, but here's a secret: It looks pretty much the same as the curriculum your school was using before it came into existence. And all those horrible test items you see? Not actually from the tests. Those are kept secure. But I'm still glad to see PARCC go because it was an unruly monster. It'll be dead in a couple of years. What will replace it? Who knows? We may know more come November. Maybe it will be replaced by something that will be YUGE!

At the end of the day, for my kids and their kids, I'd like them to learn cursive. My son, who has two little ones of his own, thinks its a waste of time. Kids. Can't teach 'em anything.

Schools around my area have been offering that for a while now. I assumed it was universal across the States, but maybe not. It's a bilingual education program for young grade school children, with a choice of several languages. It's an optional-style program that I think you have to apply and be accepted to, and it's only available at select public schools, but it sounds like a great thing. They have options like Mandarin, Spanish, French and German, I believe.

My own high school German is very weak, and I could actually use German for work. Wish that had been a thing when I was in school.

 

[Caliknight]

3 years of Latin ;)

You are probably prone to picking up other languages easily because of it. Super useful to study Latin.

 

[T2Kplus10]

Bring back Latin in public schools!

Just another short sighted decision by the public schools, Latin is a wonderful language/skill to learn.

 

[Riceonthebanks]

Name one.

I would venture to guess that anyone you can name has content that questions America's role in whatever they are doing.

To further my point.. here is a story about why Marvel is going to make Captain America a bad guy.

Inglorious Bastards, Flags of Our Fathers, Saving Private Ryan

 

[bac2therac]

3 years of Latin ;)

I had two years..it was my favorite class with my favorite teacher...I felt that it helped me for sure overall with word meanings and understanding

do they not offer it anymore?

 

[retired711]

I think it's fair to say that Americans feel less comfortable about their history than they did when I went to school in the 1960s. In the 50s and early 60s, Americans felt heroic because of the nation's role in World War II -- and they were right. The Vietnam war changed that. Now we're not so sure we are always on the side of right in foreign affairs. And the civil rights movement (which brought the feminist and gay rights movements in its wake) has made Americans less comfortable with the nation's treatment of women and minorities. The economic troubles of the last couple of decades have also made Americans feel less comfortable about how the country works. This has influenced a lot of history teaching as well as teaching in many other fields. I'm not saying that this is good, just trying to explain what's been going on.

 

[retired711]

I had two years..it was my favorite class with my favorite teacher...I felt that it helped me for sure overall with word meanings and understanding

do they not offer it anymore?

Even in my time, the public schools offered only a year or two of it. It has also faded from the parochial school curriculum with the decision in the 1960s to do the mass in the vernacular. But I wish I had taken Latin.

 

[bac2therac]

I think we are seeing the results of changes to how we teach history and social studies, every day, in the arts. That is, movies, TV, etc.

No Better Example Than:

The 60s movie "The Manchurian Candidate" starred Frank Sinatra and Lawrence Harvey as two officers who were captured during the Korean War and brainwashed by commies to be sleeper agents here in the USA. Lawrence Harvey was programmed to assassinate the presidential candidate so his Veep candidate could take over and be a stooge for his commie agent wife (who had serious problems with attraction to her son). In the end Harvey's character, "Raymond Shaw" shoots his stepfather and his mother then shoots himself, thus ending this commie threat.

The Cold War was real. The threat was real (and may still be) even if the methods in this movie were fantastic.

Now the 2004 version staring Denzel Washington and Liev Schriber. The war was the Iraq War this time. The bad guys? Nope..not terrorists.. it is BIG BUSINESS.. DEFENSE CONTRACTORS. They use some kind of chips to implant to control these two. (Don't know why they had to go tot tech for this.. psychological programming is still just as valid). Now the plan is to put Liev Schriber as teh veep candidate and Denzel (who is in the role of Sinatra, Major Marco, discovering this brainwashing thing and suspecting Schriver's character Shaw).. Denzel ends up being the shooter. Which was a nice twist for us who knew the previous movie well. And like the previous movie, the Shaw character saves teh president by spinning his mother (the secret bad guy) into the path of the bullet that kills them both, thus ending the threat. And Denzel doe snot kill himself..instead he has a happy ending as the assisnation attempt is blamed on a Defense Contractor thug.


Bottom Line: when was the last tie yo saw a movie, play or TV that presented a purely positive image of America?

Everything I see presents us as the ultimate bad guys. We are always to blame. Businessmen, politicians, right-wingers, patriots of any kind.. we are the ultimate bad guys now... responsible for all the ill sin the world. You want nuance? Look for how terrorists are presented.. ultimately their crimes are spurred on by American policies and poor treatment by white guys.

I have no idea at what age this anti-American, anti-establishment indoctrination begins.. but I have been seeing the results for along time now.

this is a great point. How many times do we sit through movies and the villains turn out to be our own government and it seems like they afraid to make other countries are enemy...case in point all the Marvel movies seem to shy away from this although predictably enough the Germans were okay to be the enemy but when they did Iron Man 3, they didnt want to offend the Chinese so the Mandarin villain became a hoax which was just so stupid and pissed off the fans. We see it in every cop movie some stereotype of how crooked cops are.

Can you imagine if Muslim countries churned out anti Muslim films..if they are even allowed to make films.

Im pretty tired of the media, so called movie stars, and dumbass twitter people shit on our country every day instead of celebrate it.