43 points on Wednesday, 51 on Friday and 46 tonight including 12 3 pointers and the game winner from 35 feet with less than a second to go. He just broke is own record for 3 pointers in a season and we still have more than a month to go. He is probably the most improved player and back to back mvp in the same season. The Lebron era has come to an end. Curry is the best in the world.
OT: Steph Curry is unreal
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He is unreal. Interesting to see older former players taking shots at The Warriors. One thing I will say is in the 90's with guys like Oakley, Rodman, Malone, etc. etc, etc, there is no way he is getting to the rim like he does now.
Who cares 36 out of his 46 points tonight were 3's, u can't stop his going to the rim and the 3
They would when guys forced him to go to the rim. He would still hit those shots just over mid court, but those defensive teams would forc him to go to the rim.
He is the only reason I am interested in the NBA again. He just doesn't miss. Thar was just a great game last night...and hie is not a pompous ass to boot
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He is without a doubt the best shooter ever in NBA. On a level above even Larry Bird. The NYT did a comprehensive study recently comparing shooters in different eras using the 3 pt shooting contest. Wasn't even close.. today's shooters are much better than yesteryear. Curry would score 30 ppg in any era. We've never seen anything like this.. to make deep shots with that consistency may be the single most impressive sports feat we've ever witnessed. Comparable to hitting .400 in baseball IMO.
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I have no doubt Curry would have been successful back in the day, but he is the poster child for revolutionizing today's game to shooters game. Crazy to think about because probably from the inception of basketball great centers were the gold standard. IMO Curry probably would have been an all star guard back 20 years ago, but not an MVP candidate - not sure coaches were that forward thinking, or more to the point that Curry would have had the right players around him. Curry has an equally great shooter right next to him in Klay, and then add in Green and he is really in the most ideal situation. Who is Curry on say the Nets this year? You can say the king is dead, but all things being equal (age) I would take Lebron in a heartbeat over Curry!
Fun article regarding Curry.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/bensin/...all-video-games-are-being-built/#19d63825125d
http://www.forbes.com/sites/bensin/...all-video-games-are-being-built/#19d63825125d
But the thing is no matter what era he played in, I don't see where the difference would come from. One of his 3s last night came with a 7 footer draped all over him with a Hand in his face. Several other came from 30-33 feet, where he shoots 50% in the season. I don't understand how people from another era can defend that.
But anyway, last nights comeback probably sealed the deal that GS will break the 72 win record
But anyway, last nights comeback probably sealed the deal that GS will break the 72 win record
Because he didn't play AAU ball and participate in "showcases". The kid ACTUALLY WORKED ON HIS GAME and lo and behold is fundamentally sound and A GREAT player. Go figure.
My undergrad alma mater (UNC Charlotte - located in his hometown) straight up told him "we like our guards big and strong" and said he could walk on if he wanted. At the time the team has been a couple years removed from 7 NCAA tournaments in 10 years and was in the A10.
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Jordan would go for 50 a game if you couldn't put your hands on him. I'd love to see the damage Bird would do in his prime. If a team threw up a matchup zone vs him he'd laugh.
The rules were completely different then, not just with hand checking, but with illegal defenses. The defense created an isolation game, which made hand checking and 1 on 1 defensive much more important. I don't think hand checking would be beneficial in today's game that has significantly more ball movement, stretch 4s and lack of centers, would lead to a ton of uncontested back door layups.
Curry is scoring ridiculous amounts on significantly less shots than the other big time scorers currently in the NBA and historically. Jordan and Kobe would take 20 plus free throws in their 50 point games. Curry takes maybe 8.
That's because when he does go to the rim, he doesn't get killed. In the 90s, he would be funneled to the rim much more. And he finishes pretty well, but not great. Teams then had the equivalent of NHL enforcers. You think guys like Laimbeer, Oakley, Mahorn, Mason, etc. etc. etc. would let him get to the rim unscathed? No chance.
And he would have had to. Those just over mud court shots will always be had, but most aren't coming from there. The pick game would have been much more physical, and the hand checking would absolutely have stifled his one on one game more than the rules allow today.
He is a great player in any era. That isn't the question. But no way is he doing what he is doing now 20 years ago. The game was very different then.
And he would have had to. Those just over mud court shots will always be had, but most aren't coming from there. The pick game would have been much more physical, and the hand checking would absolutely have stifled his one on one game more than the rules allow today.
He is a great player in any era. That isn't the question. But no way is he doing what he is doing now 20 years ago. The game was very different then.
It just goes to show that developing actual skills is more important and useful than learning how to dunk over people in big headed mascot suits on YouTube.
^^^ This ^^^
If you look at an opposing player the wrong way, that's now an automatic foul.
I agree 100% with your post and wrote something similar in the dunk contest thread. But I don't think people are comparing athletic abilities. I think it's about the difference in how the game was played. Especially before the Bad Boys' style was banned.
MJ felt the need to add 20 pounds of muscle to handle the beating he was taking. Can you imagine Curry intentionally slowing down his game for a similar reason? It sounds crazy in 2016.
Here's what I wrote:
Dunking from (inside) the foul line used to be a big deal. Now guys are doing windmills and through-the-legs from there? Wow.
This is why it drives me nuts when I hear in any sport that XYZ team from the '60s would destroy any team in the modern era. The average player is so much more athletic these days.
IMHO, Wilt Chamberlain would essentially be a Tim Duncan in our era. Very good, but rarely the best player in the sport. That doesn't take anything away from how dominant he was at the time. It's more of an indictment of the league.
Dunking from (inside) the foul line used to be a big deal. Now guys are doing windmills and through-the-legs from there? Wow.
This is why it drives me nuts when I hear in any sport that XYZ team from the '60s would destroy any team in the modern era. The average player is so much more athletic these days.
IMHO, Wilt Chamberlain would essentially be a Tim Duncan in our era. Very good, but rarely the best player in the sport. That doesn't take anything away from how dominant he was at the time. It's more of an indictment of the league.
Also keep in mind that defensive 3 seconds only came into the league in 01-02. Before that, true centers like Hakeem, Ewing, and even stiffs like Eaton or Bol would stand in the lane for the entire possession. Then the guards on the perimeter could be in your pocket, forcing you to drive into their centers, who would make you pay with a hard foul or a swat.
I'm not talking 60 years ago. I'm talking 15-20. The rules were much different. The athletes? Not so much.
Even 15-20 years ago.
Some guys reshape the game - MJ was one of them, but there have been lots of others. Young kids see what they do, and start emulating them from a young age - by the time they're in college, they can do many of the "oh my god" moves of the previous generation, and are raising the game even further.
Curry is one of those transcendent talents. He's changing the game in the ways that MJ did. Kids are seeing him do what he does, and practicing longer hours on their outside shooting, their handle, etc. In 10 years, there will be more players that emulate his skill set, and the game will have changed (and changed rules) to accommodate that evolution.
Pete Maravich was one of those game changing players... and Curry would likely play circles around him.
And that is wholly apart from the overall level of talent/conditioning that increases generation to generation. The level of money available in the sport has dramatically increased the level of competition in the lower levels, which creates a higher caliber overall player. The sports science of training/conditioning/nutrition has even changed in that time - e.g. Gatorade only had one flavor when MJ was being drafted.
Some guys reshape the game - MJ was one of them, but there have been lots of others. Young kids see what they do, and start emulating them from a young age - by the time they're in college, they can do many of the "oh my god" moves of the previous generation, and are raising the game even further.
Curry is one of those transcendent talents. He's changing the game in the ways that MJ did. Kids are seeing him do what he does, and practicing longer hours on their outside shooting, their handle, etc. In 10 years, there will be more players that emulate his skill set, and the game will have changed (and changed rules) to accommodate that evolution.
Pete Maravich was one of those game changing players... and Curry would likely play circles around him.
And that is wholly apart from the overall level of talent/conditioning that increases generation to generation. The level of money available in the sport has dramatically increased the level of competition in the lower levels, which creates a higher caliber overall player. The sports science of training/conditioning/nutrition has even changed in that time - e.g. Gatorade only had one flavor when MJ was being drafted.
I agree, but not in that short of a time. And you still aren't accounting for the major difference. The rules and how games were called. And Curry is an incredible shooter. Maybe the best. He isn't some freak athletically. He can barely dunk.
20 years is not a short time. The average player in the NBA is 26.7 years old... they were in 3rd grade 20 years ago, and probably just picking up a basketball.
Rules changes are definitely a major difference, too - and many of the rules were changed to evolve the game after elite talents changed the game (as I mentioned above). Tiger Woods reshaped golf courses across the country, too.
Curry is a freak in the sense that he's not just the best pure shooter in the league (and possibly ever), but he's also one of the best ball handlers in the league right now. It's rare to get an elite SG level talent in the same body as an elite PG... and even more rare for a guy to hit half-court shots at the rate most players hit 3-pointers.
fivethirtyeight did a great write up on just how much of an anomaly he is: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/stephen-curry-is-the-revolution/
He still wouldn't score in the 90s like he does now. What would get you kicked out of a game now was common place then. There was no such thing as Flagrant One. And no, 15-20 years isn't that much time. Better athletes across the board? Maybe. But isn't by much if so.
The game has definitely changed in a way that optimizes Curry's talent set. I don't even know how this is disputable.
Curry would have trouble breaking 30 against the 90s Knicks or the 80s Bad Boys. MJ had to transform his body (weight train) in order to just survive the grind of the regular season. It's well documented.
Curry would have trouble breaking 30 against the 90s Knicks or the 80s Bad Boys. MJ had to transform his body (weight train) in order to just survive the grind of the regular season. It's well documented.
It has? Of course the Giants and Dubs, but the 49ers and Sharks????
Doesn't hold a candle to Boston.
The 90s Knicks and the 80s Bad Boys would have difficulty defending today's NBA with the changes to the rule regarding defense as it increased the fluidity of the ball movement in the game. You can't just beat people up and call it defense now, you have to be quick and smart, essentially one step ahead of the ball movement. No one takes this into account when they speak of the "glory years" of 76-72 score NBA games.
I think you and I are saying the same thing -- the rules now help the offense. Conversely, the rules back then helped the defense.
The NBA wanted more offense and got it. They were just following the NFL model: Offense = excitement.
The problem with the NBA is that it's gotten so skewed that it's difficult to find teams with 5 guys on the floor at the same time who take defense seriously on every possession.
For instance, the Bulls didn't just want to win every single game -- they wanted to break your spirit by blowing you out. There was something special about that because you felt like every possession counted. Because defenses were so stout, you could appreciate the simple elegance of a back door cut.
Nowadays you can pretty much skip to the fourth quarter.
I'd rather watch the NCAAs at this point. If you don't play defense like your hair is on fire, you're benched.
The guys playing in the league in 1990 were that much better than the guys playing in 1970.
Also... 15 years ago was 2001 - that's era of Shaq, Duncan, Bryant, etc... not MJ, Ewing, Olajuwan, etc... If we're talking the early to mid 90s, we're talking 20-25 years ago. The average player in the NBA today was in diapers when MJ was winning his first NC the Pistons were
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