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Ok, at least 60% won’t be able to keep up with the payments. A little bit more and that use to be a monthly mortgage payment.

If you have to pay over $500 month, then you can't afford the car.
I don't think it's possible to put a percentage on how many would default. Suffice it to say a lot of folks would default if economic conditions worsen.

I disagree about the $500/month thing, as a general principle. At least for people who have the funds to buy the car outright. It depends on the interest rate, the price of the vehicle, market performance, and other factors. In some cases, it's perfectly sensible to have a $4000/month loan.
 
You think 60% of cars with a $1000 monthly payment will be repossessed?

No chance.
It would be a stretch. In an economic crash, a lot of people who lose jobs would sell the $1000/month car. That would flood the market with used cars and depress prices - making it hard to sell expensive used cars.

I wouldn't bother to try to predict a percentage, but it sure wouldn't be pretty.
 
It would be a stretch. In an economic crash, a lot of people who lose jobs would sell the $1000/month car. That would flood the market with used cars and depress prices - making it hard to sell expensive used cars.

I wouldn't bother to try to predict a percentage, but it sure wouldn't be pretty.
The original scenario didn't include an economic downtown, let alone a crash.

Even in a crash 60% sounds completely unrealistic.
 

  1. Ally Financial said in its October earnings report that it expects auto loan delinquencies to increase to as much as 3.8% compared with 3.1% in 2019, leading to more repossessions.
  2. For the third quarter of 2022, the percentage of auto loans that were overdue by 30 days was 2.2% compared to 2.35% in 2019.
  3. Cox Automotive analysts predict that long-term through 2025, repossessions will remain at or below historical norms. Before then, we could see a peak.
 
Would need to see an income overlay to determine if people are indeed buying above their means.

Or something which shows a rising repo rate.
Buying above one's means is a subjective phrase, right? It doesn't mean they're defaulting on loans or leases, although that would indeed be an obvious indicator. It means they're incurring too much credit risk to have something they can't afford.
 
Buying above one's means is a subjective phrase, right? It doesn't mean they're defaulting on loans or leases, although that would indeed be an obvious indicator. It means they're incurring too much credit risk to have something they can't afford.
But do we have any numbers which back that up? The link you posted provided half the equation.

I also think if you don't default, that means you could afford it, even if that means you have to cut back in other areas. Like I could afford this car, if I stopped getting hookers and blow.
 
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The original scenario didn't include an economic downtown, let alone a crash.

Even in a crash 60% sounds completely unrealistic.
I'm not defending Dave's suggested percentage.

I'm bringing up potential economic conditions because, IMO, wise financial planning always factors in periodic economic downturns and an occasional market crash.

When someone who cannot pay cash for a six figure car takes out an expensive 6 year loan because they really want that car, that person is, IMO, living above their means. If they have the money to buy in cash, but opt to take advantage of low interest rates and a good economy to keep the bulk of their money invested, that's different, it's a calculated risk with a soft downside.
 
But do we have any numbers which back that up? The link you posted provided half the equation.

I also think if you don't default, that means you could afford it, even if that means you have to cut back in other areas. Like I could afford this car, if I stopped getting hookers and blow.
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But no car could ever be worth such a thing.
 
I'm not defending Dave's suggested percentage.

I'm bringing up potential economic conditions because, IMO, wise financial planning always factors in periodic economic downturns and an occasional market crash.

When someone who cannot pay cash for a six figure car takes out an expensive 6 year loan because they really want that car, that person is, IMO, living above their means. If they have the money to buy in cash, but opt to take advantage of low interest rates and a good economy to keep the bulk of their money invested, that's different, it's a calculated risk with a soft downside.
Without knowing the incomes as well other expenses of those taking on these loans we are just making assumptions.


But 60%, is completely unrealistic. Judging by the stats I posted above, maybe 6%.
 
My thoughts on AI and PLTR looked to be completely blown out of the water as they were ripping in extended yesterday riding NVDA's wave.

But they've each given most, if not all, of that move back.
 
Other than my normal buying schedule, I am tracking CURE very closely. Will buy more if it dips below $90. This will increase my CB a bit (which is around $86-87), but I'm super bullish on HC for the next few years.
Here’s your chance
 
Here’s your chance
Thanks for the heads up. I have candidate interviews until 3pm. Afterwards, I will check it out!

EDIT - I see it closed at $90.14 and will check if it dips in after hours. Otherwise, maybe tomorrow. I would like to buy at $89.75 or under.
 
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MSFT up 12 bucks and about 4%…if it can hold looks like a possible break above a previous resistance area. I wasn’t sure it would break out any time soon given the run.

I’m guessing the AI halo is giving them a boost today. Big tech was very painful last year but what a boon this year, love it.

I’m usually one to stick with tried and true names in whatever the sector when they’re hit hard and more often than not they come through for you to some degree or much better. Financials/banks is the one area I don’t do that after the crash. Other than that, I think the relative safety of large or megacap names is a good place for the retail Joe and you can still make nice returns.
 
For clarity and real time transparency, I sold my NVDA today at 382, an even 100 points above my 282 cost. Took me over a year, where I spent probably 90% of that time in a loss position.
Nice! You showed that making money is about patience and having a strong stomach. I have to imagine that NVDA will settle down a bit from such a large rally. When it does, it's the perfect buy and hold candidate.
 
Another semi blowing up:

Marvell Technology
— Shares jumped 14% in post-bell trading after the semiconductor producer beat analysts’ expectations for its first quarter. Marvell notched 31 cents in adjusted earnings per share on $1.32 billion in revenue, while analysts polled by Refinitiv estimated 29 cents per share and $1.3 billion in revenue. The company also said revenue growth should accelerate in the second half of the fiscal year.

Mixed but solid earnings from Costco:

Costco
— Shares slipped by 0.2% after the retailer posted a miss on revenue, recording $53.65 billion for its fiscal third quarter while analysts forecasted $54.57 billion, per Refinitiv. Costco saw $3.43 in adjusted earnings per share, higher than the $3.29 anticipated by analysts.
 
Buying above one's means is a subjective phrase, right? It doesn't mean they're defaulting on loans or leases, although that would indeed be an obvious indicator. It means they're incurring too much credit risk to have something they can't afford.
Spending above one's means is pretty much the American standard these days. Crazy behavior.
 
For clarity and real time transparency, I sold my NVDA today at 382, an even 100 points above my 282 cost. Took me over a year, where I spent probably 90% of that time in a loss position.
If you really liked the stock, you could have averaged down at certain levels. I did that with a bunch of tech names which I bought down 20-30% or more from their highs and it was still way early for them. I slowly averaged my positions down at certain levels using charts and accumulated. I'm actually kind of surprised they've come back this hard this quickly and I've trimmed some of the highest price shares off now. But nonetheless, even it hadn't come back so hard so fast, I think they would have in good time.

I'm not one who likes buying ATHs or momentum etc...but I'll knife catch strategically but only in the large, megacap names where I feel safer.

For NVDA IIRC it was in the high 100s and I said low 100s might not be bad spot and PE at that point could be semi tolerable. I think that was sort of a plateau area before it went parabolic so a revisit could provide some support.

Of course, it depends on how strongly you feel about any particular company and how much cash you have on hand and are willing to deploy to one particular name. Personally, I'm always sitting on cash whether the market is going to the moon or tanking because it just makes me feel secure. Now at least with rates higher, I get some return on it too for a change. Couldn't say that for the last decade lol. But I always say know your own psychology, keeping that cash sitting even with little to no return made me feel secure so it was fine for me.
 
Nice! You showed that making money is about patience and having a strong stomach. I have to imagine that NVDA will settle down a bit from such a large rally. When it does, it's the perfect buy and hold candidate.
I brought my NVDA on 5/18/2023 $311 sold it this morning $389 for a $78 profit for a week work. It’s all in the timing. Buy low sell high. I have buy limit orders for NVDA. Did the same with UNH sold it after I believe two weeks.
 
If you really liked the stock, you could have averaged down at certain levels. I did that with a bunch of tech names which I bought down 20-30% or more from their highs and it was still way early for them. I slowly averaged my positions down at certain levels using charts and accumulated. I'm actually kind of surprised they've come back this hard this quickly and I've trimmed some of the highest price shares off now. But nonetheless, even it hadn't come back so hard so fast, I think they would have in good time.

I'm not one who likes buying ATHs or momentum etc...but I'll knife catch strategically but only in the large, megacap names where I feel safer.

For NVDA IIRC it was in the high 100s and I said low 100s might not be bad spot and PE at that point could be semi tolerable. I think that was sort of a plateau area before it went parabolic so a revisit could provide some support.

Of course, it depends on how strongly you feel about any particular company and how much cash you have on hand and are willing to deploy to one particular name. Personally, I'm always sitting on cash whether the market is going to the moon or tanking because it just makes me feel secure. Now at least with rates higher, I get some return on it too for a change. Couldn't say that for the last decade lol. But I always say know your own psychology, keeping that cash sitting even with little to no return made me feel secure so it was fine for me.
Sounds like my strategy.
 
I brought my NVDA on 5/18/2023 $311 sold it this morning $389 for a $78 profit for a week work. It’s all in the timing. Buy low sell high. I have buy limit orders for NVDA. Did the same with UNH sold it after I believe two weeks.
I fully respect your position and strategy. I, myself, don’t feel confident in market timing. If I like the company in a particular industry, I’ll buy and hold until I feel something substantive has changed. I bought Amgen and Microsoft decades ago after their IPOs. I have take some profits over the years but didn’t sell my full positions, luckily. There have been ups and downs but my cost basis for each is under $20 per share. I’d kick myself if I fully liquidated trying to time the market. But good for you and it sounds like your plan is working out well.
 
I fully respect your position and strategy. I, myself, don’t feel confident in market timing. If I like the company in a particular industry, I’ll buy and hold until I feel something substantive has changed. I bought Amgen and Microsoft decades ago after their IPOs. I have take some profits over the years but didn’t sell my full positions, luckily. There have been ups and downs but my cost basis for each is under $20 per share. I’d kick myself if I fully liquidated trying to time the market. But good for you and it sounds like your plan is working out well.
Either method works but since I am retired and I don’t mind holding cash at any time, if I see an opportunity I put the cash to work. it’s in my personality to trade.
 
I fully respect your position and strategy. I, myself, don’t feel confident in market timing. If I like the company in a particular industry, I’ll buy and hold until I feel something substantive has changed. I bought Amgen and Microsoft decades ago after their IPOs. I have take some profits over the years but didn’t sell my full positions, luckily. There have been ups and downs but my cost basis for each is under $20 per share. I’d kick myself if I fully liquidated trying to time the market. But good for you and it sounds like your plan is working out well.
For people like us that are always fully invested or mostly fully invested, this is the best strategy. Buy quality, hold, and add to positions. I have owned and added to my key funds since 2005.

Sure, I'm enjoying some trading of leveraged ETFs, but that is with a modest amount of my portfolio.
 
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I brought my NVDA on 5/18/2023 $311 sold it this morning $389 for a $78 profit for a week work. It’s all in the timing. Buy low sell high. I have buy limit orders for NVDA. Did the same with UNH sold it after I believe two weeks.
As mentioned above, I'm having fun trading around those leveraged ETFs, but not with such short durations (unless I quickly get stopped out). Still not an individual stock guy. I will only dabble with those.

I have a very large position in my company's stock due to our LTI plan and it freaks me out (even though I'm super bullish on our future). LOL!
 
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Either method works but since I am retired and I don’t mind holding cash at any time, if I see an opportunity I put the cash to work. it’s in my personality to trade.
I’m retired to, but just don’t trade much. As Sly sang, “different strokes for different folks and so on and so on and scooby dooby.” Best of luck to both of us! There are different ways! There is no one “right” method!
 
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As mentioned above, I'm having fun trading around those leveraged ETFs, but not with such short durations (unless I quickly get stopped out). Still not an individual stock guy. I will only dabble with those.

I have a very large position in my company's stock and it freaks me out (even though I'm super bullish on our future). LOL!
I do have some long term holding like JNJ and BMY which I brought at close to their 52 week low. At some point, I’m confident there will recover to at least 10% but I’m in no rush. I also moved my mom inheritance to me to a brokerage acct and brought some VZ and DIS thinking they were good long term investments. Well, looks like I’m going to have to hold them long term.

Not all stocks always go up, I had PYPL after the split from EBay and sold at $130 and now 60, I traded SQ around $200 and now $60. The S&P appears to go up forever but individual stocks don’t, the majority fall in 30-40 years. Look at GE, T, INTC, or DIS.
 
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I do have some long term holding like JNJ and BMY which I brought at close to their 52 week low. At some point, I’m confident there will recover to at least 10% but I’m in no rush. I also moved my mom inheritance to me to a brokerage acct and brought VZ and DIS thinking they were good long term investments. Well, looks like I’m going to have to hold them long term.
I bet DIS will be fine pretty soon. Iger has some digging out to do, but the company and brand are solid. As for VZ.....always thought it was a textbook value trap.
 
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