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Natwest bank (UK) asking for "reasons" depositors want to withdraw money
Suspicions are the bank is low on cash and not really trying to protect depositors from "scams"


Well after stories like this and the gullibility of some customers, I don't know if I can completely blame them. They always end up blaming the bank.

 
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The generative artificial intelligence bubble is only growing. The earnings report for AI tomorrow will be insane. That stock has gone up too much and too far.
Unlike many other bubbles, the uses of AI are immense and very obvious. I'm sure most "AI companies" will eventually tank, but the big boys that integrate AI effectively will do well. I read somewhere that a bubble peak is when IPOs/SPACs of garbage companies start hitting the market.
 
No additional LABU. Gotta drop more to buy (since I'm sitting on a $4.38 CB). Right now I have twice as much CURE to LABU, which feels right. The only way to lose money on CURE is freaking out and selling too early. Most large HC companies are rock solid.

Any thoughts on small caps? Looking crazy cheap.

Vanguard Small-Cap Value ETF (VBR)​

 
anyone have thoughts on Generac (gnrc)? It fell off a cliff post-COVID but last quarter didn’t strike me as too bad.
 
Another ugly day in regional banks:

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Vanguard Small-Cap Value ETF (VBR)​

Love VB and use it as my main small cap position in several accounts. It has a slight value lean. As for VBR, I also think VIOO is a good option (S&P 600 index). Can't go wrong with either! Great thing about VIOO is that it has a 2x version available. I believe SSA or SAA?
 
anyone have thoughts on Generac (gnrc)? It fell off a cliff post-COVID but last quarter didn’t strike me as too bad.
Personally, don't know much about GNRC, but here is Morningstar's take:

Generac Earnings: Shares Rise on Normalizing Home Generator Field Inventories

Analyst Note | Updated May 03, 2023

We maintain our $124 fair value estimate for narrow-moat Generac following the company's first-quarter results. Shares rose sharply (up 15% at the time of writing) on results, which we equate to low expectations. We make only minor changes to our model and view shares as fairly valued following the jump.

Generac's 2023 can be divided into two halves: the first half is expected to be weak as the company works through elevated levels of channel inventory for its home standby generators, while the second half should return to more normalized results. First-quarter results were particularly weak, with revenue for the company's residential products dropping 46% year on year, consistent with expectations. The most important takeaway to us from results was that field inventories continue to normalize. Days of field inventories fell to 1.4-1.5 times normal, down from 1.7 times normal in fourth-quarter 2022 and 2 times normal in third-quarter 2022. The company expects field inventories to approach normal around midyear, which should support stronger results in the second half.

Generac continues to focus on expanding its clean energy capabilities across both residential and commercial/industrial end markets. Within its residential activities, 2023 is expected to be a reset year for its solar and storage portfolio with a focus on building distribution capabilities and correcting prior reliability problems. Clean energy remains an area of interest for additional acquisitions.

Longer term, we reiterate our view that Generac's generators will face increased competition from new technologies, such as battery storage. Management's strategy to date has been to turn this threat into an opportunity via acquiring businesses in these areas. However, we view this strategy with cautious optimism and see risk that such investments don't turn out as planned.

Business Strategy and Outlook | Updated Feb 15, 2023
Generac is in the midst of a transition to an energy technology solution company.

The company’s legacy business is focused on home and commercial/industrial generators using internal combustion engine technology. Here, the company is most focused on continuing its leadership in home standby generators, leading with natural gas-fueled engines, and expanding the connectivity of its generators. We attribute its past success in home standbys to its substantial sales and marketing efforts, which have helped increase awareness for the niche category.

Increasingly, profits from its legacy generator business will be deployed into clean energy and digital capabilities. We think this strategy makes sense and aligns with our macro view for an increasingly decarbonized, decentralized, and digitized electric system. The company is rapidly expanding its residential solar and energy storage business within the United States following acquisitions in recent years.

While solar and storage represent a large and growing addressable market, success is not assured. Existing competitors serving the U.S. solar inverter market control approximately 90% of the market, which could make it difficult for a new entrant such as Generac to gain traction. In addition, recent execution hiccups within this business segment have delayed reaching management's targets.

Management has largely used acquisitions to quicken its entrance into new markets in the past, and we expect the company to continue to be acquisitive.

Fair Value and Profit Drivers | Updated Feb 15, 2023
Our fair value estimate for Generac is $124 per share. We model a five-year forecast with an implied terminal enterprise value/EBITDA multiple of 9.5 times.

In Generac’s legacy generator businesses, we view its home standby segment as its most profitable and valuable. The company has seen a sharp increase in sales in recent years due to elevated power outages. We forecast sales peaked in 2022 followed by a plateau long-term. We expect Generac’s legacy commercial and industrial business to continue its rebound from COVID-19-related weakness in 2020 and clean energy acquisitions to support continued growth in the medium term.

We believe the company’s growth in clean energy will increasingly be a profit and value driver in the years to come, although clean energy was less than 10% of 2022 sales. We forecast rapid growth in this segment but don’t expect it to unseat incumbents, such as Enphase or SolarEdge. We expect gross margins for this product segment to remain below its home standby generator margins.

While we do not explicitly forecast grid services revenue at this time, we think this represents a long-term opportunity for Generac. As the company provides more disclosure around the business model and potential revenue opportunities, we would look to incorporate this into our valuation.
 
Personally, don't know much about GNRC, but here is Morningstar's take:

Generac Earnings: Shares Rise on Normalizing Home Generator Field Inventories

Analyst Note | Updated May 03, 2023

We maintain our $124 fair value estimate for narrow-moat Generac following the company's first-quarter results. Shares rose sharply (up 15% at the time of writing) on results, which we equate to low expectations. We make only minor changes to our model and view shares as fairly valued following the jump.

Generac's 2023 can be divided into two halves: the first half is expected to be weak as the company works through elevated levels of channel inventory for its home standby generators, while the second half should return to more normalized results. First-quarter results were particularly weak, with revenue for the company's residential products dropping 46% year on year, consistent with expectations. The most important takeaway to us from results was that field inventories continue to normalize. Days of field inventories fell to 1.4-1.5 times normal, down from 1.7 times normal in fourth-quarter 2022 and 2 times normal in third-quarter 2022. The company expects field inventories to approach normal around midyear, which should support stronger results in the second half.

Generac continues to focus on expanding its clean energy capabilities across both residential and commercial/industrial end markets. Within its residential activities, 2023 is expected to be a reset year for its solar and storage portfolio with a focus on building distribution capabilities and correcting prior reliability problems. Clean energy remains an area of interest for additional acquisitions.

Longer term, we reiterate our view that Generac's generators will face increased competition from new technologies, such as battery storage. Management's strategy to date has been to turn this threat into an opportunity via acquiring businesses in these areas. However, we view this strategy with cautious optimism and see risk that such investments don't turn out as planned.

Business Strategy and Outlook | Updated Feb 15, 2023
Generac is in the midst of a transition to an energy technology solution company.

The company’s legacy business is focused on home and commercial/industrial generators using internal combustion engine technology. Here, the company is most focused on continuing its leadership in home standby generators, leading with natural gas-fueled engines, and expanding the connectivity of its generators. We attribute its past success in home standbys to its substantial sales and marketing efforts, which have helped increase awareness for the niche category.

Increasingly, profits from its legacy generator business will be deployed into clean energy and digital capabilities. We think this strategy makes sense and aligns with our macro view for an increasingly decarbonized, decentralized, and digitized electric system. The company is rapidly expanding its residential solar and energy storage business within the United States following acquisitions in recent years.

While solar and storage represent a large and growing addressable market, success is not assured. Existing competitors serving the U.S. solar inverter market control approximately 90% of the market, which could make it difficult for a new entrant such as Generac to gain traction. In addition, recent execution hiccups within this business segment have delayed reaching management's targets.

Management has largely used acquisitions to quicken its entrance into new markets in the past, and we expect the company to continue to be acquisitive.

Fair Value and Profit Drivers | Updated Feb 15, 2023
Our fair value estimate for Generac is $124 per share. We model a five-year forecast with an implied terminal enterprise value/EBITDA multiple of 9.5 times.

In Generac’s legacy generator businesses, we view its home standby segment as its most profitable and valuable. The company has seen a sharp increase in sales in recent years due to elevated power outages. We forecast sales peaked in 2022 followed by a plateau long-term. We expect Generac’s legacy commercial and industrial business to continue its rebound from COVID-19-related weakness in 2020 and clean energy acquisitions to support continued growth in the medium term.

We believe the company’s growth in clean energy will increasingly be a profit and value driver in the years to come, although clean energy was less than 10% of 2022 sales. We forecast rapid growth in this segment but don’t expect it to unseat incumbents, such as Enphase or SolarEdge. We expect gross margins for this product segment to remain below its home standby generator margins.

While we do not explicitly forecast grid services revenue at this time, we think this represents a long-term opportunity for Generac. As the company provides more disclosure around the business model and potential revenue opportunities, we would look to incorporate this into our valuation.
truth be told, with the liberal stupidity on green and the issues we'll have with the grid, any infrastructure and generac type plays could be good to have for a few years
 
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truth be told, with the liberal stupidity on green and the issues we'll have with the grid, any infrastructure and generac type plays could be good to have for a few years
Makes sense. Infrastructure is a big need.
 
truth be told, with the liberal stupidity on green and the issues we'll have with the grid, any infrastructure and generac type plays could be good to have for a few years
By the way, is oil heading to below $60? Been patiently waiting for Nat Gas to get below $2.
 
The generative artificial intelligence bubble is only growing. The earnings report for AI tomorrow will be insane. That stock has gone up too much and too far.

Bingo!

C3.ai, down 9% during the day and down 22% after hours.
 
Fed leadership foreshadowing a "skip" (which is essentially the start of the pause):

A June skip jumps to the fore following latest Fed comments

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -Federal Reserve officials including the vice chair-designate pointed towards a rate hike "skip" in June, prompting a quick reversal of market expectations for another hike as the U.S. central bank weighed the value of caution against still strong inflation data.

In what some viewed as a message from the Fed's leadership, Fed Governor and vice chair nominee Philip Jefferson said any decision to hold rates steady should not be viewed as the end of the tightening cycle.

"Skipping a rate hike at a coming meeting would allow the (Federal Open Market) Committee to see more data before making decisions about the extent of additional policy firming," Jefferson said at a financial stability conference in Washington.

Leaning toward what some have called a "hawkish pause," with rates held steady for now but the door left open for further increases, Jefferson said that "a decision to hold our policy rate constant at a coming meeting should not be interpreted to mean that we have reached the peak rate for this cycle."

Though Jefferson's nomination as vice chair is still pending in the U.S. Senate, his remarks were taken as a cue, just two days before the start of a blackout period that prohibits further public comment about the June 13-14 policy meeting.

"We are as certain as we can be that this message would have been agreed with chair (Jerome) Powell beforehand and represents the collective Fed leadership view," said Evercore ISI vice chairman Krishna Guha, who called it "an authoritative signal that the Fed leadership is not intending to raise rates in June."

Since the Fed's last meeting and with inflation showing little recent improvement towards the Fed's 2% target, markets have been on a seesaw trying to determine if the Fed is going to raise its policy rate in June or not. After Jefferson spoke investors reset expectations yet again, with prices of futures tied to the Fed's policy rate reflecting a less than one in three chance of a June rate hike compared with about a two-in-three probability before his remarks.

Philadelphia Fed President Patrick Harker added to the case.

"I am in the camp increasingly coming into this meeting thinking that we really should skip," Harker said, though data due on Friday about the U.S. job market "may change my mind."

The rate hike "skip" has now become jargon for an emerging compromise between concerns inflation is not yet controlled with fears the economy may slow sharply as banks pull back on credit.
 
Joe just mentioned something on halftime that's about my thinking. He was like when you see a whole bunch of AI IPOs that's when you can say it's bubblicious. I agree and that's what the dot com bubble was like. Something else that pops into my mind is when you see crazy valuations for companies that make no money like many of those silicon valley companies. Something else is when you see every man on the street who doesn't pay attention to the market talking about and investing in AI similar to what happened with crypto.

Those are the kind of things my mind will go okay we're getting long in the tooth in AI. Right now I see a lot of hype and momentum but it's not broad based. It's a good handful of companies but not all over the place IMO. So for sure given the momentum, a pullback and even a deep one (recession is not of the picture yet) is quite possible but I don't think the AI train is going over the cliff any time soon and it's not close to being fully mature yet.

I've been saying that functional AI has been around for awhile.
The AI that's being blown-up like a helium balloon now is part wolf and part unicorn.
Nvidia's announcements stirred a lot of hype - that's actually a hallmark of Nvidia marketing.

Building my own PCs and being in computer forums for 17 years I've seen Nvidia hype campaigns often.
They will flood media with stories about "ground breaking tech" in their upcoming video cards.
One year it was "HairWorks" - a way of making characters hair seem to "blow in the wind."
As a gimmick it could look OKish but it crippled performance of cards - cards that cost much more than AMD.

Last year the gimmick was "ray-tracing" - a supposed hyper-sophisticated way of rendering light and reflections. That made cards cost more, and only the 1k cards did ray-tracing weakly and it still looked lame. But Nvidia sold a lot of cards because of the hype and despite cheaper AMD cards rendering games practically identical aside from a few extra shimmers in puddles hardly anyone notices.

When I read Nvidia's AI hype I see the same old sizzle about a looming steak from Nvidia
Its easy to stoke people about tech when they dont even know much about it but sort of glorify it in their minds. A good deal of PC hardware market is hype.

There's also a lot of hyper over "quantum computing" but its still a "lab thing."
Quantum is about more than new chips.
Binary coding is transcended (and no one has experimentally demonstrated a working logical qubit replacement) so its like a huge revolution on many levels and its just not there yet and wont be soon.

The admin in DC is promoting AI for a war on cancer (another one) but its going to really be about using big data "socially" and that's another factor for the hype.
AI isn't a magic 8 ball that will be super intelligent and objective
It could be dangerous for that reason as well as some others.
"Its a trap!" as the saying goes



"Quantum computers at present only exist in labs and can only solve toy problems. They aren’t being used productively by anyone for any purpose.

They may eventually become useful, but that’s not a given. The practical difficulties of scaling up to a useful size may be too difficult to overcome. We just have to wait and see. There’s a great deal of hype around them, but much of that comes from people looking for investors. Those old enough to remember the fuss about “5th Generation Computing” back in the 80s might regard it all with a sceptical eye for the time being."

Patrick O'Callaghan
Diploma in Computer Science, University of Cambridge (Graduated 1972)
Upvoted by James Burkill , MSc Artificial Intelligence & Computer Science, University College Dublin


Are quantum computers for real? So far, the uncertainty principle rules the day​

 
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With debt ceiling raised, will the gov't finally begin to replenish SPR?

WTI get's back above $70 this morning.

I would say the chance of that are close to zero. Biden admin isn't going to spend cash on that and take the chance of higher oil prices.
 
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I would say the chance of that are close to zero. Biden admin isn't going to spend cash on that and take the chance of higher oil prices.
I believe somewhere along the line he said he'd look to buy back at $65. And it does need to be replenished eventually.

Lately I've been seeing gas prices go up while WTI hangs around 52 week lows. Assume this is summer driving season price increases. Get to the back side of the summer perhaps gas prices come down even if oil hangs at around $70.

I also think people have gotten accustomed to mid $3 gas prices.
 
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My preferred stock ETF has finally been discovered by the true bargain hunters (price had actually dipped below its pandemic trough). Has provided a nice quarterly dividend despite the price beat down which began the beginning of 2022. Reminds me of something I’m sure John Maynard Keynes once thought about saying…”In the long run we’re all transitory.”
 
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My preferred stock ETF has finally been discovered by the true bargain hunters (price had actually dipped below its pandemic trough). Has provided a nice quarterly dividend despite the price beat down which began the beginning of 2022. Reminds me of something I’m sure John Maynard Keynes once thought about saying…”In the long run we’re all transitory.”
Which ETF are you rocking again? Was is VIG or something like that.
 
Which ETF are you rocking again? Was is VIG or something like that.
PGX. It might be good timing wise unless you think Powell is going to break the likes of JP Morgan. Lots of too big to fail banks and big energy…big telecom…
30 day yield currently 6.29%.
I’m hoping this holding has a nice run ahead because it has been beaten down (and rightfully so) but I try not to be a trader and I missed a good exit point so I’ve been hodling.
 
Most new jobs post CV-19 going to foreign born

"Even though numerous bank analysts and strategist have repeatedly raised questions and concerns about the credibility of the most important US economic data - the monthly jobs report - nothing ever changes and if it does, it comes in the form of periodic "seasonal adjustment" resets where we "learn" that all the data that guided markets and central banks, had been fake, manipulated wrong for years.

But even if one ignores the blatant manipulation of economic data by self-serving administrations, who hope to generate political brownie points by casting the economy in a far stronger light than is merited in reality, there are still various bizarre offshoots within the data which few notice yet which are instrumental to maintaining the fake narrative...

Yet one place where the BLS has allowed a glaring data deficiency to persist, is in what will soon be a very politically charged and sensitive data series: where have all the new workers come from.

As noted above, if one believes the BLS, US payrolls are now a record high 155.7 million, or 161 million employed workers according to the Household survey. But if one digs a little deeper, one finds something rather peculiar: all of the jobs created since the covid crash have gone to foreign-born workers!"


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Most new jobs post CV-19 going to foreign born

"Even though numerous bank analysts and strategist have repeatedly raised questions and concerns about the credibility of the most important US economic data - the monthly jobs report - nothing ever changes and if it does, it comes in the form of periodic "seasonal adjustment" resets where we "learn" that all the data that guided markets and central banks, had been fake, manipulated wrong for years.

But even if one ignores the blatant manipulation of economic data by self-serving administrations, who hope to generate political brownie points by casting the economy in a far stronger light than is merited in reality, there are still various bizarre offshoots within the data which few notice yet which are instrumental to maintaining the fake narrative...

Yet one place where the BLS has allowed a glaring data deficiency to persist, is in what will soon be a very politically charged and sensitive data series: where have all the new workers come from.

As noted above, if one believes the BLS, US payrolls are now a record high 155.7 million, or 161 million employed workers according to the Household survey. But if one digs a little deeper, one finds something rather peculiar: all of the jobs created since the covid crash have gone to foreign-born workers!"


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That’s what I been saying, we need more immigration. The lazy native-born don’t want to work.

The native born have all the advantages, they speak English without an accent, access to public schools, and access to vote but fail to beat the foreign born in the labor market.
 
Mid-Year Outlook from Fidelity - nice balanced review:


Speaking of small caps, which should be leading the way in a new bull market. Aren't small caps suppressed due to stupid regional banks? I would love to see how the non-financial small cap market is doing.
 
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Mid-Year Outlook from Fidelity - nice balanced review:


Speaking of small caps, which should be leading the way in a new bull market. Aren't small caps suppressed due to stupid regional banks? I would love to see how the non-financial small cap market is doing.
Small caps/micro caps will feel the pinch of tighter credit ahead. And a recession looming with earnings impacted. So it's problematic to get behind them now. I suspect October will see a general revaluation for equities and likely "the" opportunity for buying.
 
truth be told, with the liberal stupidity on green and the issues we'll have with the grid, any infrastructure and generac type plays could be good to have for a few years
Especially in Texas where the heavily deregulated power grid is prone to failure whenever it gets too hot or too cold. Millions lose power and Ted Cruz vacates to Mexico.
 

AMZN news that they're in talks with mobile companies to offer a free or low cost mobile service to Prime Members. Still very preliminary and could mount to nothing. T, VZ, TMUS all down on the news. Div yield over 7% on the first 2.

Also noticed 3M with a yield over 6%...I can't remember the last time I've seen that if ever. It's been an extremely long time. Lawsuits related to earplugs and forever chemicals still weighing on it I guess. That was one reason I've stayed away but 6% for company that has raised the dividend for like 50-60 years is somewhat tempting. I'd expect depending on the heft of those lawsuits I wonder if cut could be in the cards for a dividend king like 3M. I wonder how much the lawsuits are priced in and how much isn't.
 
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Small caps/micro caps will feel the pinch of tighter credit ahead. And a recession looming with earnings impacted. So it's problematic to get behind them now. I suspect October will see a general revaluation for equities and likely "the" opportunity for buying.
Still on the recession thing I see. Timeline keeps getting pushed back. :)
 
Most new jobs post CV-19 going to foreign born

"Even though numerous bank analysts and strategist have repeatedly raised questions and concerns about the credibility of the most important US economic data - the monthly jobs report - nothing ever changes and if it does, it comes in the form of periodic "seasonal adjustment" resets where we "learn" that all the data that guided markets and central banks, had been fake, manipulated wrong for years.

But even if one ignores the blatant manipulation of economic data by self-serving administrations, who hope to generate political brownie points by casting the economy in a far stronger light than is merited in reality, there are still various bizarre offshoots within the data which few notice yet which are instrumental to maintaining the fake narrative...

Yet one place where the BLS has allowed a glaring data deficiency to persist, is in what will soon be a very politically charged and sensitive data series: where have all the new workers come from.

As noted above, if one believes the BLS, US payrolls are now a record high 155.7 million, or 161 million employed workers according to the Household survey. But if one digs a little deeper, one finds something rather peculiar: all of the jobs created since the covid crash have gone to foreign-born workers!"


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Don’t worry. Once President Trump pushes out the Biden Crime Family he will announce The Purge; Ethnic Cleansing of America. Only Native Americans will remain.
 
Gotta say the market has been resilient to date this year.
The market is forward looking. Earnings have been fine, real inflation is gone (just need patience for the garbage CPI math to catch up), job market strong, etc. Seriously, lots of positives going on.

No more debt ceiling issue. I guess regional banks are the only meaningful risk right now.
 
Here is my wish for the new year.

S&P is able to hold this 3700-3800 area and make a run for 4300.

If we give up though (on a weekly or daily) then 3400 unfortunately.

Sorry.
There is absolutely nothing strange or surprising about this market activity. Now, if the S&P gets to and holds above 4400 (preferably closes above 4400 on the weekly), we need to consider the possibility that the market needs to take a peek higher. Unless this happens, odds are we see another leg down.

Now, the lesson here...It took a full six months for this scenario to play out. This is the way markets move 95% of the time. Hedge well...sleep well.

Have a good weekend, and please act responsibly.

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There is absolutely nothing strange or surprising about this market activity. Now, if the S&P gets to and holds above 4400 (preferably closes above 4400 on the weekly), we need to consider the possibility that the market needs to take a peek higher. Unless this happens, odds are we see another leg down.

Now, the lesson here...It took a full six months for this scenario to play out. This is the way markets move 95% of the time. Hedge well...sleep well.

Have a good weekend, and please act responsibly.

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Bears continue to move the goal posts. Now the magic # of 4,400.
 
Bears continue to move the goal posts. Now the magic # of 4,400.

Confirmation bias
Confirmation bias is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms or supports one's prior beliefs or values. People display this bias when they select information that supports their views, ignoring contrary information, or when they interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing attitudes.
 
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