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Most countries don’t have money to “invest”. Maybe the government can just confiscate it. That’s even a better way to reduce the deficit.
If El Salvador can do it, then I'd think most other countries can figure something out.

El Salvador is, at the moment, looking pretty smart, they may look to be geniuses if it goes on a bigger run. The only 2nd guess would be "they should have bought more".
 
If El Salvador can do it, then I'd think most other countries can figure something out.

El Salvador is, at the moment, looking pretty smart, they may look to be geniuses if it goes on a bigger run. The only 2nd guess would be "they should have bought more".
El Salvador is the model for everyone to copy.
 
And yet, they are up near a double on their BTC purchases.
That’s great if they are an investment fund. It doesn’t help with their GDP. US and other countries are sitting on Gold that has ran up 50% since 2022. Did that solve any problems?
 
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That’s great if they are an investment fund. It doesn’t help with their GDP. US and other countries are sitting on Gold that has ran up 50% since 2022. Did that solve any problems?
What is your point? That El Salvador buying BTC, and it since doubling, was not a good buy?

We can also debate whether the US should or shouldn't build a crypto reserve, but it does appear to be happening, and it will drive the price of BTC way up.
 
What is your point? That El Salvador buying BTC, and it since doubling, was not a good buy?

We can also debate whether the US should or shouldn't build a crypto reserve, but it does appear to be happening, and it will drive the price of BTC way up.
I think the point is that buying cryptocurrency is not a way to help the economy. The government should also not be investing in equities and commodities as away to pay off its debt. They definitely should not be picking winners and losers... ie ok to buy BTC, but not ETH, SOL, etc.
 
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I think the point is that buying cryptocurrency is not a way to help the economy. The government should also not be investing in equities and commodities as away to pay off its debt. They definitely should not be picking winners and losers... ie ok to buy BTC, but not ETH, SOL, etc.
The other point is that El Salvador wants to use BTC as legal tender. I like the idea because it’s not a well banked country. But the volatility of BTC makes it difficult.
 
The other point is that El Salvador wants to use BTC as legal tender. I like the idea because it’s not a well banked country. But the volatility of BTC makes it difficult.
There is a high chance of corruption when the government picks winners and losers. If Musk decides to buy $10 billion worth of DOGE and then pushes Trump to have the government buy DOGE, that in most cases would be unethical. How confident are you that ethics rules are going to followed under Trump administration?
 
I think the point is that buying cryptocurrency is not a way to help the economy. The government should also not be investing in equities and commodities as away to pay off its debt. They definitely should not be picking winners and losers... ie ok to buy BTC, but not ETH, SOL, etc.
The gov’ment has plenty of gold. Might as well buy digital gold! :)
 
Government is not about YOLO 😀
Probably shouldn't be, but Trump and Elon are running it for the next 4 years. So, I guess the question is.....do you want to make money or not? Whether or not the gov'ment should be buying BTC is irrelevant. Elections have consequences.
 
Probably shouldn't be, but Trump and Elon are running it for the next 4 years. So, I guess the question is.....do you want to make money or not? Whether or not the gov'ment should be buying BTC is irrelevant. Elections have consequences.
Probably??? Yes you can make tons of money as long as you get out before things crash. The thing about this type of trading is that there are going to be winners and losers.
 
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They’re running a little behind MSTR. Will be interesting to see how much that stock continues to run.
Thoughts on the likes of Mara and Riot?

Appears they own much less btc then their market cap. Is that the extent of the underperformance?
 
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I love the market action these days as my net worth climbs, but it’s never a good thing when a billionaire can befriend a president and his company goes up $415B in value. The next 4 years may redefine conflicts of interest as everyone turns a blind-eye just to make money.
 
I love the market action these days as my net worth climbs, but it’s never a good thing when a billionaire can befriend a president and his company goes up $415B in value. The next 4 years may redefine conflicts of interest as everyone turns a blind-eye just to make money.
Donnie will ultimately screw the consumer enough to bring the market down. A new bout of inflation will destroy many and slow the economy. The question is will he bring growth down to 1% from 3% or will he actually cause a recession even while the Fed is already in the process of lowering rates.
 
I love the market action these days as my net worth climbs, but it’s never a good thing when a billionaire can befriend a president and his company goes up $415B in value. The next 4 years may redefine conflicts of interest as everyone turns a blind-eye just to make money.
I don't blame Trump or Elon for what is going on now. The market is making its own decision on how to react to their working relationship. And yes, it's always fun to see my accounts at screaming ATHs. :)
 
I don't blame Trump or Elon for what is going on now. The market is making its own decision on how to react to their working relationship. And yes, it's always fun to see my accounts at screaming ATHs. :)
I get it - all my accounts are at ATHs and it feels great. However, there is a reason we are supposed to have regulators and rules - humans are inherently greedy and selfish. I’m sure at your company the CEO can’t give a contract or sweet-heart deal to his brother-in-law or golf buddy (at least not without Compliance). I think Trump is playing with fire. But then again we are all making so much money.
 
Donnie will ultimately screw the consumer enough to bring the market down. A new bout of inflation will destroy many and slow the economy. The question is will he bring growth down to 1% from 3% or will he actually cause a recession even while the Fed is already in the process of lowering rates.
That's my biggest concern. As long as there aren't too many bumps along the way, I'll be in a position to retire at the end of Trump's term. But if he and his buddies send the economy into the dump (like with these tariffs) I'm screwed, as I'm sure many others will be.
 
The TSLA robot talk had me looking around at other autonomous companies. I've heard of SERV in recent months, and then a couple derivatives of SERV.

SERV, which NVDA invested money in this year, sending the stock on a tear. Micro cap at below $400mil, barely any revenue yet, but that is expected to grow, and if estimates are true (and I've fallen for these estimates before which don't pan out) then it's there could be significant upside in the next couple years. As noted below they don't actually make robots so In California they already deliver for 7-11 they just signed a deal with Uber, for whom SERV will operate(not sell) 2000 delivery robots.

OUST makes the lidar for SERV. Another micro cap. But it does have rev's, is pretty cheap on those rev's at less then 4x, and those rev's have grown nicely, and expected to grow at even better rate looking fwd. Came public during the height of the Covid run, and has tanked since. Not a falling knife though as it has been basing around current levels for a year and a half. Currently a money loser, and that definitely plays into the stock tanking, but I don't think this is a stock which one would expect to make money. Way too early in the process for that.

MGA. A legit company, a "global automotive supplier" that has been in business and actually made money for years. The actual robots for SERV though this is only a drop in the bucket of their overall rev's. Cheap on P/E at 12x, big juicy 4.5% div, not much rev growth, but earnings are expected to grow substantially in the coming years. Chart looks like crap, 60% off Covid, so I'd probably make sure it has bottomed before buying in, but it is below pre Covid levels, and down near 10 year support levels. If it can get those margins/earnings to meet expectations this "should" go up.
OUST up 33% today. Not sure the why. I see and upgrade but is that worth a 33% upward move? I'm guessing something else is afoot.
 
That's my biggest concern. As long as there aren't too many bumps along the way, I'll be in a position to retire at the end of Trump's term. But if he and his buddies send the economy into the dump (like with these tariffs) I'm screwed, as I'm sure many others will be.
He’s strictly a supply-side economics guy…so supply side inflation is actually a good thing to him!🤣
Of course he believes he’ll have oil prices down to $50 a barrel too.🤣
Easiest bet in the world to win would be that the oil price will not be lower than it is today in Oct. 2028.
 
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I love the market action these days as my net worth climbs, but it’s never a good thing when a billionaire can befriend a president and his company goes up $415B in value. The next 4 years may redefine conflicts of interest as everyone turns a blind-eye just to make money.
Can’t wait until we see updated valuations of Twitter. I’d say he got his moneys worth at this point.
 
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