OT: The original monster of State College, PA

[RUinPinehurst]

child rape in their showers and multi-year cover-up/ enabling of a known pedophile > systematic academic fraud.

it took THIS thing for PSU's wrong-doings to overtake UNC's? really?

I mean sure the UNC thing was REALLY REALLY REALLY bad but to my knowledge no children were ass-raped at UNC-CH.

Ease up, man. Unequal, yes. But you understand my point. What went on in State College was very different from what went on (goes on?) in Chapel Hill.

But the whole UNC thing and "The Carolina Way" is still pretty shitty. Recruit academically ill-equipped black kids to play ball to feed the egos of boosters. Create a whole new enabling "African and Afro-American Studies" program featuring sham no-attendance classes. Give out grades to keep kids eligible. BB and FB. Give them degrees but little-to-no education. Make lots of $$$ for the school and coaches. Plantation-level mentality in many ways. And they get caught, charged with five Level One infractions, and they lawyer out of it. So, yeah, "Go Heels!"

 

[ScarletNut]

That is the mindset of a perennial bottom feeder. It perfectly understandable that a lot of our fans have been conditioned to think that way. I can't wait for the day when we don't give a crap about these kind of stories because all we are discussing during the off season is whether we have the team to make the playoffs or will we be stuck having to play in Pasadena again for the umpteenth time.

I hope we always give a crap about these stories because they need to be heard. Bad deeds throughout history need to be read about and discussed in order to avoid repeating and preventing recurrence.

 

[RedTeam1994]

Ease up, man. Unequal, yes. But you understand my point. What went on in State College was very different from what went on (goes on?) in Chapel Hill.

But the whole UNC thing and "The Carolina Way" is still pretty shitty. Recruit academically ill-equipped black kids to play ball to feed the egos of boosters. Create a whole new enabling "African and Afro-American Studies" program featuring sham no-attendance classes. Give out grades to keep kids eligible. BB and FB. Give them degrees but little-to-no education. Make lots of $$$ for the school and coaches. Plantation-level mentality in many ways. And they get caught, charged with five Level One infractions, and they lawyer out of it. So, yeah, "Go Heels!"

a lot of what you address in your second paragraph (" Recruit academically ill-equipped black kids to play ball to feed the egos of boosters" and I'll add make BILLIONS off their play on the field...."Give them degrees but little-to-no education.", etc, etc.), well, that kinda defines the hypocrisy of big time college athletics, doesnt it?

obviously Carolina took it another step forward

just thought it was funny that NOW this article puts PSU above UNC?

UNC was academic fraud. As I said - REALLY REALLY REALLY bad. but even equating that in any way to PSU - just odd to even mention in the same post.

UNC = took your garden variety academic cheating to a new level. really bad cheaters

PSU = really no other description other than pure evil

---FWIW - I understand how the "Carolina Way" thing would piss you off. its the same reason I despise Coach K. He acts above it/ they portray this image of being this super clean program/ doing it right. Theyre as dirty as anyone. How much did Zion get paid? Give me a break.

but again, hypocritical cheaters < covering up and enabling child rape . even mentioning in the same post diminishes the evil that went on at PSU

 

[charliem24]

That is the mindset of a perennial bottom feeder. It perfectly understandable that a lot of our fans have been conditioned to think that way. I can't wait for the day when we don't give a crap about these kind of stories because all we are discussing during the off season is whether we have the team to make the playoffs or will we be stuck having to play in Pasadena again for the umpteenth time.

You’re right, winning is all that matters no matter what the cost. You’re really a PSU fan aren’t you?

 

[RUinPinehurst]

a lot of what you address in your second paragraph (" Recruit academically ill-equipped black kids to play ball to feed the egos of boosters" and I'll add make BILLIONS off their play on the field...."Give them degrees but little-to-no education.", etc, etc.), well, that kinda defines the hypocrisy of big time college athletics, doesnt it?

obviously Carolina took it another step forward

just thought it was funny that NOW this article puts PSU above UNC?

UNC was academic fraud. As I said - REALLY REALLY REALLY bad. but even equating that in any way to PSU - just odd to even mention in the same post.

UNC = took your garden variety academic cheating to a new level. really bad cheaters

PSU = really no other description other than pure evil

True. But UNC involves that unspeakable "Third Rail" of collegiate sports: racism.

 

[newell138]

a lot of what you address in your second paragraph (" Recruit academically ill-equipped black kids to play ball to feed the egos of boosters" and I'll add make BILLIONS off their play on the field...."Give them degrees but little-to-no education.", etc, etc.), well, that kinda defines the hypocrisy of big time college athletics, doesnt it?

Have to disagree here because most of the programs do it the right way and give plenty of kids a chance to get an education, many of whom are the first in their families to attend college. Once you get there, like any of us, its what you make of it. Its up to the athletes to use the school and the system to their advantage.

 

[RutgersMO]

Had never heard of this guy or knew of this story.

Before Jerry Sandusky, Penn State football had another serial sexual predator. This is the untold story of his crimes and the fight to bring him to justice.

When Jerry Sandusky's crimes came to light in 2011, the world thought it was the first time Joe Paterno and Penn State had faced a serial sexual predator in their midst. But that was not the case. This is the story of the predator who had come before.

www.espn.com

I'm up to the Punishment...

Had never heard of this guy or knew of this story.

Before Jerry Sandusky, Penn State football had another serial sexual predator. This is the untold story of his crimes and the fight to bring him to justice.

When Jerry Sandusky's crimes came to light in 2011, the world thought it was the first time Joe Paterno and Penn State had faced a serial sexual predator in their midst. But that was not the case. This is the story of the predator who had come before.

www.espn.com

Tear down that statue State Penn.

Strip Paterno's W"S FOREVER....and be done with this POS!

MO

 

[RedTeam1994]

Have to disagree here because most of the programs do it the right way and give plenty of kids a chance to get an education, many of whom are the first in their families to attend college. Once you get there, like any of us, its what you make of it. Its up to the athletes to use the school and the system to their advantage.

I hope youre right. for example, we keep hearing how Rutgers has this great academic support system, etc. I HOPE its "as advertised". I do like when they make announcements about the academic success of the athletes. and I hope more schools than not actually put an emphasis on education.

but, come on, we all know there are TONS of programs where actual education is not a priority, where the term "student-athlete" is a joke.

 

[RUinPinehurst]

I hope youre right. We keep hearing how Rutgers has this great academic support system, etc. I HOPE thats true. and I hope more schools than not actually put an emphasis on education.

but, come on, we all know there are TONS of programs where actual education is not a priority, where the term "student-athlete" is a joke.

As then UNC Head FB Coach, Butch Davis, once told his players, on record, "You want an education? Go to Harvard!"

 

[Mufasa94]

Wait a minute. You read the article about more rapes at happy valley involving the football program, and the goofball defenders of their weirdo head coach….and your first thought/comment is to call out the Mrs.?

I didn’t state anything about my thought(s). Would hope there is a general consensus feeling regarding the now convict and (at the time) girls.

I don’t foresee something productive happening if I tried to discuss either PSU or Paterno in regards to the article.

That said, an accusation by a poster on this board was cast, my comment requested the accuser to provide proof.

 

[bethlehemfan]

I got through about half maybe 2/3 of the article. Terrible. But how is Penn state at fault here? Jopa even wanted to taint a witness to convict the guy? Just curious what I missed here.

 

[ScarletNut]

I got through about half maybe 2/3 of the article. Terrible. But how is Penn state at fault here? Jopa even wanted to taint a witness to convict the guy? Just curious what I missed here.

Read the last third then and get goosebumps at the last paragraph

 

[bethlehemfan]

Read the last third then and get goosebumps at the last paragraph

Ok will do.

 

[DJ Spanky]

My point is I would like to hear a discussion regarding how we beat Penn State on the field

That's very simple: we need to score more points than they do.

Would you like to know where the sun rises? Or what color the sky is?

 

[mdk01]

As then UNC Head FB Coach, Butch Davis, once told his players, on record, "You want an education? Go to Harvard!"

Reminds me of a Mike McMahon quote circa 1998: "Monday through Friday we're supposed to be Princeton. Saturday we're supposed to be Penn State."

 

[LETSGORU91]

I hope we always give a crap about these stories because they need to be heard. Bad deeds throughout history need to be read about and discussed in order to avoid repeating and preventing recurrence.

It appears Ped State fails very badly in investigating past incidents and learning from them in order to prevent future events.

 

[Plum Street]

The worst thing a college football coach can do to your school is lose . Save for a sandusky/paterno situation

 

[mdh2003]

I didn’t state anything about my thought(s). Would hope there is a general consensus feeling regarding the now convict and (at the time) girls.

I don’t foresee something productive happening if I tried to discuss either PSU or Paterno in regards to the article.

That said, an accusation by a poster on this board was cast, my comment requested the accuser to provide proof.

Great! More culties acting like wanna be lawyers. Thought this nightmare was over. Unfortunately, the rapes keep piling up at psu. And culty gotta culty.

 

[jsol_05]

My point is I would like to hear a discussion regarding how we beat Penn State on the field and recruiting, I couldn't care less about a story 40 years old that will not lead to one positive play on the field against them.

Our problem in beating State Penn starts and ends with with recruiting we have figured it out in over 40 years. Another thing, say Eagan you want about their fans but every Sat over 100k fill that stadium.

Living in Central Pa, I work with these fanatics, I stopped trying to understand their devotion years ago but let me tell you it is real.

 

[kapyoche]

Before Jerry Sandusky, Penn State football had another serial sexual predator. This is the untold story of his crimes and the fight to bring him to justice.

When Jerry Sandusky's crimes came to light in 2011, the world thought it was the first time Joe Paterno and Penn State had faced a serial sexual predator in their midst. But that was not the case. This is the story of the predator who had come before.

www.espn.com

Click here to read the story. It's very well researched story.

Just when you can't hate this program any more, you read another horrific story about the Penn State Predator.

Why no one knows about this monster?

The common link here is Penn State and Joe Pa.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

My point is I would like to hear a discussion regarding how we beat Penn State on the field and recruiting, I couldn't care less about a story 40 years old that will not lead to one positive play on the field against them.

then start a thread about that and quit yer whining about this thread.

 

[Rutgers85]

See the Original monster of Penn State thread

 

[Will Scarlet]

Ok will do.

It's a long read, but well worth it. It's a Pulitzer Prize-level quality feature. Early-on, the writers advised that they conducted "hundreds of interviews." As a former journalist, I almost stopped reading when I came across this seemingly implausible nugget. But, by the end, there's no doubt that not only hundreds of interviews were conducted, but that they likely included several hundred, if not, a thousand, or more, hours of content. The research necessary to stitch an article together for a story of this nature is astounding. And, as bethlehem advises, just wait for the last paragraph, which nicely ties the article together. It's a story of gut-wrenching sorrow and tragedy with one constant underlying theme, the hubris of a college football program built on a culture lacking moral, ethical or legal accountability; tragically indifferent to and/or casually accepting of sexual violence; and, endlessly incapable of the sort of self-reflection necessary to address or correct even the most brazenly unconscionable acts of human depravity.

My father sent me to old Rutgers. We are most definitely NOT Penn State. Thank God!

 

[Tango Two]

Before Jerry Sandusky, Penn State football had another serial sexual predator. This is the untold story of his crimes and the fight to bring him to justice.

When Jerry Sandusky's crimes came to light in 2011, the world thought it was the first time Joe Paterno and Penn State had faced a serial sexual predator in their midst. But that was not the case. This is the story of the predator who had come before.

www.espn.com

Click here to read the story. It's very well researched story.

Just when you can't hate this program any more, you read another horrific story about the Penn State Predator.

Why no one knows about this monster?

The common link here is Penn State and Joe Pa.

Thread 'OT: The original monster of State College, PA'

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/ot-the-original-monster-of-state-college-pa.239367/

 

[RUforlife]

That's very simple: we need to score more points than they do.

Would you like to know where the sun rises? Or what color the sky is?

Thanks for your learned insight! Looking at some of your other 55k posts, the level of intellect, knowledge and depth of those posts compared to this response seems to run pretty consistent.

 

[SHUSource]

How does this help us beat Penn State in 2022 and going forward. Because at the end day I am on this board because I am Rutgers football fan and all I give a sh!t about Penn State when I am on this board is how we are going to beat them at recruiting and on the field. So, please, again, all you wise people tell me how this old story helps us win games.

This is about a 35,000-word piece of deep-dive journalism that only involves Penn State at one level, albeit not an insignificant one. One theme is the way athletics programs can typically be counted on to soft-pedal talented kids who just also happen to be sociopaths. It doesn't just happen at Penn State and it was happening with this guy well before he wound up in Slappy Valley. How one team gains a competitive advantage over another isn't something the reporters even began to broach, since its importance as a subject is dwarfed by the matter at hand here.

 

[ashokan]

One theme is the way athletics programs can typically be counted on to soft-pedal talented kids who just also happen to be sociopaths. It doesn't just happen at Penn State and it was happening with this guy well before he wound up in Slappy Valley.

Certain media has specific obsession with Paterno and this article is an example of that

Michigan recently paid a half billion to 1000+victims (mostly males) of university physician Dr. Robert Anderson.
Michigan State's athletic doctor Larry Nassar convicted of abusing 150 girls including USA gymnasts
Even RU has convicted rapist and home invaders on its still recent rap sheet.

Many College players are routinely charged/convicted of rape, assault etc and you can be sure a lot of coaches and admins cover things up.

This hit piece (and I never liked Paterno) includes crimes way past dead players playing years in effort to make him seem like CFB's Son of Sam, Zodiac Killer, Boston Stranger etc. As bad as his crimes were, he's not the most notorious football criminal - especially since author uses crimes way beyond his playing days. Other players were big criminals

Philip Adams played for 6 NFL teams including Jets and he killed six people. Rashaun Jones (KC) murdered his fiance an killed himself. Aaron Hernadez, Eric Naposki, Kevin Ware, OJ, Justin Bannan and others were part of notorious murders (NY Giant case Travis Rudolph in court now).

This kind of writing reminds me of Jaws in that it takes some real events and pads them up

“It lives to kill. A mindless eating machine. It will attack and devour anything. It is as if God created the devil and gave him jaws.” — Jaws (1975).

What happened at PSU was terrible but making Penn ST into the black hole of college football/sports really doesn't work.

Its worth keeping in mind the author writes for an outlet owned by Disney who have many people charged with sex crimes. Its telling ESPN is floating 40 yr old Paterno innuendo while its own house is full of criminals and support for groomers

35 Disney Employees Arrested On Child Sex Charges In Less Than 10 Years​

35 Disney Employees Arrested On Child Sex Charges In Less Than 10 Years

35 Disney Employees Arrested On Child Sex Charges In Less Than 10 Years

www.huffpost.com

Disney employees and former judge among 108 arrested in human trafficking sting, Florida police say​

35 Disney Employees Arrested On Child Sex Charges In Less Than 10 Years

35 Disney Employees Arrested On Child Sex Charges In Less Than 10 Years

www.huffpost.com

 

[SHUSource]

Certain media has specific obsession with Paterno and this article is an example of that

Michigan recently paid a half billion to 1000+victims (mostly males) of university physician Dr. Robert Anderson.
Michigan State's athletic doctor Larry Nassar convicted of abusing 150 girls including USA gymnasts
Even RU has convicted rapist and home invaders on its still recent rap sheet.

Many College players are routinely charged/convicted of rape, assault etc and you can be sure a lot of coaches and admins cover things up.

This hit piece (and I never liked Paterno) includes crimes way past dead players playing years in effort to make him seem like CFB's Son of Sam, Zodiac Killer, Boston Stranger etc. As bad as his crimes were, he's not the most notorious football criminal - especially since author uses crimes way beyond his playing days. Other players were big criminals

Philip Adams played for 6 NFL teams including Jets and he killed six people. Rashaun Jones (KC) murdered his fiance an killed himself. Aaron Hernadez, Eric Naposki, Kevin Ware, OJ, Justin Bannan and others were part of notorious murders (NY Giant case Travis Rudolph in court now).

This kind of writing reminds me of Jaws in that it takes some real events and pads them up

“It lives to kill. A mindless eating machine. It will attack and devour anything. It is as if God created the devil and gave him jaws.” — Jaws (1975).

What happened at PSU was terrible but making Penn ST into the black hole of college football/sports really doesn't work.

Its worth keeping in mind the author writes for an outlet owned by Disney who have many people charged with sex crimes. Its telling ESPN is floating 40 yr old Paterno innuendo while its own house is full of criminals and support for groomers

35 Disney Employees Arrested On Child Sex Charges In Less Than 10 Years​

35 Disney Employees Arrested On Child Sex Charges In Less Than 10 Years

35 Disney Employees Arrested On Child Sex Charges In Less Than 10 Years

www.huffpost.com

Disney employees and former judge among 108 arrested in human trafficking sting, Florida police say​

35 Disney Employees Arrested On Child Sex Charges In Less Than 10 Years

35 Disney Employees Arrested On Child Sex Charges In Less Than 10 Years

www.huffpost.com

I think we're in agreement on a lot of this, but I don't see this story as a hit piece on Penn State or Paterno. It certainly lays a good share of blame at their feet (rightfully) for enabling the serial crime this guy enacted, but Penn State is just one place he passed through.

The headline ties the story much more closely to Penn State than it should be, but I think the headline (which was most likely chosen by a digital-side editor and not the writers) is misleading ... or at least does not speak to the longtime and widespread natures of this guy's crimes. But it's not a Penn State story, and invoking Sandusky in the headline was obviously an SEO or clickbait ploy. In a print magazine, that headline would be very different, I'm sure. But the narrative as portrayed is absolutely chilling and relies on no embellishment to be so.

Also, no one has to persuade me as to the ongoing malfeasance of Disney, across almost every one of their channels/ventures.

 

[dconifer]

I do think Penn State had a horrifying football culture problem until the Sandusky thing. Aside from the obvious, you can Google "Kelly Triponey Penn State" to learn all about how the university administration sided with Joe Paterno against a Vice President of Student Affairs when she tried to wrest control of the disciplinary process in the athletic department from Paterno (she resigned as a result). Maybe it's better now; I wouldn't know. I have some friends who attended and adore Penn State, and they are good people. I also know there are scary people in that world who believe Joe Paterno is God. I try not to generalize.

That being said, I learned from the whole "Maryland coach kills players" ESPN extravaganza that they suck, will publish BS because it sells, and will do anything for a glamorous hit piece. So I have a hard time applauding anything they do in this vein...

 

[RUforJERSEY]

This guy was a straight up psychopath.

 

[krup]

a lot of what you address in your second paragraph (" Recruit academically ill-equipped black kids to play ball to feed the egos of boosters" and I'll add make BILLIONS off their play on the field...."Give them degrees but little-to-no education.", etc, etc.), well, that kinda defines the hypocrisy of big time college athletics, doesnt it?

obviously Carolina took it another step forward

just thought it was funny that NOW this article puts PSU above UNC?

UNC was academic fraud. As I said - REALLY REALLY REALLY bad. but even equating that in any way to PSU - just odd to even mention in the same post.

UNC = took your garden variety academic cheating to a new level. really bad cheaters

PSU = really no other description other than pure evil

---FWIW - I understand how the "Carolina Way" thing would piss you off. its the same reason I despise Coach K. He acts above it/ they portray this image of being this super clean program/ doing it right. Theyre as dirty as anyone. How much did Zion get paid? Give me a break.

but again, hypocritical cheaters < covering up and enabling child rape . even mentioning in the same post diminishes the evil that went on at PSU

The NCAA didn’t punish UNC because their academic cheating wasn’t confined to student athletes, and that is the underplayed part of the story.

The UNC story shone a light on the proliferation of worthless degrees being issued by colleges over the past several decades (especially since the government involvement in student loans was expanded), and everyone wanted the UNC story to go away because virtually all colleges are doing the same thing.

 

[kapyoche]

We should honor these women and journalists for exposing this.
Yesterday no one cared about this.
Today, everyone is talking about it.
This is worth a Pulitzer for excellence in journalism.

Why PSU still have a football program?
We are all to blame.
Some things are more powerful than God.

 

[RU848789]

It's a long read, but well worth it. It's a Pulitzer Prize-level quality feature. Early-on, the writers advised that they conducted "hundreds of interviews." As a former journalist, I almost stopped reading when I came across this seemingly implausible nugget. But, by the end, there's no doubt that not only hundreds of interviews were conducted, but that they likely included several hundred, if not, a thousand, or more, hours of content. The research necessary to stitch an article together for a story of this nature is astounding. And, as bethlehem advises, just wait for the last paragraph, which nicely ties the article together. It's a story of gut-wrenching sorrow and tragedy with one constant underlying theme, the hubris of a college football program built on a culture lacking moral, ethical or legal accountability; tragically indifferent to and/or casually accepting of sexual violence; and, endlessly incapable of the sort of self-reflection necessary to address or correct even the most brazenly unconscionable acts of human depravity.

My father sent me to old Rutgers. We are most definitely NOT Penn State. Thank God!

Best post in thread, and I'll go with the last 3 paragraphs, below. Let's hope we never become like Penn State with regard to abdicating all moral responsibility. I want to win, but not at any cost.

Before Jerry Sandusky, there was Todd Hodne. Before the serial sexual predator who ended Paterno's career, there was the serial sexual predator who left his career untouched.

"I remember being in a group for dinner and people were discussing this," Ann Sailor says. "Here, [where she lives in Pennsylvania], it's very pro Penn State. You know, there are an awful lot of Penn State graduates. And I piped up and said, 'There were incidents that happened at Penn State where they kept it under the rug, and it was not talked about.' They just looked at me.' I know for sure. It was just to be kept quiet. And it was kept quiet.'"

Cliff "Clyde" Corbin, who played for Joe Paterno, and who knew Karen and what happened to her, remembers debating with his Nittany Lion teammates Paterno's response—or lack of response—to Sandusky's crimes. "When the whole thing happened, people were reacting like, 'he couldn't have known,'" he says. "I was like, 'Come on - stop.' I love the man. But the buck stopped with him for 50 years. The president of the university was the president in name only when it came to football. The man handled everything."

 

[NotInRHouse]

Certain media has specific obsession with Paterno and this article is an example of that

Michigan recently paid a half billion to 1000+victims (mostly males) of university physician Dr. Robert Anderson.
Michigan State's athletic doctor Larry Nassar convicted of abusing 150 girls including USA gymnasts
Even RU has convicted rapist and home invaders on its still recent rap sheet.

Many College players are routinely charged/convicted of rape, assault etc and you can be sure a lot of coaches and admins cover things up.

This hit piece (and I never liked Paterno) includes crimes way past dead players playing years in effort to make him seem like CFB's Son of Sam, Zodiac Killer, Boston Stranger etc. As bad as his crimes were, he's not the most notorious football criminal - especially since author uses crimes way beyond his playing days. Other players were big criminals

Philip Adams played for 6 NFL teams including Jets and he killed six people. Rashaun Jones (KC) murdered his fiance an killed himself. Aaron Hernadez, Eric Naposki, Kevin Ware, OJ, Justin Bannan and others were part of notorious murders (NY Giant case Travis Rudolph in court now).

This kind of writing reminds me of Jaws in that it takes some real events and pads them up

“It lives to kill. A mindless eating machine. It will attack and devour anything. It is as if God created the devil and gave him jaws.” — Jaws (1975).

What happened at PSU was terrible but making Penn ST into the black hole of college football/sports really doesn't work.

Its worth keeping in mind the author writes for an outlet owned by Disney who have many people charged with sex crimes. Its telling ESPN is floating 40 yr old Paterno innuendo while its own house is full of criminals and support for groomers

35 Disney Employees Arrested On Child Sex Charges In Less Than 10 Years​

35 Disney Employees Arrested On Child Sex Charges In Less Than 10 Years

35 Disney Employees Arrested On Child Sex Charges In Less Than 10 Years

www.huffpost.com

Disney employees and former judge among 108 arrested in human trafficking sting, Florida police say​

35 Disney Employees Arrested On Child Sex Charges In Less Than 10 Years

35 Disney Employees Arrested On Child Sex Charges In Less Than 10 Years

www.huffpost.com

Call me when MSU has a statue of Nassar, UF of Hernandez, etc...

They are a Cult. No other school outside of Baylor had worse and multiple cover ups over a span of decades.

Maybe Baylor fans are cultish, not sure because there's so few of them here. But this Cult is in our conference and their fans are unfortunately in NJ so it's worth discussion.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Best post in thread, and I'll go with the last 3 paragraphs, below. Let's hope we never become like Penn State with regard to abdicating all moral responsibility. I want to win, but not at any cost.

Before Jerry Sandusky, there was Todd Hodne. Before the serial sexual predator who ended Paterno's career, there was the serial sexual predator who left his career untouched.

"I remember being in a group for dinner and people were discussing this," Ann Sailor says. "Here, [where she lives in Pennsylvania], it's very pro Penn State. You know, there are an awful lot of Penn State graduates. And I piped up and said, 'There were incidents that happened at Penn State where they kept it under the rug, and it was not talked about.' They just looked at me.' I know for sure. It was just to be kept quiet. And it was kept quiet.'"

Cliff "Clyde" Corbin, who played for Joe Paterno, and who knew Karen and what happened to her, remembers debating with his Nittany Lion teammates Paterno's response—or lack of response—to Sandusky's crimes. "When the whole thing happened, people were reacting like, 'he couldn't have known,'" he says. "I was like, 'Come on - stop.' I love the man. But the buck stopped with him for 50 years. The president of the university was the president in name only when it came to football. The man handled everything."

And remember the prosecutor that mysteriously died, and somehow here the judge just released the guy?

The stink arising out of that place is something...it's hard to contemplate in 2022 that another town and university could get away with such a long term coverup, and that if it did it would be whitewashed to the extent allowed over there.

 

[srru86]

The NCAA didn’t punish UNC because their academic cheating wasn’t confined to student athletes, and that is the underplayed part of the story.

Actually UNC had two different public positions on this based on the audience. Totally hypocritical.

To the accreditation agency they maintained that no student of any sort used the credits granted for the bogus classes towards graduation. UNC said we won't allow any more fake classes going forward, and their accreditation suspension was lifted.

To the NCAA they said plenty of students that were not athletes also use the classes to maintain academic standing so it wasn't a impermissible benefit to athletes. Hence no athletic eligibility issue. The NCAA folded like a cheap suit.

If we take UNC at their word (which we shouldn't) the bogus classes didn't help anybody graduate but did keep athletes on the field/court.

We'll never know if any of that is true because they hid any details behind "student confidentially". Things like were the non-athletes in the course the kids of athletics donors? The accreditors and NCAA never compared notes and nobody in the press had enough information to know.

When the NCAA was founded it had two goals. Stop kids from dying on the football field, and keep ringers off the teams. The second one didn't happen with the Tarheels.

 

[srru86]

And remember the prosecutor that mysteriously died, and somehow here the judge just released the guy?

The stink arising out of that place is something...it's hard to contemplate in 2022 that another town and university could get away with such a long term coverup, and that if it did it would be whitewashed to the extent allowed

As jsol_05 reminds us...

NotInRHouse said:
The entire town structure is on the Cult. The police there answered to JoePa.

Ray Gricar, that’s all I have to say.


While the PSU thing is more evil than UNC - I can't blame NCAA for JoPa as much. The NCAA whiffed in Happy Valley, yes. But it's a failure far beyond the sports rule book. The rot in Centre County and PA enabled by the cult, goes way beyond eligibility or student records.

 

[ashokan]

Call me when MSU has a statue of Nassar, UF of Hernandez, etc...

They are a Cult. No other school outside of Baylor had worse and multiple cover ups over a span of decades.

Maybe Baylor fans are cultish, not sure because there's so few of them here. But this Cult is in our conference and their fans are unfortunately in NJ so it's worth discussion.

I agree the Penn State scene became cultish
The "Hate Paterno" thing is also somewhat cultish
This overcooked article is rooted in that that scene
Fact is America itself became toilet for culture
Perverted stuff was/is promoted all the time - and from earlier and earlier ages.
I've never gone along with the "shock and awe" of these seedy events because they have become common
CNN just blew-up because it was full of weirdos
These are the same kind of people who want to defend warping kids while dwelling on others not in their tribe
You can get away with a lot if part of the protected crowd

 

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I agree the Penn State scene became cultish
The "Hate Paterno" thing is also somewhat cultish
This overcooked article is rooted in that that scene
Fact is America itself became toilet for culture
Perverted stuff was/is promoted all the time - and from earlier and earlier ages.
I've never gone along with the "shock and awe" of these seedy events because they have become common
CNN just blew-up because it was full of weirdos
These are the same kind of people who want to defend warping kids while dwelling on others not in their tribe
You can get away with a lot if part of the protected crowd

So Paterno wasn't as bad as claimed and reporting about what happened should not have been so thorough
Got it 💩

 

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So Paterno wasn't as bad as claimed and reporting about what happened should not have been so thorough
Got it 💩

Is Greg as bad "as claimed" in certain place?
Greg lost a TN job because he supposedly was "in on it" as well.
Paterno gets made out as bigger criminal than Sandusky (disliked Paterno and vice versa) and that's part of the derangement.
Greg gets made guilty via the derangement as well

One reason I back off these Paterno shock and awe stories is because I know there is an element that would love to see GS be tangled-up in it

Lawmakers who questioned Greg Schiano applaud when Tennessee deal collapses

State's lawmakers had expressed concern about Greg Schiano's links to the Jerry Sandusky case at Penn State

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