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This is a very odd burn. It’s really just pointless trolling I think.
 
One thing is for sure, ODs are up and are a serious issue across the nation. I wouldn't doubt the numbers are on the rise, however, deaths did not total 1250 like you are claiming.
Very timely article. I assumed he was talking about decriminalizing all drugs in Oregon, not just cannabis.

This article uses percentages, but I’ve seen the 1250 number elsewhere.
“In 2019, 280 people died of a drug overdose in Oregon. Fatalities rose every year after, more than tripling by 2022, when 956 died. And last year, even more people died, according to preliminary data. Each month the number has been higher than the previous year, reaching 628 in June. The state is still compiling data for 2023, but if the trends continue, the total would reach 1,250 deaths from an overdose.”

 
Pot was legalized in 2014 in Oregon. The earliest date cited in that article was 2019. That's suggestive that some other factor other than legalization of pot is leading to the ODs.

The article says 280 narcotic ODs in 2019. With another 965 in 2022. That's a big jump. But legalization being in 2014, it's kind of hard to say that jump is due to legalization. Article says the numbers are still being compiled for 2023.

Also, the article is predominately about Fentanyl and appears to have nothing whatsoever in it that supports your conjecture that there is any kind of correlation between legalization of pot and Fentanyl ODs.

In short, the link you provided there does not support a narrative about a correlation between legalization and Fentanyl overdose deaths. Maybe there IS a correlation. I don't know.

But I do know you have yet to make a valid case for it.
I do know a good number of people smoking weed and eating gummies for pain and anxiety in which they had been prescribed Opioids and other additive medicines that do lead to OD's. And they are smoking pot instead of taking the pills.
So- I can't find any reason legalized pot has anything to do with OD's that are mostly happening because of fentanyl and opioid addiction.
 
Maybe, but people are more prone to believe outlandish things when there's a track record of media reporting things that turn out to later be outlandish.
I don't recall a time when the media was necessarily suddenly worse than it has always been. I must be missing something. Over 100 years ago the term yellow journalism was coined. There has always been good and bad in news reporting. My sense is more that it's the public and their demands and expectations that have changed more than that the media changed. This might be in part due to the changes brought about by Lee Atwater, who started the radicalization of Republican voters by insisting on demonizing Democrats with words like "sick" and "disgusting" and mailings that claimed things like Democrats wanted to outlaw the Bible. It set us down a bad path.
 
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I don't recall a time when the media was necessarily suddenly worse than it has always been. I must be missing something. Over 100 years ago the term yellow journalism was coined. There has always been good and bad in news reporting. My sense is more that it's the public and their demands and expectations that have changed more than that the media changed. This might be in part due to the changes brought about by Lee Atwater, who started the radicalization of Republican voters by insisting on demonizing Democrats with words like "sick" and "disgusting" and mailings that claimed things like Democrats wanted to outlaw the Bible. It set us down a bad path.
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So- I can't find any reason legalized pot has anything to do with OD's that are mostly happening because of fentanyl and opioid addiction.
I'm not sure how often it happens, but people who smoke pot can be either exposed to other drugs and begin them due to the surrounding group/peer pressure or pot smokers look for alternatives to their usual and experiment with more potent substances.
 
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Pot was legalized in 2014 in Oregon. The earliest date cited in that article was 2019. That's suggestive that some other factor other than legalization of pot is leading to the ODs.

The article says 280 narcotic ODs in 2019. With another 965 in 2022. That's a big jump. But legalization being in 2014, it's kind of hard to say that jump is due to legalization. Article says the numbers are still being compiled for 2023.

Also, the article is predominately about Fentanyl and appears to have nothing whatsoever in it that supports your conjecture that there is any kind of correlation between legalization of pot and Fentanyl ODs.

In short, the link you provided there does not support a narrative about a correlation between legalization and Fentanyl overdose deaths. Maybe there IS a correlation. I don't know.

But I do know you have yet to make a valid case for it.


There are other articles. You can find 1250 ODs in 2023 if you look.
 
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I'm not sure how often it happens, but people who smoke pot can be either exposed to other drugs and begin them due to the surrounding group/peer pressure or pot smokers look for alternatives to their usual and experiment with more potent substances.
While I get that- I don’t think legalization has anything to do with it.
We have been talking forever about pot being the gateway drug. Not sure how true, it may be the chicken or egg argument.
And unless someone has been sleeping in the woods for the past decade, OD’s are coming from the Opioid/ fentanyl problem, not legalized pot.
 
There are other articles. You can find 1250 ODs in 2023 if you look.
I am not saying there are no ODs. I’m saying there’s no evidence the ODs are in any way related to legalization of pot. OTOH, there is evidence that there’s no correlation.
 
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None of it is a good idea. A bunch of far right wingers take over a federal property by force and get away scot-free. Moral hazard. No reason not to do it again. But if you're a politician you're often now in a position of damned if you, damned if you don't. Disney found this out in Florida: don't condemn a state law enough and workers create an uproar and resign, condemn it too much and the governor is after you. America has become a place where small groups of loud and pushy people run the dialogue.
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I've generally found that guys who post about somebody "pulling the strings" are spending way too much time all by themselves pulling their own "strings".

I would like to get the oranges of these claims. Has anyone looked at the supply change for them? I heard Nikki Haley took over the supply change on Jan 6, after George Washington took the airports from the Yo Semites who nuked the hurricane.
 
You're mentioning examples from the right. But both sides do that stuff. And I would argue it's indeed about polarization.

Neither side believes they do it. Both sides do it ALL THE TIME. Just depends on who's in office, an R or D, at any given time.

Trump is very unique in our history in that an unusually large amount of the demonization, but not all of it, thrown at him is actually well-deserved. Even his own people eventually echoed many of the things coming from the Dems, and still do.

But before him, it was NOT well-deserved by any president of either party. It was just the typical scandal mongering that both sides do. Or do you forgot how Democrats treated both Bushes? Was pretty despicable, same as how the Reps treated Obama and the Clintons. Again, both sides do that crap.

Very far left wing people believe in single payer healthcare

Very far right people believe Taylor Swift is a Pentagon plant and that the Constitution should be terminated.

The very far left is Bernie Sanders. The very far right is wearing "Camp Auschwitz" sweatshirts and beating the police with the American flag.

What you're saying had more currency before the very far right decided to cast their lot with a rapist.

If you don't believe it, just ask the righties what they think about John McCain, Mitt Romney or Liz Cheney. It's very much one group of people responsible for 99% of the problems.
 
Very timely article. I assumed he was talking about decriminalizing all drugs in Oregon, not just cannabis.

This article uses percentages, but I’ve seen the 1250 number elsewhere.
“In 2019, 280 people died of a drug overdose in Oregon. Fatalities rose every year after, more than tripling by 2022, when 956 died. And last year, even more people died, according to preliminary data. Each month the number has been higher than the previous year, reaching 628 in June. The state is still compiling data for 2023, but if the trends continue, the total would reach 1,250 deaths from an overdose.”


The problem of course that about 24 other states have legal weed and didn't have this problem.

There are areas of the country with big drug problems. I don't believe there's any dispensaries on Staten Island for example, but check out the overdose rate versus a lot of other places in NYC/S and NJ.
 
The problem of course that about 24 other states have legal weed and didn't have this problem.

There are areas of the country with big drug problems. I don't believe there's any dispensaries on Staten Island for example, but check out the overdose rate versus a lot of other places in NYC/S and NJ.
I agree that legalized weed wouldn’t cause this significant of a rise in overdoses. Oregon didn’t just legalize weed, they decriminalized all drug possession. There’s a great chance that is what caused this increase but I’m not sure there’s been studies just yet.
 
I agree that legalized weed wouldn’t cause this significant of a rise in overdoses. Oregon didn’t just legalize weed, they decriminalized all drug possession. There’s a great chance that is what caused this increase but I’m not sure there’s been studies just yet.

We have comps there too. Portugal for example has been very successful in decriminalization. NJ actually had some moves to drug courts- ironically under Christie who also did bail reform before an Australian billionaire decided he could demagogue those things.

PNW- Seattle and Vancouver too- had these issues for as long as I can remember. A lot of it is probably the weather. But can't blame anyone for that so...
 
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We have comps there too. Portugal for example has been very successful in decriminalization. NJ actually had some moves to drug courts- ironically under Christie who also did bail reform before an Australian billionaire decided he could demagogue those things.

PNW- Seattle and Vancouver too- had these issues for as long as I can remember. A lot of it is probably the weather. But can't blame anyone for that so...
Uruguay too I believe.
 
Uruguay too I believe.

They have legal weed for sure. They were technically the first on that, as in the Netherlands it's not legal but "tolerated." Then you had Canada and kinda sorta Thailand. And here in the US we had state level.

But in Portugal they basically just send everyone on drug offenses outside of distribution to drug court where they get sentenced to rehab. That IMO is common sense.

At this point in the US, if Oregon is just fining people and letting them walk, that is much different as they're not getting help and truly what decriminalizing is all about. That said, the one guy is trying to blame legal weed which is a joke. And also, for the "small government" types it's pretty hilarious to watch them call for more laws, more jail and more government spending.

But when it's an AR-15 in a classroom...well we can't do anything about that because that would hurt muh freedoms, and also criminals don't follow the law. So let's not have more laws, unless they're about uteruses, weed, books, or drag queens.
 
The problem of course that about 24 other states have legal weed and didn't have this problem.

There are areas of the country with big drug problems. I don't believe there's any dispensaries on Staten Island for example, but check out the overdose rate versus a lot of other places in NYC/S and NJ.
The hypocrisy here--and of course there's hypocrisy, they're conservatives--is that normally they couldn't possibly care less about addicts and say good riddance when an addict ODs, yet they complain that legalizing pot allegedly leads to an increase in ODs (with OTHER drugs, which makes no sense).
 
There are other articles. You can find 1250 ODs in 2023 if you look.
The point was you cited an article but misquoted what the number represented. That's all.
While I get that- I don’t think legalization has anything to do with it.
We have been talking forever about pot being the gateway drug. Not sure how true, it may be the chicken or egg argument.
And unless someone has been sleeping in the woods for the past decade, OD’s are coming from the Opioid/ fentanyl problem, not legalized pot.
I was grasping for small straws on that one. Legalized means easier access, which can result in a rise in other experimental use I suppose. I dont think many would dispute ODs are coming from the heavy hitters and not the tokers.
 
The point was you cited an article but misquoted what the number represented. That's all.

I was grasping for small straws on that one. Legalized means easier access, which can result in a rise in other experimental use I suppose. I dont think many would dispute ODs are coming from the heavy hitters and not the tokers.
And I would take i the other way- legalizing Pot allows some that do it for anxiety and pain to do it legally rather than find or use additive prescription drugs.

Those that would have bought pot from dealers would have been more pressured into additive drugs- legalized pot dealers would rather you just keep toking
 
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And I would take i the other way- legalizing Pot allows some that do it for anxiety and pain to do it legally rather than find or use additive prescription drugs.

Those that would have bought pot from dealers would have been more pressured into additive drugs- legalized pot dealers would rather you just keep toking
Touche'!!!
 
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