Since legalization the number of ODs and homeless is way up. In Oregon the number of ODs went from about 250 to over 1200 last year. Liberals only like stats he support their politics.
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I'll take any data from a reasonable source. Insurance companies are good because they use the data to calculate rates and as a regulated business they need to present data to the regulators so it is subject to review.Are you looking for official government reports outlining why police aren't being called for petty crimes that contribute to the Broken Window theory because the prosecutors throw the cases out even if the cops show up, take reports, and collar the crook red handed? Good luck with that.
Ignoring Shoplifting Turns Convenience Stores into Minefields
When I learned that an alleged shoplifter was stabbed to death Thursday by a drugstore clerk in Times Square, I was surprised only that the killing had happened at the CVS at Broadway and 49th Street, not at the Duane Reade at Broadway and 50th Street. Over more than three years, since New...manhattan.institute
Did you see my earlier link to the National retail federations statement on shoplifting?
I have a job, you're the bored retiree. Do your own research.
Why would anybody here trust the numbers you’re tossing out? How do we know you’re not making them up, or getting them from someone who’s making them up, ot that that person got them from someone who;s making them up, or fudging them, or just simply incorrect?
And what magical power do you possess to know what all the many millions of individual liberals, or many millions of individual conservatives, like or dislike?
Why would anybody ever accept that answer? I’d think most people discard unproven facts or un-sourced data made by random people online. I just assume it’s BS , unless for some reason I already know the source of the facts/data.
its true. Why do you think he's been so quiet? Who do you think is pulling the strings? Obama said it himself, his dream would be to run the country from the basement of the WH.
I have been and I find nothing that supports what you claim.
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Obama's running the country from an underground bunker? C'mon now. Next you're gonna tell us Michele's a man, man. Or that Trump's got Jeffrey Epstein living in his basement as his personal live love toy. Or that Hunter Biden is actually the illegitimate love-child of Ron Reagan and Ann Coulter's mom.
I've generally found that guys who post about somebody "pulling the strings" are spending way too much time all by themselves pulling their own "strings".
You can look the numbers up yourself. Search Oregon and overdose deaths. You can check the CDC or Oregon.gov
Yesterday's NYT has a story on the issue. I would link it but it is behind a pay wall. Here is one from Oregon.
Latest data show overdoses continue to skyrocket in Oregon
The state is still compiling data for 2023, but if the trends continue, the total would reach 1,250 deaths from an overdose.
www.opb.org
Your turn. Why would anyone trust you when you are too lazy to do a little research?
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Trying to explain reality to far lefties is a fruitless endeavor.
Their minds are hopelessly brainwashed - as displayed ITT.
They have crossed the point of no return.
It’s a waste of time with their ilk.
Well at least the board’s leading intellectual agrees with you.
Who is OD'ing on legalized pot?
Yeah...unlike reactionaries, who love stats that don't support their politics.
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Maybe, but you can't convince people of outlandish things unless they want to believe them. There are an awful lot of people more than willing to believe absurd things that fit with their preconceived notions, like the idea of a 70 year old former first lady running a pedophile ring. It's easy to blame people at the top but the grassroots deserves it's share of the blame and they're driving many of the issues with politicians and media following.
Nowadays, people determine the truth of a narrative by the volume of sheer repetition of that narrative. They are bombarded 24/7 with dozens of anecdotes that support the narrative. Eventually, the nonstop bombardment weakens the believers wee minds and elements of the narrative eventually morph into pseudo-statistics.
"But it must be true. Everybody says it's true. Everybody knows it's true."
Blend that with the nonstop demonization of any source of information that might contradict the narrative, and we get the perfect storm of misinformation. Massive numbers of people not only accept the misinformation without question, they will staunchly refuse to even consider any evidence they've been deceived.
"It can't be misinformation. Only the other side engages in misinformation. My side would never lie to me."
I boggles the mind how people can refuse to acknowledge, even to themselves, their incredibly obvious complicity in all this.
This can never improve until people stop pointing fingers at others and take on their own sources of information. Until people reject their chosen information sources with the same energy they reject "the other side's" sources of information.
I don't believe it will ever improve. I think it will just grow worse.
It's always hysterical to hear partisan hacks making claims about the other side as if their side doesn't do the same things.
All true. Which leads me to the question: why? Why all the shrieking about how bad things are when they aren't? Why all the attacks on media, doctors, science, the voting process, etc. in a country where people live so well and don't have reason to attack the validity of every authority imaginable? It would be understandable in a crumbling society like Venezuela. It makes no sense in pampered, overfed America. I'm always led back to the same conclusion: Americans are more spoiled and full of big opinions than ever, more sure of their beliefs courtesy of the internet, and want their way on everything. When they can't get it they throw temper tantrums.
I'm not trying to sell any kind of narrative. Not a left-leaning narrative. Not a right-leaning narrative. None. I don't care how anybody votes. I don't care what anybody thinks.
I only care about accuracy and validity, because without those, we're all lost no matter what team we play for. So the only thing I'm selling is that people (on both sides) should stop believing all the BS narratives they're being fed by their chosen sources of information. Both sides are lying to their people. Both sides use the same deceptive tactics to misinform their viewers.
And what's worse, a great deal of the BS being spread on the internet these days isn't even coming from domestic information sources. It's cooked up in Chinese and Russian, and to a lesser extent Iranian and North Korean, intelligence agencies. Then it's spread through fake accounts on social media.
FFS, think about it. Who benefits from a deeply divided United States? We certainly don't benefit here in the US. Those other nations do.
All you wingnuts who keep repeating the dumb-ass narratives you've been force-fed? You need to stop. You're not making anything better by bitching on the internet. All you're accomplishing is helping our enemies around the world divide the United States electorate.
All of you. On both sides. Give it a fvcking rest already.
To understand why, you need to understand who benefits from a deeply polarized United States. I can tell you that the vast majority of citizens of the United States do NOT benefit. That much is obvious.
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Unfortunately, the far on both side are the ones that benefit. And there is never anything good about anyone that benefits by polarizing anything.
Almost nobody within the US benefits.
There's nothing wrong with having differences of opinion. Having multiple viewpoints is a good thing. Finding consensus and compromise while dealing with the incredibly complex realities of the world is a useful exercise.
But nowadays, consensus and compromise are considered dirty words. Look at the wingnuts who spend all their time finger-pointing and demonizing other groups. They're some of the lowest intelligence people who ever participate in this forum. And they HATE consensus and compromise.
I heard someone the other day say we should just give up and split the US in two (the implication being to split along political lines). Well that's just brilliant. Maybe they work for Chinese intelligence?
It's not always about polarization. It's often just about people believing outlandish things, like Hillary Clinton running a pedophile ring in the basement of a pizzeria. Or not wanting to believe good news about the economy--I can't get into or out of an airport they're always so crammed with people traveling 365 days a year. Or not wanting to believe doctors. There is too much willingness to believe the worst or have skepticism of too many people and institutions. It's an ugly reflection of many Americans.
You're mentioning examples from the right. But both sides do that stuff. And I would argue it's indeed about polarization.
Neither side believes they do it. Both sides do it ALL THE TIME. Just depends on who's in office, an R or D, at any given time.
Trump is very unique in our history in that an unusually large amount of the demonization, but not all of it, thrown at him is actually well-deserved. Even his own people eventually echoed many of the things coming from the Dems, and still do.
But before him, it was NOT well-deserved by any president of either party. It was just the typical scandal mongering that both sides do. Or do you forgot how Democrats treated both Bushes? Was pretty despicable, same as how the Reps treated Obama and the Clintons. Again, both sides do that crap.
But you're just focusing on politics. We have people attacking doctors. It's one thing to say "I think a vaccine was rushed and I don't trust pharmaceutical companies." It's another thing to say--without evidence--"doctors are all on the take from pharmaceutical companies, that's why they're pushing vaccines." That's a lack of trust in people and institutions without much reason for it.
I think political polarization produces a ton of angry people. That anger spills over into arenas not traditionally so deeply impacted by politics.
I guess that's in part due to the internet.
But again, w/respect to lack of trust in people like doctors, or lack of trust in institutions. It's US political polarization that can be leveraged to attack Americans. North Korea, for example, is unable to defeat the US economically or militarily. So what can they do? Convincing Americans to avoid vaccines that can keep them alive, or convincing them to distrust the FBI/CIA/NSA... that's one of the very few attack vectors available to them.
There's no such thing as a perfect human organization. No such thing as the perfect vaccine with zero side-effects. A healthy US culture recognizes that fact and doesn't attack itself over it.
But an unhealthy, deeply polarized US culture can be easily manipulated, right? Both sides are primed to believe anything that can be used to paint their political/ideological opposition in a negative light. Facts be damned. It's child's play to find some disaffected nutjob doctors or to cherry pick a few research studies on side-effects that haven't even been peer-reviewed yet, and seed social media with posts about how this "evidence" proves this, that or the other thing. Create a few new "news" websites and contribute some articles all about it. Next thing you know, you've got a massive us vs them narrative cooking.
Meanwhile, over on the other side, push fear-mongering articles and posts about people dying from COVID. Scare the living piss out of as many people as you can. Seed social media with posts about how awful people who won't wear masks are. Etc. And now you've got some nice us vs them narrative cooking there, too.
Can't invade America. But can sure get Americans at each other's throats. Can produce gridlock in DC. Can manipulate Americans into always electing a president from the opposite party from whomever the current president is. Keep shifting congress around so as to prevent any hope of the US engaging in long term planning and policies in geopolitics.
Easiest thing ever to do. And it's working.
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The FACT is ODs are up significantly. Oregon went from around 250 to 1250.
#stats, #science
Pot was legalized in 2014 in Oregon. The earliest date cited in that article was 2019. That's suggestive that some other factor other than legalization of pot is leading to the ODs.
The article says 280 narcotic ODs in 2019. With another 965 in 2022. That's a big jump. But legalization being in 2014, it's kind of hard to say that jump is due to legalization. Article says the numbers are still being compiled for 2023.
Also, the article is predominately about Fentanyl and appears to have nothing whatsoever in it that supports your conjecture that there is any kind of correlation between legalization of pot and Fentanyl ODs.
In short, the link you provided there does not support a narrative about a correlation between legalization and Fentanyl overdose deaths. Maybe there IS a correlation. I don't know.
But I do know you have yet to make a valid case for it.
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One thing is for sure, ODs are up and are a serious issue across the nation. I wouldn't doubt the numbers are on the rise, however, deaths did not total 1250 like you are claiming.
I remember talk that the clamping down on young adults and teens and prescription pills like oxys and percs made users look for alternatives and that alternative was street heroin and hence fentanyl. That sure how accurate that is but it would make sense.
EDIT: Found it:
How cracking down on America's painkiller capital led to a heroin crisis
Critics say Florida’s efforts to contain an epidemic unleashed within its borders have only had limited effect in curbing one crisis while making another worse
Maybe, but people are more prone to believe outlandish things when there's a track record of media reporting things that turn out to later be outlandish.
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