Same situation with football for my sister. However, our old rival from before we went big time just threw a wrench into the works. :cry: It is hard to compete with them when they want you.
OT--Took my nephew on a tour of Rutgers
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Other than Business, what other majors can eventually be helpful in in the business fields--Economics ? Pre-law ?
Also has any FYI, Rutgers does not have a legacy program like other colleges do. Wife and I both graduated from RU. Seems a shame one of our daughters may not be accepted even though she exceeds the average numbers for incoming freshman. Odd that a family with two alumni, a long history of donations and 36 year season ticket holder doesn't factor into the decisions, at least even as a tie breaker.
You sound like my dad!!!!!! I hope my sister is selected for the Honors College because that would give us a real chance. I also hope we do a great job on her official in two weeks.
If one wants to work in this area one is better off at William Paterson or Montclair State than some of these out of state schools with pretty campuses. I'm not joking. Nothing at all against ECU or the like: they serve a purpose for their local and regional population...but, why a Jersey kid? Does it have something to do with kids seeing college as a four year getaway with fancy amenities and football? I guess so.
Pre-law is sort of an amorphous polyglot - at least in my era - do they actually have majors called that now? Typically some of the small elite schools don't have business majors so many of the pre-MBA types major in economics - though coming from small elite schools often means that you can get into quality MBA programs without a business background especially if you have a finance related job right out of school. I think if I were going to RU and were interested in an MBA it would probably be better to major in business if wanted to try for a strong MBA program, but that's something that, hopefully, the placement office or business school advisor could advise on.
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Princeton, for example, has no business major: another reason to admire that august institution. No medical school, law school, or hotel management school either. Bless them.
I love RU, but if an Ivy comes calling I pick up the phone and have a very personal conversation.
She is not picking a school based on a pretty campus and football. Save your insults; gives us a little more credit than that. We have done our homework and know these schools inside and out.
Retired Doctor here, educated in NE at Univ. of Rochester,Univ of Buffalo, Univ. of Rochester for Intern and residency. It matters very little what Nursing School you go to, as long as it is accredited and has a good faculty. With good grades and clinical training, the Age of Nursing Specialization is very clearly upon us as a nation.. ARNPs, PACs, and Nurse Anesthetists are the future of Nursing, especially financially. The only other financially secure choice is Administration, and the responsibility there is tremendous.
It matters less where you go to receive your training, it matters much more what your academics are, and how you perform under pressure.
More and more duties, that at one time were being carried out by RNs are now being done by LPNs.
Direct Admission is always preferable to delayed admission
It matters less where you go to receive your training, it matters much more what your academics are, and how you perform under pressure.
More and more duties, that at one time were being carried out by RNs are now being done by LPNs.
Direct Admission is always preferable to delayed admission
Thanks very much for asking, Veiox - after having a number of opportunities from Div I, Div II (limited number of good choices) and Div III programs and after the usual twists and turns in the recruiting process, she decided that she would be most comfortable at one of the small DIII (obviously non-scholarship) academic schools and after visiting several of those schools she chose Middlebury, which she loved immediately when she had her official visit (despite it being pretty much the coldest location of any college east of the Mississippi :) ) and we're very excited for her. It's a great school and very good tennis program, thought it wasn't the top academic or top tennis program (even among the academic schools) she could have played at. It was the school she just felt the most comfortable at and we certainly support that decision. And the good news is that I (not a very young dad) get to work for the rest of my life to pay for it! :) Thanks again for asking.
Congrats to her. A teammate (thrower) from my sister's club team will be attending Middlebury next fall. A great school! You will not be retiring for awhile.
Someone help me understand why parents pay out of state tuition for state/public schools with marginal academic reputations. I understand with some of the top publics like UVA, but NJ sends so many to out of state publics at private school rates. So unless there is a specific program or major, I don't quite get it. What am I missing?
If my experience says anything, a lot of kids who don't want to go to Rutgers simply don't like the campus. They don't like the bus system and the general disjointedness. It's understandable. For those families with money, they just want to keep their kids happy so they pay out of state tuition for inferior academic schools simply because their kids like the campus more.
If you read the master plan, Rutgers is focusing on beautifying and "joining" the campuses by making transportation easier.
My daughter was accepted at RU and wait listed at Villanova (business). (late 90's). Wound up getting into Villanova and has done pretty well. First job out of college was with Bloomberg. Upside for Nova was it was smaller, downside if she went to RU she would have graduated debt free, even though Nova gave her some $$, she still wound up graduating with about $20K in loans (a pittance to what I hear some kids now have). Also cost dad a few more bucks than RU would have cost him.
My question isn't RU or not RU... It is why spend out of state tuition on an "OK" public? I'm sure there a a few good reasons (legacy, family, VERY specific major) but most don't make $ sense. If yore going to spend that much why not go private?
As I said above there's nothing really to.figure out...just totally illogical decision making based on meaningless factors like campus amenities/atmosphere and "getting away." I mean really...Delaware and URI? UMass? Freaking SUNY Buffalo? Absolutely nonsensical choices unless you are just rich enough that it doesn't matter. Out of state publics that might be worth it would be UVA, Michigan, Cal, UNC....maybe Texas.
Almost all private universities outside of the very top tier are also a bad investment. I don't know what the hell someone is thinking when they go to Fairleigh Dickinson.
There is absolutely no point in being a prelaw major, assuming there is such a thing. I know there are legal studies departments, but they aren't valuable either. I would suggest Rutgers because if the student changes his or her mind, there are plenty of other majors available.
U Del and UConn are two examples I don't understand. A lot of Jersey kids end up there and similar "OK" publics, SMH. As far as the non-top tier privates (and I include SHU here in a big way) if u want to stay local but can't get into RU, TCNJ, or some of the better local privates (Princeton, NYU, uPenn, ...) then you go there for one of two reasons. Either you can pay so you are in regardless of grades/SATs, or in the case of Monmouth, FDU, Muhlenberg, etc. you play a sport and are getting $ that you won't get from a public so the cost difference isn't a consideration.
Choosing a college based on one program, particularly a professional program, is just not the best idea. Education isn't job training and most 18 year olds don't know what they want to do anyway.
People go Delaware and UConn over RU because they perceived as much more user friendly campus wise and much safer and nicer town Wisa and (rightly or wrongly) more of a party school environment. Also, sadly UMass, UConn and many mid-tier Catholic schools are chosen Over RU since they are considered "less diverse". The latter has been going on for decades, again sadly.
I agree with your general premise. However some out of state options are looking like they will be significantly less than RU. One looks like it may be 12-13K per year less based on scholarship monies they are offering.
Interesting point ... That some people pick a school based on LESS diversity. Kinda explains PSU,U Del, UConn, and WVU appeal to some. For me RU is more of a reflection of the real world the students will spend the rest of their lives in.
Congrats to your daughter. I have been very involved in a number of sports and have seen kids consumed by having to play D1. One of the coaches of my daughters softball team went to major D1 softball factory. Got a total of 30 at bats in 4 years. Might have been better playing at a lower level and getting playing time.
They do it for the kids. The kids feel comfortable at the school so the parents must pay.
Are you aluding that these schools are mostly white and that white kids want to go to them?
And if so, is it sad only if the desire to 'be with ones own' is in relation to whites or does this sentiment also apply to the black kid who wants to go to a TBC?
UDel, along with a lot of the Philly schools are also closer than New Brunswick for a lot of South NJ kids.
this is very true. outside of the northeast many people will not even recognize those schools you listed except RU. go internationally, RU will most definitely be the most recognized in that list period. if you want to go into business, why get shelled up in a small school like nova, lehigh, etc. go to a big school like RU. meet a lot of kids. that's what i tell my kids. don't go to a dinky little school that's like another high school. go out. learn to survive in a big school. just like the real world out there.
Hudson.. do you think Lehigh's rep is connected to the emphasis on engineering and all the math that comes with that? I can definitely see how employers and MBA programs would favor someone with a math-oriented undergrad.
Thanks!
But it would seem the one who thinks freedom of association is sad would be a wee bit more deserving of the fascist label them the one defending it.
Sorry, Heaven, for the momentary hijack.
I am an out of stater who, after Cornell......made a list of plusses and minuses ...and Rutgers came out VERY HIGH on my list for a graduate degree in 1982. In fact as a SUNY kind of guy,,,Rutgers far outstripped anything SUNY could offer me!
After some departmental "help"(SMLR>>>school of management and labor relations gave me a research assistantship)....Rutgers was a NO BRAINER. The Labor Relations school is 2nd to only Cornell in my book! So for my purposes RU.....was a match made in heaven. lehigh, Umass, Villanova...all good places......but unless they give some great financial help..it would be RUTGERS for me!!!!!!
As a student>>>>I milked every OUNCE of the history of RU...its beautiful campus.....its open spaces.....I snuck into Kirkpatrick Chapel more than once just to bask in its atmosphere>>>I do not regret my choice of RU ever....as it has served me well all my life
And since 1982,,RU has only gotten better...Livingston used to be like a hidden enclave..now its a focal point.!!!!!
Thanks for the post HEAVEN......I love these kind of posts...I get a tad weepy actually LOL
After some departmental "help"(SMLR>>>school of management and labor relations gave me a research assistantship)....Rutgers was a NO BRAINER. The Labor Relations school is 2nd to only Cornell in my book! So for my purposes RU.....was a match made in heaven. lehigh, Umass, Villanova...all good places......but unless they give some great financial help..it would be RUTGERS for me!!!!!!
As a student>>>>I milked every OUNCE of the history of RU...its beautiful campus.....its open spaces.....I snuck into Kirkpatrick Chapel more than once just to bask in its atmosphere>>>I do not regret my choice of RU ever....as it has served me well all my life
And since 1982,,RU has only gotten better...Livingston used to be like a hidden enclave..now its a focal point.!!!!!
Thanks for the post HEAVEN......I love these kind of posts...I get a tad weepy actually LOL
Depends where they spend the rest of their lives, no?
As to your greater question, many kids hate where they grow up or just want to explore someplace new - NJ kids especially. College represents that first big opportunity. And many NJ parents have the money for out of state schools. What's so hard to understand?
Princeton has a Financial Engineering quant program though. Which accounts for a huge percentage of those kids landing on Wall Street and white shoe consulting firms--McKinsey, Bain, BCG.
Maybe that is how it began. But now, Lehigh is recognized as having a strong business centric department--they are strong in Accounting, Marketing, Finance.
In catching up with this thread, people are equating business education with only Finance. A few things on that:
1. A finance degree is tough sledding at any top tier school. There is lots of statistics, calc and advanced finance classes require up to 4 semesters of accounting, in order to have a solid grasp of financial statements.
2. Supply Chain is definitely the hottest area of a business education right now. Moving crap around efficiently is at the core of the on-demand economy.
3. Bulk of your CEOs are still coming from traditional marketing roles. Knowing how to sell people stuff (whether they need/want it or not) is still the fastest track up the corporate ladder.
4. Wall Street roles are starting to trickle down to schools outside of the traditional powers. Harvard, Stanford, Michigan, NYU, UCLA grads want to work in start-ups and with tech companies. They don't want to work on Wall Street or in traditional Fortune 200 companies. It's opportunity time for RU students. Entry level jobs that were never open to them are now.
5. Selecting an undergrad major to pave the way for an MBA program isn't necessary. MBA recruiters want to see evidence of strong leadership skills, evidence of the candidates awareness of and acceptance of collaborative work, polished appearance (RU struggles here with so many foreign students), solid work experience (at least 3 years), undergrad GPA and the candidates letters of Rec. GMAT scores are still a bg thing in the Top 20. Outside of the Top 20, GMAT is less important and often used to separate candidates for scholarship money (RU is big on huge scholarship dollars for high GMAT scores as it helps boost the ranking).
6. If I could offer any singular piece of advice to any student about to enter college, I would adamantly suggest they learn to code, regardless of what their major is and what they want to do professionally. You are infinitely more marketable, in every discipline, if you can code and speak the language of compute geek. lol
First thing I thought too. A few years ago it would have been advisable to skip that campus entirely on a tour.
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