OT Trunk bike rack - ticket for blocking plate
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I did a quick google search and only saw 1 instance of a ticket in a small town in Missouri. A couple of people referenced Hoboken in other posts and didn't get tickets.
Your best bet may be to ask a local cop that you bump into at a Supermarket or other place in your town.
I have a feeling they will say it is technically a legal violation but if you are obeying the law they won't bother you for it. Of course if you are speeding, swaying, or doing something else then you may get a ticket.
Your best bet may be to ask a local cop that you bump into at a Supermarket or other place in your town.
I have a feeling they will say it is technically a legal violation but if you are obeying the law they won't bother you for it. Of course if you are speeding, swaying, or doing something else then you may get a ticket.
And of course if you are out late at night, they will use it as an excuse to follow you and pull you over to see if you've been drinking.
Dude, it's crazy that they do ticket the dealer frames- they in no way block the plate. Bike rack- fair game
Are you carrying bikes on your rack, or just driving around with it on all the time. Long and short is that ANYTHING that blocks the plate - including state name AND logo is illegal. That means I have to be able to read the entire plate. That being said, it is unreasonable to write a ticket to a guy who has a bike rack full of bikes. I won't say that it doesn't happen, or that having the rack on isn't an excuse to pull you over. My guess is if ANYBODY has been written a ticket for a bike rack, it comes down to one of two reasons. First, it was written in lieu of a more serious offense. Two, you ran across a hammerhead. If that happens go to court and explain it to the judge. He/she may dismiss it.
They said it obstructed the font on the plate, even though the plastic rim of the frame didn't touch a single letter on my plate. I've received two tickets for this and, both times, they were obviously on a fishing expedition for something bigger to write a ticket for. When all other options were exhausted, I got a ticket for the frame..
I am assuming (perhaps optimistically) that you are kidding. The guy wrote a pretty reasonable response.
Of course, it's illegal to cover your license plate. But maybe more understandable if the bikes are actually on the car at the time.
The public doesn't hate cops. Only people that break the law hate cops and you know who they are. Those special people that feel the law doesn't apply to them just those around them.
I don't break the law and I don't like cops. Our founding fathers would have a panic attack if they saw the state of the police as it is today.
What "logo" are you referring to? The shape of the state of NJ? That logo and the words "Garden State" do not appear on all NJ license plates to begin with.
License plate obstruction is a fall-back summons. The only time I've ever gotten a ticket for it (specifically for a dealer frame) was when I got stopped for speeding and the cop wanted to give me a "break". So they'll skip the primary offense and write you for a license plate obstruction.
I got stopped once on the Turnpike about 7 years ago because I was doing about a buck at 6:00 in the morning and my laser warning went off. I stood on the brakes and by the time he got lock on me I was doing 71. He pulled me over and wrote me a ticket for a "windshield obstruction" - my radar detector.
Seemed like a fair compromise.
I got stopped once on the Turnpike about 7 years ago because I was doing about a buck at 6:00 in the morning and my laser warning went off. I stood on the brakes and by the time he got lock on me I was doing 71. He pulled me over and wrote me a ticket for a "windshield obstruction" - my radar detector.
Seemed like a fair compromise.
Hey, Here's a tip after the second ticket you might want to think about taking it off and stop advertising for the Dealer. What's the saying those that don't learn from history...................! Give it a thought.
I am guessing that you truly never needed the police. You are lucky to be that way.
The "country" doesn't have "a police force".
I know lots of cops, I work with lots of cops. Most of them are good guys. Some of them are total ass clowns. The same holds true at the department level. For the most part, the cultures are strong but some of them are most definitely toxic.
You know what I meant, but I can agree with some being toxic, but most are good and are in it for the good. Just like every profession some are bad but I would love to hear suggestions on how to prevent them from being hired. Most departments hiring processes are 6 months long plus another 6 months for an academy. Its a full year you have been around the department and some sneak through. Trust me we hate it more then you do. The bad ones make our job that much tougher.
Step 1 would be to eliminate "Specials". Often these are the guys who don't have their heads in the right place and they're able to get hired on as Specials in a small department with more relaxed standards, then "resume hop" to larger departments.
Step 2 would be to overhaul the "brotherhood culture". Philip Seidle should never have been on the job, he should never have had a gun.
Specials are rare outside of NJ, PA has part timers but they are fully certified officers, Maryland only Ocean City as seasonals. Brotherhood culture will be tough cause its a support group cause we see stuff that you wouldn't ever want to see and we are lied to by about 90% of the population and hated by a good bit so that will be tough but Cover ups are not happening anywhere near as often and thats a very good thing. The push is to punish officers who break the law even more then regular citizens. Even charging officers whose actions weren't criminal just to appease the public.
I've never "needed" the police in my life. I've been required to call them for traffic accidents because the state says I must.
What does one actually "need" the police for anyway?
On the other hand, I've had MORE than my fair share of Wyatt Earp clowns strut up to my window, one hand on their radio and one on their weapon, pretending they control the fate of Western Civilization in their hands.
What does one actually "need" the police for anyway?
On the other hand, I've had MORE than my fair share of Wyatt Earp clowns strut up to my window, one hand on their radio and one on their weapon, pretending they control the fate of Western Civilization in their hands.
I've seen plenty of stuff as an EMT, so you don't have to lecture me on that.
Regardless of whether it's easy or hard, the suggestion is valid, IMO. Too often we see circumstances where a guy shouldn't be on the job, but is allowed to remain so because everybody covers for each other's stress-related issues. We see it happen in all the emergency services.
I don't know about your fire company, but ours won't even approach a scene until we promise them that its safe to come up and all the action is over. Its one thing to see someone bleeding then to see the reason why the bleeding is happening.
Wow they are very tactically unsound while approaching your window. Not leaving a free hand. So your mad that you have been pulled over a bunch of times.
Needing the police as in a home invasion, bad assault, rape, robbery, hit and run etc.
Oh no. I'm not mad at all about being pulled over. I find the entire process rather funny. They strut up like John Wayne, I hand over a stack of PBA cards, they run my ID and tell me to have a good night.
Ohhhh. Yeah, I guess somebody needs to write a report. Surely, you aren't suggesting that the local PD stops many crimes in progress are you? That is sorta my point. If I'm assaulted on the street of Newark, what is the Newark PD gonna do? Catch the guy? At that point, I'm already assaulted. I'm not really "needing" justice in the sense of the criminal going through the system. Are they going to prevent a gang of Russian home invaders from kicking my door in later this evening? We're talking about street cops in this thread. The ones who get a charge out of breaking regular citizen's balls. They aren't solving many crimes and they aren't preventing any either.
As a group of individuals, I respect the risk they take. But that's where it ends for me. I don't deify local cops. I think many more than you admit above have a very confrontational approach to communities they serve.
We don't want to be deified just not hated We understand that we are going to be disliked for stopping you for going 15-20 mph over or for running the stop sign.
I don't hate cops. I hate abuse of power and position. When cops stop making nearly every interaction with their public confrontational, I'll change my position.
And I also hate the absolutely random nature of enforcement. I hate power trips. I hate "you're doing A, B and C, BUT I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A BREAK." I hate that YOU can drive 100 on I95 and tell the trooper in VA you're a cop and he lets you go (well maybe not in VA cause they are their own class of dickheads there, but you get the idea).
i've followed your posts. I have no doubts you're a good guy doing a difficult job.
I'm also prior military. I have dozens, if not more than a hundred, friends and former subordinates who are now cops--at all levels. I hear the chatter. I get the groups texts and emails. Again, I'll respectfully disagree about the attitudes of many, many cops. And as much as it pains me to ever knock prior military guys, I'm not entirely sure that prior military, in a time of war, is a great feeder system for local PDs. Policing and combat are two totally different animals. It's not easy for the former combat soldier to transition into a local police force and not have a combative attitude.
I'm not connected in any way with a fire company. EMS is EMS, fire is fire. At least, here.
I see we will never agree. I can assure that doesn't happen atleast at the departments I know. All shooting complaints are handled by State Police by us which I assure you do us no favors.
Its weird here, We have county run paramedics but the ambulances are run by fire houses.
I've seen more than my fair share of people bleeding for things beyond paper cuts, kitchen accidents and dog bites.
And if my guys walked down the street in random shit hole in the middle east lighting people up for no reason, we would have a problem. And the bond in a combat unit makes the bond in a local PD look like the girl scouts. But you respect the higher purpose or your don't. The culture in police forces doesn't.
I'm not even talking about just that. Someone has a problem with a cop, who do you go to? A cop. Yeah, that system works out really well.
I'm not a fan of these black lives matter idiots or advocate violence or any of that. That's not to say though that most cops are giant jackasses that are on a power trip. You definitely appear not to be one, but you are in the STRONG minority.
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