It's like that in a lot of places. Here, most of the EMS is volunteer so they're independent organizations.
Imagine how much fun it is to deal with the violence and the blood and the crazy and the puke - for free.
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It's like that in a lot of places. Here, most of the EMS is volunteer so they're independent organizations.
Imagine how much fun it is to deal with the violence and the blood and the crazy and the puke - for free.
Unfortunately you can say that about any profession, teachers, brokers, professors, doctors, nurses etc. Anytime you have large amount of people doin a job your going to get random treatment. As long as people are doing a job your going to get power trips. Military is filled with power trips so are colleges and hospitals and basically every office ever its just human nature. Also I would never go 100 on 95 in VA. You will get arrested.
Who's talking about shooting people? This isn't a #blacklivesmatter discussion.
We're talking about the daily interactions of local cops and their communities. Maybe Jersey is a different breed, although I've lived in San Diego, Virginia Beach, Raleigh and Hawaii. Jersey is by far the worst, but the local cops in those other places had very strange value systems as well.
We're talking about the daily interactions of local cops and their communities. Maybe Jersey is a different breed, although I've lived in San Diego, Virginia Beach, Raleigh and Hawaii. Jersey is by far the worst, but the local cops in those other places had very strange value systems as well.
Eh, you kind of helped the opposing viewpoint on that one. For example: getting pulled over on an interstate highway for traveling a reasonable 70-75 mph when traffic is light (but like you said, 15-20 over the posted limit) can result in hundreds of dollars in fines, points on the license, and increased insurance rates, the combination of which would likely lead a person to hate cops like the ones pulling them over.
And don't get me started on unmarked police vehicles. I can understand the case for such vehicles for serious undercover matters like gangs, hard drugs, dangerous escorts, etc. But I particularly loathe the Marlboro Twp. officer in an otherwise civilian-looking brown Dodge Charger, simply pulling people over all day on suburban highways like Routes 9/18 (I have a strong inclination it's not for any of the former reasons).
In MD you get a nice tax credit yearly and a pension if you stay long enough. But I understand what your saying but atleast people like you.
Well, we'll agree on driving in VA. lol
BTW, at all but the highest levels, military power trips are often squashed with a ferociousness and speed that would make the civilian world's head spin. There are exceptions, but not many.
Random treatment at the local bar doesn't result in heavy fines, legal issues or other forms financial displeasure. If you're buddy is the bartender and ignores me for you, no big deal. Can't say for the randomness of police enforcement.
Well I disagree with the NJ system of municipal courts where the towns get all the money for tickets. In MD we get none of that that state takes almost all of the money and we only get a percentage based on our crime stats I believe. But I don't write a lot of speeding tickets.
I bet you would be very unhappy if your kid gets a teacher who has tenure and is mailing it in instead of the involved teacher that motivates everyone
Teachers in Jersey have tenure after like 3 years....not a lot of choice in that scenario. Not sure it's an appropriate analogy. And the one non-tenured teacher my son had was an inexperienced nightmare--although she was pretty hot.
To get back to the original point, If you have bikes on your bike rack you shouldn't get pulled over. If you don't have bikes on it then you might get pulled over. I am always suspicious of trucks that have their tailgates down with nothing in the back. Over 50% of the time they have either expired or suspended tags.
is that 50% an official stat or your guess? Is that a local, state or national stat?
Rough estimate from my personal experience, I work in a very high crime very high drug area. A lot of drug addicts drive into town to pick up their drugs and unfortunately drug addicts don't really keep up with their license and registration. Again just from my personal experience.
And then I get the wow, I really had no clue whatsoever You would think the MVA would have sent me something to let me know.
I don't know. I am on here defending cops a lot, I think apples liked every one of my posts in the threads on here on Ferguson and criminals being, generally speaking, in the wrong.
That said, I can't stand my local PD. In my experience, they are a bunch of complete asshats. The DUI culture has done this to a lot of police forces, and that is where a lot of the issues lie. Ill tell my latest story. I go out late, often. I never drink and drive. For context, I have 0 points, no record and drive a luxury car (so no red flags on that front). At least twice a year some asshat follows me all the way home from town, waiting for me to screw up, and then when I don't do anything wrong, pulls me over in front of my house because he realizes I am about to "get away" when I pull into my driveway. Always the same thing. "You swerved back there, have you been drinking?"
I have a recent story if anyone is interested:
I walk out of bar after a Yankees game at about midnight on a Wednesday. I see the cop standing on the sidewalk as I walk to my car in the parking lot. As I pull out of the lot, I see the cop get into his car. In the rear view mirror, I see the car start to follow me, without headlights. I think to myself "Is this guy kidding me?"
In the town I go out in, you have to go around a few blocks to get out of town going the direction of my house. I watch as this guy follows me, headlights off, each time stopping at the corner, and waiting until I get to the next corner before pulling up. At each red light, he's just sort of creeping up about 50 yards behind me. I am watching this at every light, amazed. Does this idiot think I don't see him?! Finally, at the last light on the way out of town, he turns on the headlights, and pulls right up behind me. I figure he had given up when he didn't catch me doing anything wrong.
Nope. Follows me 3 more miles all the way into my town, and right before I hit the main drag in my town pulls me over. I say "Why did you pull me over?" He says "you swerved over the double yellow line, and because I started to pull you over in my jurisdiction, I am allowed to pull you over here." (no joke, he actually said that, ignoring that we are now about 3 miles into the neighboring town) I say "I don't believe I swerved. I was being extra careful about my driving, because I saw you follow me out of the parking lot, and I knew you were behind me." In predictable fashion, he moves to "you seem nervous." I reply, "I am nervous because I didn't know why you followed me all the way home."
He sticks to the playbook, ignoring that I just called out his bullshit. "Have you been drinking." I say no, he says would you mind doing a test. Now I have the dilemma that makes me hate these assholes. I have 2 choices. I can be rude, decline field sobriety and call his bluff to see if he wants to radio for a breathalyzer. Regardless of what he does, I can then ask for his badge number, and report him for making an illegal stop on someone who was dead sober. But of course that is not a real option, because I live here. This guy is going to see me again, probably lots of times, driving through town, late at night. So my only real option is to swallow my pride and let him continue violating my rights with his illegal stop based on fabricated probable cause. So I wind up having to say the alphabet backwards. When I get done, he has the nerve to say "good job, we appreciate you not drinking and driving. Have a nice evening."
I almost lost it and told him to go F himself. Followed me for no reason, made up a reason to pull me over to see if I had been drinking, made me nervous as hell, has the nerve to put me through his alphabet tricks, and then has the audacity to say "good job." Good job? F you good job. Absolutely ruined my night. And it happens all the time. And if I had been drinking, I am screwed, never mind the fact that the stop was completely illegal because he didn't have probable cause. He will go into court, and lie and say I swerved, and no one will believe me. I HATE that. Those aren't the rules of the game. The rules are that if I don't screw up, you don't get to pull me over. That's it. Not if I don't screw up, you lie about it and stick your fat beak in my car to see if I am doing anything wrong anyway.
That said, I can't stand my local PD. In my experience, they are a bunch of complete asshats. The DUI culture has done this to a lot of police forces, and that is where a lot of the issues lie. Ill tell my latest story. I go out late, often. I never drink and drive. For context, I have 0 points, no record and drive a luxury car (so no red flags on that front). At least twice a year some asshat follows me all the way home from town, waiting for me to screw up, and then when I don't do anything wrong, pulls me over in front of my house because he realizes I am about to "get away" when I pull into my driveway. Always the same thing. "You swerved back there, have you been drinking?"
I have a recent story if anyone is interested:
I walk out of bar after a Yankees game at about midnight on a Wednesday. I see the cop standing on the sidewalk as I walk to my car in the parking lot. As I pull out of the lot, I see the cop get into his car. In the rear view mirror, I see the car start to follow me, without headlights. I think to myself "Is this guy kidding me?"
In the town I go out in, you have to go around a few blocks to get out of town going the direction of my house. I watch as this guy follows me, headlights off, each time stopping at the corner, and waiting until I get to the next corner before pulling up. At each red light, he's just sort of creeping up about 50 yards behind me. I am watching this at every light, amazed. Does this idiot think I don't see him?! Finally, at the last light on the way out of town, he turns on the headlights, and pulls right up behind me. I figure he had given up when he didn't catch me doing anything wrong.
Nope. Follows me 3 more miles all the way into my town, and right before I hit the main drag in my town pulls me over. I say "Why did you pull me over?" He says "you swerved over the double yellow line, and because I started to pull you over in my jurisdiction, I am allowed to pull you over here." (no joke, he actually said that, ignoring that we are now about 3 miles into the neighboring town) I say "I don't believe I swerved. I was being extra careful about my driving, because I saw you follow me out of the parking lot, and I knew you were behind me." In predictable fashion, he moves to "you seem nervous." I reply, "I am nervous because I didn't know why you followed me all the way home."
He sticks to the playbook, ignoring that I just called out his bullshit. "Have you been drinking." I say no, he says would you mind doing a test. Now I have the dilemma that makes me hate these assholes. I have 2 choices. I can be rude, decline field sobriety and call his bluff to see if he wants to radio for a breathalyzer. Regardless of what he does, I can then ask for his badge number, and report him for making an illegal stop on someone who was dead sober. But of course that is not a real option, because I live here. This guy is going to see me again, probably lots of times, driving through town, late at night. So my only real option is to swallow my pride and let him continue violating my rights with his illegal stop based on fabricated probable cause. So I wind up having to say the alphabet backwards. When I get done, he has the nerve to say "good job, we appreciate you not drinking and driving. Have a nice evening."
I almost lost it and told him to go F himself. Followed me for no reason, made up a reason to pull me over to see if I had been drinking, made me nervous as hell, has the nerve to put me through his alphabet tricks, and then has the audacity to say "good job." Good job? F you good job. Absolutely ruined my night. And it happens all the time. And if I had been drinking, I am screwed, never mind the fact that the stop was completely illegal because he didn't have probable cause. He will go into court, and lie and say I swerved, and no one will believe me. I HATE that. Those aren't the rules of the game. The rules are that if I don't screw up, you don't get to pull me over. That's it. Not if I don't screw up, you lie about it and stick your fat beak in my car to see if I am doing anything wrong anyway.
I'm a fan of the in car camera for that reason its cut and dry did you swerve or didn't you I guess your town doesn't have them
Which is fine...WHEN THE CASE GOES SOMEWHERE.
Before that, in the field, cabbage is having his rights trampled on by a douchebag.
My favorite...
I used to drive a convertible. I'm still on active duty and am home on a weekend from VA. It was mid August and I had the top down. My plates were still NJ. I'm stopped at light and cop rolls up behind me. The cop apparently calls in my info. He then proceeds to put dispatch's reply over his loudspeaker. So, I'm at a 2 lane red light, 6 cars deep and my name, address, who the car is registered to and my clean driving record is now broadcast to all the cars. Pissed off, when the light turned green I stay stopped. He lights me up and gets out. "are you having a problem?" "i don't know, am I? Is there a reason you called in my plate while I WAS STOPPED AT A TRAFFIC LIGHT? And then BROADCAST my personal information at the light with 5 other cars?"
We're in my home town and one of my best friends is also on duty. He hears my name and vehicle being called in and comes to the intersection. He gets out and says to the guy, "what the hell are you doing?" Eventually, we all had a laugh. But just one more piece of anecdotal evidence about cops just acting like dicks for no reason.
This says more about you than the cop. Just wondering why you would want to force your obvious hatred of cops on a 4 year old? Great parenting.
I'm not pro or anti cop. Every town has good and bad cops. My main issue are the good cops that don't call out the bad cops which would help weed out the bad and increase the number of good. I live in Edison which is full of assclown cops.
back to this topic. A cop should not pull someone over for a bike rack. That's a cop looking to bust someone's balls instead of trying to serve and protect.
back to this topic. A cop should not pull someone over for a bike rack. That's a cop looking to bust someone's balls instead of trying to serve and protect.
Awwww. I have a stalker.
The cop is a douche. Pure and simple. I'm not going to lie to my son to appease a 60 year old creeper.
Oh you mean like the cop in TX who shot what's his name?
or the cop in the detention center who body slammed the handcuffed chick to the ground on her face?
Don't be so naive.
As Cabbage pointed out, he still has to live in town. So he makes a stink and asks for the dashcam footage to be reviewed. You honestly want to tell us it ends there? I'm slightly more cynical than that.
I think it would they have one sustained complaint against themwhy go for a second its not worth my job
you posted in the thread on the CE board about the cop who body slammed the cuffed girl to the ground on her face.
And the other case is the Walter Scott case.
I forgot about that one and honestly don't remember the details of it and I thought Walter Scott was Sc and isn't the cop charged with murder in that one
Minus using the term douche with a 4 y.o., I don't have a problem with what the poster did. With few exceptions, there is little justification for police to hide out of sight on highways to catch people speeding. If they want to maintain traffic safety, then leave a marked police car in plain sight or drive together with traffic; motorists naturally slow down, and there will always be at least one idiot who weaves around moderate-to-heavy traffic doing 20 more than anyone else who should actually be stopped.
Otherwise, the practice is douchey revenue generation based on artificially low speed limits..
Not 60. Older but that doesn't mean anything. And don't flatter yourself. You're definitely not worth the time or effort.
I'll leave it at this. If you can't see how harmful it is to teach a child to hate just because you do, there's nothing left to say.
You're right it was SC.
Yeah he's charged with murder. And there was a dashcam. And a dead guy.
Just like calling the cops after your home is invaded, a dashcam after I'm dead, doesn't do ME much good.
It's not about hate, Gump. It's about teaching him the truth's of life. In this case, it's perf curly to question authority, especially when someone is a douche.
And I never used the word douche to him.
Can you really be this stupid?
Do you think they put the lights on to get to the donut shop faster?
Do you not know that some calls require the responding officers to approach stealthily...no siren...no flashing lights
I have two close relatives who are officers in my town.
They both have told me they never have time to sit on the side of the road just to catch you going a little over the speed limit
Often when they are parked along a roadway they are filling out reports re a previous call
Of course they will be alerted if your speed is excessive
Pffffft. Yeah, OK. And I have a bridge to sell you.
One of my best friend's dad's is a cop. I hear all the stories from him, and he flat out has told me they hide just to nail people.
So either your relatives are liars or they aren't that bright. They are local NJ cops, so there is a good chance it's both.
We deal with people at their worst moments on a regular basis. We have no illations on why we grow to to not like people. Your response gives a perfect example. People hate cops because our job is to tell you what you are not allowed to do. I provide a logical answer based on reasonableness and grounded directly in how the Title 39 code is written. You get pissed because you can't just do whatever you feel like, but you are pissed at the messenger, not the message. If you do not like the law as is, I suggest you take up the great cause of getting it changed. That is your right as an American.
That's some of the problem. People don't like being told what to do, so naturally they object to police officers who are not only telling them what to do, but have the ability to make a lot of trouble real quick if you don't listen.
Other parts of the problem include:
1. Blatant abuses of power (and frequent) - cops on cell phones, throwing the lights to go through red lights/make illegal U turns
2. Revenue raising aspects of police work - unmarked cars on the highway (not in cities), speed traps, checkpoints, and the "DUI culture"
3. Abuses of discretion
4. Full-time usage of military/SWAT style uniforms and gear
5. PBA cards and family member cards - really nothing more than legitimized corruption. Instantly not guilty b/c I know a cop.
Your post highlights several of these. You said:
Revenue Raising - giving someone a ticket for a license plate surround because part of the words "Garden State" are blocked. How the law is written, but clearly not the intent of the law
Abuse of Discretion - "I won't say it isn't an excuse to pull you over"
Abuse of Power - You ran across a "hammerhead"
The problem is that the police in most NJ towns are run as a fundraising exercise. Why do tiny towns like Englishtown or Dunellen or Helmetta have their own PDs?
I really noticed a change after I moved up to Hudson County where police officers have to deal with actual crime instead of generating revenue. A guy blocked my driveway, they came and ticketed him off the bat. They are walking around at night and near public transportation. They are giving directions, and recently made national headlines for helping a teenage boy tie a tie- and of course we had Melvin Santiago make the ultimate sacrifice.
But google the Edison or Helmetta PD, or the 27 year old cop with two DUIs who killed two driving drunk on his third who has gone unprosecuted for months in Linden. Most suburban PDs in NJ are strict money generation enterprises. The cop in Linden was making 92k at 27- how many 27 year old teachers make 92k? The one in Edison who locked a woman in a hotel room and demanded sex was making six figures. This does not happen in many other states.
I'm not a fan of the whole black lives matter thing, but I did think it was ridiculous that Ferguson cops were locking up journalists reporting in McDonalds and it was among many Missouri towns who derive most of its revenue from traffic violations like "manner of walking". That protects cushy salaries, not citizens.
I wondered for a second why NJ did not have such an investigation, but then remembered how the police unions have the state pols of both parties in a vice. You could only imagine what a NJ study would reveal about our suburban cops...
I really noticed a change after I moved up to Hudson County where police officers have to deal with actual crime instead of generating revenue. A guy blocked my driveway, they came and ticketed him off the bat. They are walking around at night and near public transportation. They are giving directions, and recently made national headlines for helping a teenage boy tie a tie- and of course we had Melvin Santiago make the ultimate sacrifice.
But google the Edison or Helmetta PD, or the 27 year old cop with two DUIs who killed two driving drunk on his third who has gone unprosecuted for months in Linden. Most suburban PDs in NJ are strict money generation enterprises. The cop in Linden was making 92k at 27- how many 27 year old teachers make 92k? The one in Edison who locked a woman in a hotel room and demanded sex was making six figures. This does not happen in many other states.
I'm not a fan of the whole black lives matter thing, but I did think it was ridiculous that Ferguson cops were locking up journalists reporting in McDonalds and it was among many Missouri towns who derive most of its revenue from traffic violations like "manner of walking". That protects cushy salaries, not citizens.
I wondered for a second why NJ did not have such an investigation, but then remembered how the police unions have the state pols of both parties in a vice. You could only imagine what a NJ study would reveal about our suburban cops...
You're right.
If anyone can find me another job in America that pays 27 year olds with 2 year degrees $92,000 and continues to pay you on your third DUI...and helps you cover up the ones before you murdered someone, I would like to know of it.
You know how long you need to teach in NJ to make 92k- and you likely need a masters, and good luck having your criminal activity concealed for you. Yet somehow the problem in NJ is the teachers?
If anyone can find me another job in America that pays 27 year olds with 2 year degrees $92,000 and continues to pay you on your third DUI...and helps you cover up the ones before you murdered someone, I would like to know of it.
You know how long you need to teach in NJ to make 92k- and you likely need a masters, and good luck having your criminal activity concealed for you. Yet somehow the problem in NJ is the teachers?
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