Same thing with 78 separating Weequahic section from Newark?Destroyed neighborhoods from Newark up thru West Orange. I had classmates that were displaced.
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Same thing with 78 separating Weequahic section from Newark?Destroyed neighborhoods from Newark up thru West Orange. I had classmates that were displaced.
Same thing with 78 separating Weequahic section from Newark?
Ha ha. Pay a “premium” to live in JC, Harrison or Newark ironbound with all the noise and crime. You should be a comedian.
Correct, except Vailsburg was a mixture of Italian, Irish and Jewish. And Clinton Hill (my area) was a mixture of every culture mentioned above, except Portuguese.Are you from Newark Tico?
I believe you live in Bayonne now, but I'm curious.
Was Weequahic mostly Jewish, Vailsburg mostly Irish, North Ward mostly Italian, Central Ward a mix of Blacks, Whites, Puerto Ricans and the East Ward mostly Italian, Spanish and Portuguese ?
Correct, except Vailsburg was a mixture of Italian, Irish and Jewish. And Clinton Hill (my area) was a mixture of every culture mentioned above, except Portuguese.
I never had any issues with crime when I lived in Jersey City (though I did see a guy get punched at a red light once in a road rage incident—he made the mistake of rolling down his window to speak to the aggressor)
Graduated with the owners daughter and yes kless’s was top notch. Also Don’s had two diners in town one across from the bus terminal and one on the west side Stuyvesant and Mill Rd. The. So called block busting was a prime aim of one Jordan Barris reality. The Newark Grove street side went fast. The west side of Irvington on the Union / Hillside border was more over time . And then over the next 2 decades Camptown suffered from political corruption on a high scale level. Thank You Sara Bost for leading Irvington into the sewer.Late to this thread, but very familiar with much of it, having grown up in west/central Newark (West Side HS). And very familiar with the disintegration of that area. Here's is a major reason: certain realtors sent gangs of kids into Vailsburg and Weequahic areas, causing continual mayhem. This caused homeowners in these neighborhoods to seek living elsewhere, putting their homes on the market at low, quick-sale prices. Then realtors and speculators not only picked up the homes at fire-sale prices, but converted many of the homes into multiple-family dwellings. And it was quick (and almost lethal). Within a few years, Vailsburg and Weequahic neighborhoods were drastically changed.
Quick footnote: As a teen-ager, my first dates were most often coffee and cake at Kless Diner.
If you know Newark, from Hayes Circle (where Elizabeth and Clinton Aves meet) on the east, Clinton Avenue on the south, Springfield Avenue on the north and South 18th Street on the west. (Unofficial of course.)Where is Clinton Hill?
What streets are the unofficial boundaries?
I had a friend who was a busboy/waiter at Kless. When I brought a date there, he acted as my wingman. I would excuse myself to go to the restroom and he would come to our table and tell the girl how great I was, how lucky she was to be with me. And it helped. (Frankly speaking, I needed the help.)Graduated with the owners daughter and yes kless’s was top notch. Also Don’s had two diners in town one across from the bus terminal and one on the west side Stuyvesant and Mill Rd. The. So called block busting was a prime aim of one Jordan Barris reality. The Newark Grove street side went fast. The west side of Irvington on the Union / Hillside border was more over time . And then over the next 2 decades Camptown suffered from political corruption on a high scale level. Thank You Sara Bost for leading Irvington into the sewer.
Don’s Barn was on Stuyvesant Ave . In Irvington near corner of Mill Rd.I had a friend who was a busboy/waiter at Kless. When I brought a date there, he acted as my wingman. I would excuse myself to go to the restroom and he would come to our table and tell the girl how great I was, how lucky she was to be with me. And it helped. (Frankly speaking, I needed the help.)
Wasn't Don's Drive-In in So Orange? Up the mountain?
Here's what I was referring to:The top of the South Orange Mtn. was Grunnings which looked out over the NYC skyline ...there was also Grunnings in South Orange Center... the one on the top was our favorite .
From Bergen St west to Irvington, From Clinton Ave south to 78Where is Clinton Hill?
What streets are the unofficial boundaries?
Car theft was a huge problem in Newark in the early to mid-90's. When my boss saw that I had a manual transmission, he told me that that was a great way to prevent my car from being stolen. I was in the Gateway building attached to Newark Penn Station. We had an auditor come in to pick up a file on a Saturday morning. Parked his car in front of the building, locked it, ran upstairs to get the file, came back 5 minutes later, car gone. Another guy was working on Washington Street, parked his car in a guarded Pru outdoor lot. Middle of the week, 8AM, a guy walks up with a gun, puts it on the head of the attendant, picks out the car he wants (Honda Prelude), has the attendant give him the key, and off he went in work day traffic with police arriving.
I always say that in the Vailsburg of my youth you were either Irish, Italian, Irish-Italian (me) and the minorities were the Poles and Ukrainians (there was a Ukrainian Church in Vailsburg)..Correct, except Vailsburg was a mixture of Italian, Irish and Jewish. And Clinton Hill (my area) was a mixture of every culture mentioned above, except Portuguese.
Let’s see starting with Weequahic 1960’s : Yes, No mostly Italian , Yes, Yes, Yes. After ‘67 cha cha cha changes.Are you from Newark Tico?
I believe you live in Bayonne now, but I'm curious.
Was Weequahic mostly Jewish, Vailsburg mostly Irish, North Ward mostly Italian, Central Ward a mix of Blacks, Whites, Puerto Ricans and the East Ward mostly Italian, Spanish and Portuguese ?
Here's what I was referring to:
Don's Burgers Fries & Fountain: Back from the deep (orange) freeze
The owner learned his secrets from Don Roth, the original owner of Don's Drive-In in Livingstonwww.nj.com
Here's what I was referring to:
Don's Burgers Fries & Fountain: Back from the deep (orange) freeze
The owner learned his secrets from Don Roth, the original owner of Don's Drive-In in Livingstonwww.nj.com
There was a Don’s Diner at the foot of I believe Mt. Pleasant Avenue in Livingston yes went there as well since my aunt and uncle lived and owned a butcher shop in town.I had a friend who was a busboy/waiter at Kless. When I brought a date there, he acted as my wingman. I would excuse myself to go to the restroom and he would come to our table and tell the girl how great I was, how lucky she was to be with me. And it helped. (Frankly speaking, I needed the help.)
Wasn't Don's Drive-In in So Orange? Up the mountain?
Maybe he was 5? years too early in Bkn Hts?Late 90's had a friend who lived near Brooklyn Heights.
He used a monthly parking garage for his Bimmer.
He called the car a Break My Window because of how many times his radio was stolen.
He finally started tipping the lot attendants $100 a month to 'save' his car/radio/window replacements.
Lived across the street from Shabazz HS from 83 to 05. There was a big empty lot where the football stadium stands now where they had “demolition derbys” with stolen cars every Saturday night. Despite that and fistfights were still around before guns took over mid 2000s, it was quiet compared to Bergen, Clinton, Elizabeth Aves.Are you from Newark Tico?
I believe you live in Bayonne now, but I'm curious.
Was Weequahic mostly Jewish, Vailsburg mostly Irish, North Ward mostly Italian, Central Ward a mix of Blacks, Whites, Puerto Ricans and the East Ward mostly Italian, Spanish and Portuguese ?
Wasn't that named Tri-City Diner .Don’s Barn was on Stuyvesant Ave . In Irvington near corner of Mill Rd.
Depends on what year you are referencing.Wasn't that named Tri-City Diner .
I seem to remember a diner called Tri City on Stuyvesant Ave right by Mill Rd close to the Irvington,Maplewood & Union line in early 1960s
By 1968 it became Don’s also ... if my memory is still correct was owned by the same people as the one on the corner of Nye Avenue and Maple Ave. .You would be correct too as it was tri city in the late 50’s -early 60’s. Dairy Queen next door to both diners and another Dairy Queen still at Corner of Bowden Ave. and Stuyvesant. Almost next to the Old Homsread.Wasn't that named Tri-City Diner .
I seem to remember a diner called Tri City on Stuyvesant Ave right by Mill Rd close to the Irvington,Maplewood & Union line in early 1960s
280 drove the Italians away from orange. There’s still a tiny 3 block area Lincoln Ave (shrinks every year) that’s all old school Italians the play cards on sidewalks in front of coffee shops/restraints during day. Disappear at 5pm.Destroyed neighborhoods from Newark up thru West Orange. I had classmates that were displaced.
280 drove the Italians away from orange. There’s still a tiny 3 block area Lincoln Ave (shrinks every year) that’s all old school Italians the play cards on sidewalks in front of coffee shops/restraints during day. Disappear at 5pm.
280 goes off the Newark- Orange- East Orange ramp . If the GSP didn’t move them out why 280. Over 3/4 to a mile further south and west. Vailsburg center and park is on the west side of the GSP. What drove them away was Anthony Imperiale ‘s decline in power. The cities of East Orange and Orange are further away than that. All those areas had enclaves of Italians and it is hard to believe route 280 chased them out.280 drove the Italians away from orange. There’s still a tiny 3 block area Lincoln Ave (shrinks every year) that’s all old school Italians the play cards on sidewalks in front of coffee shops/restraints during day. Disappear at 5pm.
Springfield Ave . running from the Grove street intersection looks nothing like it did back in the 60 through mid 90’s. They knocked everything down in hopes of revitalizing this entry into downtown Newark. Well it is highly doubtful the Central ward and West wards will ever recapture the days where yo could walk the streets at night. That is not fake but factual. Can you imagine leaving your doors or windows open now still? Hell I think even in the best towns of suburbia that is a thing of the past.JC has areas of high violent crime.
in my last job, I had jobs in every type of place, burbs, rural and inner city.
I found that during the day, it's pretty calm and peaceful pretty much everywhere, even in areas off Springfield Ave in Newark or Park Ave in Paterson. I met some really nice people that owned convenient stores and small eateries.
But, it's obvious that things change overnight in the statistically high crime areas of large cities such as JC, Newark, Paterson, etc.
Early 60s was the time-frame I was talking about.By 1968 it became Don’s also ... if my memory is still correct was owned by the same people as the one on the corner of Nye Avenue and Maple Ave. .You would be correct too as it was tri city in the late 50’s -early 60’s. Dairy Queen next door to both diners and another Dairy Queen still at Corner of Bowden Ave. and Stuyvesant. Almost next to the Old Homsread.
Where did you grow up ?Early 60s was the time-frame I was talking about.
Dairy Queen at Corner of Boyden Ave. and Stuyvesant I also remember
Dominican, Haitian population in all the cities.Isn’t Irvington home to a large Haitian and other Caribbean immigrant population now?
Pretty common knowledge that 280 was the beginning of the end check the timeline.280 goes off the Newark- Orange- East Orange ramp . If the GSP didn’t move them out why 280. Over 3/4 to a mile further south and west. Vailsburg center and park is on the west side of the GSP. What drove them away was Anthony Imperiale ‘s decline in power. The cities of East Orange and Orange are further away than that. All those areas had enclaves of Italians and it is hard to believe route 280 chased them out.
Also a lot of Irish down neck and north ward before the Italians. St. Peter’s parish was mostly Irish. Wife has family in St. Peter’s cemetery, mostly old predominantly Irish tombstones.Correct, except Vailsburg was a mixture of Italian, Irish and Jewish. And Clinton Hill (my area) was a mixture of every culture mentioned above, except Portuguese.
Maplewood in the Hilton Section, many many moons ago.Where did you grow up ?
You can buy it if you want but all of Newark in the areas you speak of were going down before this project . Did it disrupt areas sure .Here’s another one . Union NJ route # 78 caused hundreds of fairly new homes to be sold for a loss and people forced out. Yet Union didn’t collapse . It is much different today but still ok . The fact is Newark did not die because of a highway project . It died because of political corruption, a inadequate school system , lack of a solid tax base after people and businesses moved out. The real sin was at the state level nobody gave a shat. Once a great city ... 45 years of neglect by politicians voted into power.Pretty common knowledge that 280 was the beginning of the end check the timeline.
Or Google is your friend. “280 led to the ills of the city and the demise of the community. Cut orange in half. Thousands of homes and businesses demolished. Dozens of cross streets turned to dead ends. 280 took the local culture and identity away.
50 yrs later ppl still mourn the impact the bldg of 280 had. It took the head off of the community.
Pretty common knowledge that 280 was the beginning of the end check the timeline.
Or Google is your friend. “280 led to the ills of the city and the demise of the community. Cut orange in half. Thousands of homes and businesses demolished. Dozens of cross streets turned to dead ends. 280 took the local culture and identity away.
50 yrs later ppl still mourn the impact the bldg of 280 had. It took the head off of the community.
So up Boyden Avenue near Menzel Rd. I’m guessing Hilton going toward Tuscan Rd and to Springfield avenue. I lived on Coolidge Street across from Stuyvesant Village .Did you go to Columbia or Parochial HS?Maplewood in the Hilton Section, many many moons ago.
Parkway like you said was near orange but 280 blew rite through it.You can buy it if you want but all of Newark in the areas you speak of were going down before this project . Did it disrupt areas sure .Here’s another one . Union NJ route # 78 caused hundreds of fairly new homes to be sold for a loss and people forced out. Yet Union didn’t collapse . It is much different today but still ok . The fact is Newark did not die because of a highway project . It died because of political corruption, a inadequate school system , lack of a solid tax base after people and businesses moved out. The real sin was at the state level nobody gave a shat. Once a great city ... 45 years of neglect by politicians voted into power.