OT: WOW… Pete Rose has died at the age of 83
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The thing that made me just about the angriest I've ever been watching a sporting event was when Jim Gray (a douchebag sports media personality if ever there was one) decided to hijack the All-Century Team celebration in order to try and embarrass Pete Rose. I've pretty much been pissed off about this issue since then. That was 25 years ago; it didn't happen yesterday.
Maybe it's a passive passion most hold, they like baseball but it ceased to be #1 for them a long time ago .
But anyone who follows baseball probably has an opinion of Rose being kept out of the HOF.
Some also might feel another players deserve to be in but are being unjustly kept out despite being HOF talent when they were playing.
I would want Shoeless Joe in the MLB HOF if Pete is allowed in and I believe the hall should base acceptance on talent which would make Rose and Jackson shoe-ins.
But in players HOF bio , let the bad be known along with the good
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This has been talked about for years but never gets done. Include those that are already in. Put it on the bottom of their plaque.
The whole problem with Pete is that he AGEED to be banished. I pretty much feel he only took that agreement because he didn’t want them to really know what and how he bet on games.
If he didn’t agree to the deal and got banished, then it would be a different story.
With that said, I don’t know what Trump is actually pardoning?
The agreement said he could apply for reinstatement after one year. You have to believe he at least thought he was signing what was going to amount to a one year ban.
He was betting that he would be reinstated…kind of ironic
And does anyone really believe he only bet on his teams to win?
And we’re all bets back then just straight up win or lose or was there a spread or other bets he could actually influence as a manager?
There are reasons he really didn’t want further investigation.
And I ask again, what is Trump pardoning him in regard to?
There isn’t anything to pardon to get him into the HoF..,
Or is he just going to tell the HOF- to let him in?
I do. Attitude-wise, Rose is just built different. He'd cut his arm off before he'd lose a game. This is the guy who hurt someone in a home plate collision in an All-Star game. Nowadays, if you have a blister, you sit out of the All-Star game. I believe he bet on tons of other games (in just about every sport), but when he bet on his games, he bet on his team to win.
Well ... you could bet on over/unders in MLB games, but there weren't all kinds of prop bets available. Like, it wasn't an available option for him to bet on how long his starting pitcher lasted and then just pull him to win the bet.
I can think of a few reasons:
1. Maybe he actually knew Rose and still feels bad for him,
2. Maybe he just knows his most-devoted voters still feel bad for Rose, or
3. Maybe he's got a vendetta against the MLB League Office for some reason.
I think its mostly #2.
I think he's just applying pressure to the MLB League Office. It's not much more different than when he hammered the NFL in the press over players kneeling for the anthem.
Number 2 - my question is- was Rose actually convicted of a crime in regard to his gambling?
Number 3 - don’t get me started on the kneeling. Just another grand stand on part of the political groups to change the narrative to fit agendas that had nothing to do with what was actually being protested.
Pardoning people who haven't been convicted of a Federal crime! How idiotic! Nobody does that!
Don’t know why people want to put in a degenerate gambler into the Hall of Fame when the clear rule of gambling on the sport was always communicated."Commissioner Rob Manfred is considering a petition filed by Pete Rose's family filed on Jan. 8 to have Major League Baseball's all-time hit leader posthumously removed from baseball's ineligible list, multiple sources with knowledge of the situation told ESPN Saturday.
Jeffrey Lenkov, a Los Angeles lawyer who represented Rose prior to his death at age 83 in late September, said he filed the reinstatement petition after he and Fawn Rose, the oldest daughter of Pete Rose, met with Manfred and MLB spokesman Pat Courtney in the commissioner's office on Dec. 17.
"The commissioner was respectful, gracious, and actively participated in productive discussions regarding removing Rose from the ineligible list,"
Sources: Manfred reviewing bid to reinstate Rose
Commissioner Rob Manfred is considering a petition filed by Pete Rose's family filed on Jan. 8 to have MLB's all-time hit leader posthumously removed from baseball's ineligible list, multiple sources with knowledge of the situation told ESPN Saturday.www.espn.com
I also don’t understand why this president would focus on “pardoning” Rose when he was never convicted of federal crimes. You would think there are other big problems to work on in the first month in office- like the cost of groceries and a crumbling economy.
Don’t get the cult started..
It is grand standing to his many that fall for this.
I usually just feel embarrassed every single time either of the last 2 presidents talk.
No president has issued a posthumous pardon to someone who was never convicted of a crime.
So yes, nobody does that.
No no we need to focus on the big issues, like ending funding for cancer research and removing "transition" from websites about ending homelessness, and being sure to endorse criminality along the way while loving our dear allies like Russia and Belarus and showing our mortal enemies Canada and Denmark what's what!
And then claiming ending a contract that was cancelled in 2005 a savings!
Trump has always been a sportsman and follows a few sports close. He went to Army/Navy, Super Bowl and Daytona 500 (where Air Force one flew over the field). He talked to Rogan about MMA for a long time and knew ex-fighters from years ago. Trump has even played ring roles in WWF events. He legit likes sports but its also a way to have relationships with fans.
Ohio (home of Vance) is fav state and I'm sure there are a lot of Rose fans in Ohio . Maybe he was friends with Rose I don't know, but sports fans cross political lines so throwing them all a bone in Ohio is the way he rolls. He showed-up at East Palestine train derail and North Carolina flooding when DC crowd intentionally ignored them.
He has been in both parties and is legit a crossover "populist" and that's why he gets so much crossover in votes and cabinet. Many don't realize a lot of blue voters stopped voting a few decades ago when their jobs got shipped off . DT brought them back. If you're ever seen a collie keeping sheep together by running around and making noise - that's how he keeps disparate peoples together. He even had Muslims and Amish coming over their lines. There is a wide gap between supporting Pete Rose and Mr Lia Thomas and T knows where the people are.
I think he plead guilty to some form of tax evasion (presumably not reporting gambling winnings as income). He spent a couple months in prison in the early 1990s.
I want to put him in the Hall of Fame because he has more hits than anyone else.
And he was convicted of federal crimes.
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Rose served 5 months for tax evasion
>Tarnished and remorseful baseball legend Pete Rose was sentenced Thursday to five months in prison, three months in a halfway house, 1,000 hours of community service and a $50,000 fine for income tax evasion.<
Pete Rose sentenced to five months in prison - UPI Archives
Tarnished and remorseful baseball legend Pete Rose was sentenced Thursday to five months in prison, three months in a halfway house, 1,000 hours of community...
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I don't believe it was for not reporting gambling winnings, but for income derived from card show appearances and sale of sports memorabilia he profited from
It wouldn't surprise me. I met him once ... he was sitting at a table signing autographs outside a sports memorabilia shop inside the Venetian hotel in Las Vegas. This would have been in 2001 or 2002. Anyways, there wasn't a crowd or anything - it was just one fan/customer at the table and Pete sitting behind it. The area of was pretty empty. So I realize it is Pete Rose and I pull out my camera to take a photo and he shouted something like, "You can't take any photos. If you want a photo with me you have to pay for it." I wasn't even close to them, I was probably thirty or forty feet away. I snapped the photo anyway (it wasn't a posed photo, it was just him sitting at a table yelling at me while he signed someone else's baseball). Then I found my parents elsewhere in the hotel and told that that I had just met Pete Rose and he was an asshole.Rose served 5 months for tax evasion
>Tarnished and remorseful baseball legend Pete Rose was sentenced Thursday to five months in prison, three months in a halfway house, 1,000 hours of community service and a $50,000 fine for income tax evasion.<
Pete Rose sentenced to five months in prison - UPI Archives
Tarnished and remorseful baseball legend Pete Rose was sentenced Thursday to five months in prison, three months in a halfway house, 1,000 hours of community...
I don't believe it was for not reporting gambling winnings, but for income derived from card show appearances and sale of sports memorabilia he profited from
Still, even though he's a bad person, he's got more hits than anyone else and is a first ballot hall of famer.
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