Our in state recruiting

[njknightsfan]

I'm probably stating the obvious here but seeing how the top Jersey kids all seem to want to go play anywhere but RU, I wanted to compare that with other programs. I thought it would be interesting to see how many recruits come from their home state compared to ours:

2015:
Alabama - 6 out of 23 - 26% from AL
Penn St. - 12 out of 25 - 48% from PA
Ohio St. - 12 out of 27 - 44% from OH
MD - 7 out of 18 - 39% from MD/DC area
RU - 5 out of 25 - 20% from NJ

so far in 2016 we have 3 out of 11 from NJ for about 27%, doing better than last year so far. I get it, get the best recruits from anywhere and NY, PA, FL are our Tier I recruiting spots, but based on the facts from the top teams, we need to at a minimum get 40% or more from NJ. If you go back to the 2011 class, we had about 54% from NJ, which I think should be the norm for us.

Not sure what the staff can do, it seems they are working their tail off, offering early, this class is shaping up nicely. I agree, if NJ kids don't want to come here, get the one's from NY, PA & FL like we are doing but getting 50% from NJ should be the norm and I really believe we are just touching the surface on how good our recruiting will become in the future.

 

[RutgersRaRa]

Thanks for doing some numbers on that for added perspective. I think the lack of Jersey guys is more attributable to coaches needing time to establish a relationship with players AND the HC having a contract. Flood was hamstrung in his first couple of years and has recovered nicely. Stability at the HC position is vital, and when Greg left it was an uphill climb. Once we're in this conference for a couple of years there will be an in-state trickle-down effect, and once the facilities are upgraded it will also make a difference.

We've been trying to right a ship that wasn't designed for the sailing we're doing, and we are perhaps halfway there, maybe a little less. We'll get there.

 

[RU205]

So many different ways to look at these numbers and not enough time. 2 quick points. Bama landed 6 in state recruits. How many in state recruits did they offer? If Bama had the number 1 RB in the country and the number 1 DL in the country in the same year, both 5 * recruits, would they land both?

The point I try to make over and over is that RU doesn't have the recruiting budget of Alabama and other factories. Alabama can pick 5 top in state kids and recruit nationally.

It would be more cost effective for RU to land the top 12 NJ players each year and get a few from PA, NY, Etc and the rest from FLA.

 

[RUfan121]

It's obvious why. Won't change until RU has a windfall of funding and can afford to pay the right personnel to draw talent and beat the upper tear teams.

 

[Abro1975]

Just win ! The rest will work it self out.

 

[zwick99]

I'm probably stating the obvious here but seeing how the top Jersey kids all seem to want to go play anywhere but RU, I wanted to compare that with other programs. I thought it would be interesting to see how many recruits come from their home state compared to ours:

2015:
Alabama - 6 out of 23 - 26% from AL
Penn St. - 12 out of 25 - 48% from PA
Ohio St. - 12 out of 27 - 44% from OH
MD - 7 out of 18 - 39% from MD/DC area
RU - 5 out of 25 - 20% from NJ

so far in 2016 we have 3 out of 11 from NJ for about 27%, doing better than last year so far. I get it, get the best recruits from anywhere and NY, PA, FL are our Tier I recruiting spots, but based on the facts from the top teams, we need to at a minimum get 40% or more from NJ. If you go back to the 2011 class, we had about 54% from NJ, which I think should be the norm for us.

Not sure what the staff can do, it seems they are working their tail off, offering early, this class is shaping up nicely. I agree, if NJ kids don't want to come here, get the one's from NY, PA & FL like we are doing but getting 50% from NJ should be the norm and I really believe we are just touching the surface on how good our recruiting will become in the future.

You ignored the rankings of the recruits. 5* > 2 *

 

[JQRU91]

Oregon made the national championship last year. Their 2015 recruiting class had 0 of 22 from OR.

 

[T2Kplus10]

I'm probably stating the obvious here but seeing how the top Jersey kids all seem to want to go play anywhere but RU, I wanted to compare that with other programs. I thought it would be interesting to see how many recruits come from their home state compared to ours:

2015:
Alabama - 6 out of 23 - 26% from AL
Penn St. - 12 out of 25 - 48% from PA
Ohio St. - 12 out of 27 - 44% from OH
MD - 7 out of 18 - 39% from MD/DC area
RU - 5 out of 25 - 20% from NJ

so far in 2016 we have 3 out of 11 from NJ for about 27%, doing better than last year so far. I get it, get the best recruits from anywhere and NY, PA, FL are our Tier I recruiting spots, but based on the facts from the top teams, we need to at a minimum get 40% or more from NJ. If you go back to the 2011 class, we had about 54% from NJ, which I think should be the norm for us.

Not sure what the staff can do, it seems they are working their tail off, offering early, this class is shaping up nicely. I agree, if NJ kids don't want to come here, get the one's from NY, PA & FL like we are doing but getting 50% from NJ should be the norm and I really believe we are just touching the surface on how good our recruiting will become in the future.

I'm probably stating the obvious here but seeing how the top Jersey kids all seem to want to go play anywhere but RU, I wanted to compare that with other programs. I thought it would be interesting to see how many recruits come from their home state compared to ours:

2015:
Alabama - 6 out of 23 - 26% from AL
Penn St. - 12 out of 25 - 48% from PA
Ohio St. - 12 out of 27 - 44% from OH
MD - 7 out of 18 - 39% from MD/DC area
RU - 5 out of 25 - 20% from NJ

so far in 2016 we have 3 out of 11 from NJ for about 27%, doing better than last year so far. I get it, get the best recruits from anywhere and NY, PA, FL are our Tier I recruiting spots, but based on the facts from the top teams, we need to at a minimum get 40% or more from NJ. If you go back to the 2011 class, we had about 54% from NJ, which I think should be the norm for us.

Not sure what the staff can do, it seems they are working their tail off, offering early, this class is shaping up nicely. I agree, if NJ kids don't want to come here, get the one's from NY, PA & FL like we are doing but getting 50% from NJ should be the norm and I really believe we are just touching the surface on how good our recruiting will become in the future.

Sorry, this is a meaningless analysis. You can't compare the quality of in-state recruits that AL, OSU, and PSU get to our NJ recruits. It's night and day different. Those schools can cherry pick almost anyone they want and we rarely get a top-10 NJ kid.

You need to factor in ratings, not just sheer volume. All recruits are not created equal.

 

[Divine Providence]

I am not an RU grad, I throw that out there first, but I love RU Football and have donated more $$'s then many, many RU grads to this program.
Here it goes; the people of New Jersey absolutely HATE the "STATE" of New Jersey. Anything that they equate with the State Government is all reason for their highest taxes, legendary corruption, lack of services, etc. You grew up with the 'Rutgers Screw', we all grew up with the 'New Jersey Screw'. Everybody I know talks about moving from the state the moment they retire. 'New Jersey Fatigue' is a real ailment. Talk to your non RU neighbors with high school age kids, you will get more negative responses about RU then positive from people who know absolutely nothing about the university other then it is the "STATE University of New Jersey'.

RU isn't just losing the best in-state Football players, they are losing some of the best in-state students as well. Everybody has always known that the RU image is far stronger and more positive with out of state students and athletes, that's undebateable. To blame Kyle Flood for not getting commitments from the Top 10 players in the state is laughable. The people on this board who make him the scapegoat on a daily basis are completely wrong headed. Talk to guidance counselors in the state, I have, ask how many Top 10 students in senior classes are really interested in attending RU. If parents aren't going to send there 'students', they surely won't be sending their 'Football players.

Sorry for those of you who I have offended and would rather blame every problem on Kyle Flood, after all that would be a much easier, thoughtless reason for not gettging the NJ Top 10.

 

[vkj91]

Don't care where they come from if they can play. Many from this class would be top 20 NJ kids if they lived here.

 

[NorthernKnight]

I am not an RU grad, I throw that out there first, but I love RU Football and have donated more $$'s then many, many RU grads to this program.
Here it goes; the people of New Jersey absolutely HATE the "STATE" of New Jersey. Anything that they equate with the State Government is all reason for their highest taxes, legendary corruption, lack of services, etc. You grew up with the 'Rutgers Screw', we all grew up with the 'New Jersey Screw'. Everybody I know talks about moving from the state the moment they retire. 'New Jersey Fatigue' is a real ailment. Talk to your non RU neighbors with high school age kids, you will get more negative responses about RU then positive from people who know absolutely nothing about the university other then it is the "STATE University of New Jersey'.

RU isn't just losing the best in-state Football players, they are losing some of the best in-state students as well. Everybody has always known that the RU image is far stronger and more positive with out of state students and athletes, that's undebateable. To blame Kyle Flood for not getting commitments from the Top 10 players in the state is laughable. The people on this board who make him the scapegoat on a daily basis are completely wrong headed. Talk to guidance counselors in the state, I have, ask how many Top 10 students in senior classes are really interested in attending RU. If parents aren't going to send there 'students', they surely won't be sending their 'Football players.

Sorry for those of you who I have offended and would rather blame every problem on Kyle Flood, after all that would be a much easier, thoughtless reason for not gettging the NJ Top 10.

Spot on...

 

[cRURah]

Please stop with all the Jersey mentality psychoanalysis. There's is way too much time, energy and posts wasted on this board worrying about the top tier NJ kids going to RU. WhoTF cares? Very few of the top ranked NJ players turn out to any good in college anyway. While some have had decent college careers, there's barely a college star among the group over the last ten years. Turns out that the quality of NJ hs football is much overrated (this really pisses off some folks here). I love that we are now recruiting well out-of-state. Also love the fact that our last 3 commits accepted within a few days of the offer. I don't like being "played" by the 4 and 5 star Jersey HS players. "Go play out-of-state and don't let the door hit you in the behind on the way out."

 

[StyleKnight]

Oregon made the national championship last year. Their 2015 recruiting class had 0 of 22 from OR.

They also have Phil Knight bankrolling one of the biggest recruiting budgets.

 

[JQRU91]

They also have Phil Knight bankrolling one of the biggest recruiting budgets.

My point is without proper context you can cherry pick this sort of data to make a point. It's not very meaningful.

 

[Rokodesh]

Couldn't care less about state pride. The New York and PA kids are just as good without the entitlement

 

[greenknight]

rufan121 you have no CLUE

 

[wcfan10]

It's obvious why. Won't change until RU has a windfall of funding and can afford to pay the right personnel to draw talent and beat the upper tear teams.

Schiano and his staff were able to bring in top NJ recruits with about the same pay scale for assistants as Flood has now. So what is Flood's excuse?

Also, Flood got Herman to pay $500K for a OC...Schiano never had that $ to throw at a OC or DC....

 

[LotusAggressor]

They also have Phil Knight bankrolling one of the biggest recruiting budgets.

Phil Knight's money.buys top notch facilities and the ugly ass carnival uniforms that all the recruits love.

 

[RUONTHERISE]

Don't care where the players come from. just get the best players!

 

[Knight Shift]

I am not an RU grad, I throw that out there first, but I love RU Football and have donated more $$'s then many, many RU grads to this program.
Here it goes; the people of New Jersey absolutely HATE the "STATE" of New Jersey. Anything that they equate with the State Government is all reason for their highest taxes, legendary corruption, lack of services, etc. You grew up with the 'Rutgers Screw', we all grew up with the 'New Jersey Screw'. Everybody I know talks about moving from the state the moment they retire. 'New Jersey Fatigue' is a real ailment. Talk to your non RU neighbors with high school age kids, you will get more negative responses about RU then positive from people who know absolutely nothing about the university other then it is the "STATE University of New Jersey'.

RU isn't just losing the best in-state Football players, they are losing some of the best in-state students as well. Everybody has always known that the RU image is far stronger and more positive with out of state students and athletes, that's undebateable. To blame Kyle Flood for not getting commitments from the Top 10 players in the state is laughable. The people on this board who make him the scapegoat on a daily basis are completely wrong headed. Talk to guidance counselors in the state, I have, ask how many Top 10 students in senior classes are really interested in attending RU. If parents aren't going to send there 'students', they surely won't be sending their 'Football players.

Sorry for those of you who I have offended and would rather blame every problem on Kyle Flood, after all that would be a much easier, thoughtless reason for not gettging the NJ Top 10.

This. Was talking with a kid going to Northern Valley Regional HS in Bergen County. He's a Rutgers football fan. I asked him do most kids at the top of the class consider Rutgers in their choice of schools? He said that most kids consider Rutgers as a last resort. I asked him if these kids consider Penn State and Ohio State as more prestigious than Rutgers, and he said that is the general consensus among kids in his school. I then asked him if it was any different for football players, and he said the top kids want to play for a "big time" program. We have a lot to overcome. Someone said Just WIN. That will help. But there is an overall perception problem with going to Rutgers. Kyle Flood cannot fix that. He can fix the winning part, and I hope that he can.

 

[Rokodesh]

Schiano and his staff were able to bring in top NJ recruits with about the same pay scale for assistants as Flood has now. So what is Flood's excuse?

Also, Flood got Herman to pay $500K for a OC...Schiano never had that $ to throw at a OC or DC....

Your argument against coach flood is that he had to pay market value for a well regarded offensive coordinator?. Do you know what any top program pays for their assistants? Do you think any program has gotten there on the cheap?

Schiano never had to pay for his assistants because he was paid more than twice what flood earns and we didn't have the budget to allocate anything leftover, and it showed. I don't remember much of an offense outside of "give Ray the ball"

 

[wcfan10]

Your argument against coach flood is that he had to pay market value for a well regarded offensive coordinator?. Do you know what any top program pays for their assistants? Do you think any program has gotten there on the cheap?

Schiano never had to pay for his assistants because he was paid more than twice what flood earns and we didn't have the budget to allocate anything leftover, and it showed. I don't remember much of an offense outside of "give Ray the ball"

I know that good to excellent OC & DC go much higher then 500K (800K+)..That was not my point.

My point is that Schiano somehow managed to get some top NJ recruits, which Flood is currently not doing, while having similarly paid assistant coaches. That was my point. So its not necessarily the assistant salaries that make the difference. That was somebody mentioned above and to which I replied to.

 

[lighty]

"Phil Knight's money.buys top notch facilities and the ugly ass carnival uniforms that all the recruits love."

I know I'm in my forties and will never understand it, but what is the lure of those ugly uniforms?

 

[RaySt]

I am not an RU grad, I throw that out there first, but I love RU Football and have donated more $$'s then many, many RU grads to this program.
Here it goes; the people of New Jersey absolutely HATE the "STATE" of New Jersey. Anything that they equate with the State Government is all reason for their highest taxes, legendary corruption, lack of services, etc. You grew up with the 'Rutgers Screw', we all grew up with the 'New Jersey Screw'. Everybody I know talks about moving from the state the moment they retire. 'New Jersey Fatigue' is a real ailment. Talk to your non RU neighbors with high school age kids, you will get more negative responses about RU then positive from people who know absolutely nothing about the university other then it is the "STATE University of New Jersey'.

RU isn't just losing the best in-state Football players, they are losing some of the best in-state students as well. Everybody has always known that the RU image is far stronger and more positive with out of state students and athletes, that's undebateable. To blame Kyle Flood for not getting commitments from the Top 10 players in the state is laughable. The people on this board who make him the scapegoat on a daily basis are completely wrong headed. Talk to guidance counselors in the state, I have, ask how many Top 10 students in senior classes are really interested in attending RU. If parents aren't going to send there 'students', they surely won't be sending their 'Football players.

Sorry for those of you who I have offended and would rather blame every problem on Kyle Flood, after all that would be a much easier, thoughtless reason for not gettging the NJ Top 10.

What? I think there is some truth to what you are saying in terms of NJ self loathing and looking elsewhere for better things but you paint with far too broad a brush and speak from a small sample as fact. And many will read this here and take it as fact which trouble me as we ourselves perpetuate the "we suck" mantra. I too have many samples from which to draw on and many more have positive feelings toward RU than negative but I don't assume they represent the masses of the state. So many in this state aspire to RU, many also believe everything they read in the Ledger. It's a mixed bag of course. If you judge RU by the number of top ten student you are not steeped in reality. It's a really good school but not where you aspire it to reach. That's fine but perspective is important. Then again #1 and #2 from both my sister's HS class and mine went to RU and had many other options. A small sample but if that's what we are using to paint reality....

 

[RU Husky]

Rutgers is battling the currents of history. NJ has been a cuckoo state forever ( the cuckoo lays it's eggs in the nest of other birds). Geography, wealth and media work against RU's ability to keep the best, brightest and most gifted at home. The self loathing doesn't help.

 

[NorthernKnight]

What? I think there is some truth to what you are saying in terms of NJ self loathing and looking elsewhere for better things but you paint with far too broad a brush and speak from a small sample as fact. And many will read this here and take it as fact which trouble me as we ourselves perpetuate the "we suck" mantra. I too have many samples from which to draw on and many more have positive feelings toward RU than negative but I don't assume they represent the masses of the state. So many in this state aspire to RU, many also believe everything they read in the Ledger. It's a mixed bag of course. If you judge RU by the number of top ten student you are not steeped in reality. It's a really good school but not where you aspire it to reach. That's fine but perspective is important. Then again #1 and #2 from both my sister's HS class and mine went to RU and had many other options. A small sample but if that's what we are using to paint reality....

This board is a perfect example...filled with "we suck or we deserve to be shirt on" mentality.

We have collectively have fragile pride in rutgers...how can that be the catalyst to evangelize?

 

[NickyNewark51]

I'm probably stating the obvious here but seeing how the top Jersey kids all seem to want to go play anywhere but RU, I wanted to compare that with other programs. I thought it would be interesting to see how many recruits come from their home state compared to ours:

2015:
Alabama - 6 out of 23 - 26% from AL
Penn St. - 12 out of 25 - 48% from PA
Ohio St. - 12 out of 27 - 44% from OH
MD - 7 out of 18 - 39% from MD/DC area
RU - 5 out of 25 - 20% from NJ

so far in 2016 we have 3 out of 11 from NJ for about 27%, doing better than last year so far. I get it, get the best recruits from anywhere and NY, PA, FL are our Tier I recruiting spots, but based on the facts from the top teams, we need to at a minimum get 40% or more from NJ. If you go back to the 2011 class, we had about 54% from NJ, which I think should be the norm for us.

Not sure what the staff can do, it seems they are working their tail off, offering early, this class is shaping up nicely. I agree, if NJ kids don't want to come here, get the one's from NY, PA & FL like we are doing but getting 50% from NJ should be the norm and I really believe we are just touching the surface on how good our recruiting will become in the future.

Include the NYC kids and were fine but I agree with forty percent NJ as a general rule...NJ is large populationwise but small geographically so including NYC and environs translates well!!

 

[NickyNewark51]

Phil Knight's money.buys top notch facilities and the ugly ass carnival uniforms that all the recruits love.

Mike Locksley cured what ailed Maryland more than UA....it takes a lot to overcome a Randy Edsall!!! Before ML they were in chaos and the pitchforks were out for RE!!

 

[NickyNewark51]

Oregon made the national championship last year. Their 2015 recruiting class had 0 of 22 from OR.

Boise does pretty good with no instate recruiting!?!