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Some times the Shxt hits than fan all at the same time.


Last year we were an experienced team and did a good job in our first year in the big ten

Significant losses to graduation at key positions coming into this year - QB/OL/FB TE

Was going to be a rebuilding year anyway

Key Injuries to best Defensive and Offensive players on the team

Major Loss in defensive backfield due to dismissals and injury. ( Blame Flood if you want for these idiots doing what they did to get themselves in trouble… but I don’t. cant baby sit everyone) and to add to that, I’ have read many times on this board in recent years that some fans thought we should not be so concerned with recruiting “Rutgers men” and be a bit more lenient in character issues when recruiting players, in order to get better athletes - to WIN WIN WIN !!! But that is a whole other issue.

Defensive Line is not getting the job done Still need upgrade in athletes her

Across the board need to recruit better…. But I feel so much more of recruiting is based on the institution and cannot be overcome no matter who is doing the recruiting. And very hard to only blame the Head coach. Yes, flood may not be the most dynamic recruiter, but most of the issue is trying to get kids to come here is with the institution of Rutgers itself as opposed to Michigan, or OSU or other powers and all the other huge programs with all there fantastic facilities, huge stadiums, supportive fan bases etc. And the desire of NJ kids to leave the state. I have 3 kids who spurned Rutgers to go out of state and I see from all their friends, no one wants to stay in state. RU has become the school that these kids pick if their parents are unwilling to spend to go elsewhere. Probably different for athletes, but I would say there is a lot of the same attitude with NJ athletes. There will not be many coaches who are ever going to be able to come in here and overcome these obstacles and recruit that much better, until there is years and years of steady success and a major perception change. ( This will be a years and years process) And the next problem is convincing someone who actually could do that to even come here. The chances of that are slim. The issue is not only $$... why would a top coach want to come here and have to overcome all those inherent issues, before even doing the normal convincing required in recruiting. We will need to get luck in our next hire whenever that is.


And honestly…. The difference between blow out losses and more competitive games is not as great as people say. Things get out of hand and snowball in football games. Especially when you have major problems on defense. Look at Purdue Nebraska last week. How does something like that happen. I say Purdue plays Nebraska 10 times and this is the only time that blowout happens. Maybe the only time Purdue wins. Differences are not as great as many feel they are. Only as strong as your weakest link, and if we are playing #3’s and #4’s on the depth chart on defense in the backfield… from what we had in training camp… not hard to see how things snowball. And it carries over to the offense as well. Even w/o a coaching change things will be better next year. I am confident. Not great, but better.


I know the “:Win now” crew will not agree, but RU fans have to be more realistic and accept some mediocrity in this conference for a while... a long while. There is no magic that will make it get better. The slow and steady progress is our only way of making it in the big ten. I am convinced of this.
 
Major Loss in defensive backfield due to dismissals and injury. ( Blame Flood if you want for these idiots doing what they did to get themselves in trouble… but I don’t. cant baby sit everyone) and to add to that, I’ have read many times on this board in recent years that some fans thought we should not be so concerned with recruiting “Rutgers men” and be a bit more lenient in character issues when recruiting players, in order to get better athletes - to WIN WIN WIN !!!

Don't you find that highly ironic?
 
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Some times the Shxt hits than fan all at the same time.


Last year we were an experienced team and did a good job in our first year in the big ten

Significant losses to graduation at key positions coming into this year - QB/OL/FB TE

Was going to be a rebuilding year anyway

Key Injuries to best Defensive and Offensive players on the team

Major Loss in defensive backfield due to dismissals and injury. ( Blame Flood if you want for these idiots doing what they did to get themselves in trouble… but I don’t. cant baby sit everyone) and to add to that, I’ have read many times on this board in recent years that some fans thought we should not be so concerned with recruiting “Rutgers men” and be a bit more lenient in character issues when recruiting players, in order to get better athletes - to WIN WIN WIN !!! But that is a whole other issue.

Defensive Line is not getting the job done Still need upgrade in athletes her

Across the board need to recruit better…. But I feel so much more of recruiting is based on the institution and cannot be overcome no matter who is doing the recruiting. And very hard to only blame the Head coach. Yes, flood may not be the most dynamic recruiter, but most of the issue is trying to get kids to come here is with the institution of Rutgers itself as opposed to Michigan, or OSU or other powers and all the other huge programs with all there fantastic facilities, huge stadiums, supportive fan bases etc. And the desire of NJ kids to leave the state. I have 3 kids who spurned Rutgers to go out of state and I see from all their friends, no one wants to stay in state. RU has become the school that these kids pick if their parents are unwilling to spend to go elsewhere. Probably different for athletes, but I would say there is a lot of the same attitude with NJ athletes. There will not be many coaches who are ever going to be able to come in here and overcome these obstacles and recruit that much better, until there is years and years of steady success and a major perception change. ( This will be a years and years process) And the next problem is convincing someone who actually could do that to even come here. The chances of that are slim. The issue is not only $$... why would a top coach want to come here and have to overcome all those inherent issues, before even doing the normal convincing required in recruiting. We will need to get luck in our next hire whenever that is.


And honestly…. The difference between blow out losses and more competitive games is not as great as people say. Things get out of hand and snowball in football games. Especially when you have major problems on defense. Look at Purdue Nebraska last week. How does something like that happen. I say Purdue plays Nebraska 10 times and this is the only time that blowout happens. Maybe the only time Purdue wins. Differences are not as great as many feel they are. Only as strong as your weakest link, and if we are playing #3’s and #4’s on the depth chart on defense in the backfield… from what we had in training camp… not hard to see how things snowball. And it carries over to the offense as well. Even w/o a coaching change things will be better next year. I am confident. Not great, but better.


I know the “:Win now” crew will not agree, but RU fans have to be more realistic and accept some mediocrity in this conference for a while... a long while. There is no magic that will make it get better. The slow and steady progress is our only way of making it in the big ten. I am convinced of this.
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OP's recruiting theory doesn't past the smell test.

Schiano recruited better in a subpar conference. Rutgers isn't USC, but a coach with any charisma at all can sell what Rutgers now has more than what we see from Flood.

If he signs this class, it isn't terrible, but few would say it is to the level Rutgers should expect to be or can be.

As for everything else, it is a perfect storm for Flood because he is mule of a coach, who is overwhelmed by other much more accomplished and smarter coaches.

I sense he would be a really nice high school coach at some parochial school where he can teach too. It seems to be the right fit. He can focus on molding kids, teach in a classroom which he likes, and doesn't have to match wits every Sat. with guys who are far more advanced than him. On some level, it must be demoralizing for him to know he doesn't stack up.
 
The funny thing is he says he believes a major portion of our fan base thinks the way he does, especially ones who don't post on these boards.

I ask you people flat out, besides this guy slyker…do you know anyone who remotely agrees with his thoughts?

There's no doubt in my he and the poster extra point post the way they do because they're shock whores and love the attention.
 
Cali - I'm not sold on this class to be honest. Could end up being a "tad" better, than the last 3, but not likely. Its ranking has dropped, and will drop more, with or without Flood. Currently we're sitting at:

Rivals - 45th
247 - 49th
 
With the possible exception of the arrests, every other team in America has the same personnel losses every year. Yes, some years are worse than others, but kids still graduate, transfer, get hurt, etc..
The problem is that Flood was just unable to do what good programs do and that is recruit replacement players. These other teams also have the necessary depth to red shirt the true Freshmen so they can get stronger and academically set. It is still pretty rare to see true Freshmen just start college football and they are usually the highest ranked players in the country who are absolutely untouchable by the 99% of the programs.
Finally, it is really about the coaching. Michigan is a prime example of what a really great coach can do for a program. He inherited what was left. Truth is that Michigan recruits really great players and it was simply poor coaching that made them what they were just a short year ago. Our coaching appears to be trying to minimize the damage in games. It is unimaginative and basic. Other teams are rarely fooled by what we do and, if it happens, they adjust to it and that is that. Bottom line is that we have no plan B.
If Flood is let go, the new guy will not be inheriting a Michigan type program. We are a MAC type program trying to play with way too many big boys. This is where we were when RU first went "big time" by just signing up to play the Alabamas of the world. We continued to some extent with our version of playing "big" with numerous coaches who got very little to work with until GS showed up.
You mention rebuilding year. Well, we have a major construction project ahead of us with what building brinks are currently available. No matter what happens, this will not be easy.
 
Cali - I'm not sold on this class to be honest. Could end up being a "tad" better, than the last 3, but not likely. Its ranking has dropped, and will drop more, with or without Flood. Currently we're sitting at:

Rivals - 45th
247 - 49th
There are a few B1G TEN football players in this class, we know who they are.

For the most part this class will be filled with very good high school players who don't have the extra gear or play making ability to make a difference.
 
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How dumb do you have to be to use "inexperienced QB" to defend a coach who wouldn't bench his starter and give the backup experience even when the starter threw 5 INT's?
 
Last year we were an experienced team and did a good job in our first year in the big ten

Last year was mostly empty calories against bad or sketchy teams. Howard and Tulane were tackling dummies. Washington St had like 2 wins all year. Indiana won 4. Navy (maybe best of win game teams) and Maryland were on weak side of mediocre with just barely winning records. UNC was known to take every other week off (East Carolina beat them by 70-something). Every good team pulverized RU the same as this year. Last year RU beat a truly crappy Michigan and it went to some people's heads (who cant tell when an opponent is playing like dog mess). Of course the season before RU was embarrassed by Kent St and didn't really beat good teams either. Three coaches has to be fired. Flood should have been the fourth. Now RU isn't a good program having a bad year. Its a bad program in demise. The foundations are cracking. Good coaches with sense wouldn't want to come to RU. Alas RU's problem is its admins. They are a strange lot.
 
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Last year was mostly empty calories against bad or sketchy teams. Howard and Tulane were tackling dummies. Washington St had like 2 wins all year. Indiana won 4. Navy (maybe best of win game teams) and Maryland were on weak side of mediocre with just barely winning records. UNC was known to take every other week off (East Carolina beat them by 70-something). Every good team pulverized RU the same as this year. Last year RU beat a truly crappy Michigan and it went to some people's heads (who cant tell when an opponent is playing like dog mess). Of course the season before RU was embarrassed by Kent St and didn't really beat good teams either. Three coaches has to be fired. Flood should have been the fourth. Now RU isn't a good program having a bad year. Its a bad program in demise. The foundations are cracking. Good coaches with sense wouldn't want to come to RU. Alas RU's problem is its admins. They are a strange lot.


Hey I never said we were anything special last year. We did a good job in the first year of a behemouth conference. Exceeded everyones expectations. Were picked to finish last in the B1G east.. and finished with 3 conference wins. And dont use Wash state as a meaningless win. Yes, Washington state wound up with a bad season overall. but we played them in their first game when their star quarterback was still healthy and available to play. A few weeks later, that team only lost to Oregon by a touchdown and gave them quite a scare. . They were competitive in every Pac 12 game they played until Halliday broke his leg.
 
Stfu with your loser mentality. Again, I'm going to say this. The team is regressing and the coach has done nothing to stop it. He has made horrible hires at the coordinator position and should be fired for that alone. He can't recruit in state and no one wants to play for him. Stop your nonsense. After a season like this, Flood will has zero chance to recruit any talent to close out this class and won't land anyone for the 2017 class. Why don't you get that. If coach Flood did his job well, losing someone like Nova would not be that big of a blow. He was a good QB, but not great. He won us games, but he should not be that hard to replace. Stop making excuses.
 
Either NY friend or relative or lives in CL dorm/apt. It's pretty onvious all of his posts are to "help" a certain cause--and it aint the RUTGERS one. Doesn't really seem to care about RU but just justifying CL and Flood failures which are of course linked.
 
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Some times the Shxt hits than fan all at the same time.


Last year we were an experienced team and did a good job in our first year in the big ten

Significant losses to graduation at key positions coming into this year - QB/OL/FB TE

Was going to be a rebuilding year anyway

Key Injuries to best Defensive and Offensive players on the team

Major Loss in defensive backfield due to dismissals and injury. ( Blame Flood if you want for these idiots doing what they did to get themselves in trouble… but I don’t. cant baby sit everyone) and to add to that, I’ have read many times on this board in recent years that some fans thought we should not be so concerned with recruiting “Rutgers men” and be a bit more lenient in character issues when recruiting players, in order to get better athletes - to WIN WIN WIN !!! But that is a whole other issue.

Defensive Line is not getting the job done Still need upgrade in athletes her

Across the board need to recruit better…. But I feel so much more of recruiting is based on the institution and cannot be overcome no matter who is doing the recruiting. And very hard to only blame the Head coach. Yes, flood may not be the most dynamic recruiter, but most of the issue is trying to get kids to come here is with the institution of Rutgers itself as opposed to Michigan, or OSU or other powers and all the other huge programs with all there fantastic facilities, huge stadiums, supportive fan bases etc. And the desire of NJ kids to leave the state. I have 3 kids who spurned Rutgers to go out of state and I see from all their friends, no one wants to stay in state. RU has become the school that these kids pick if their parents are unwilling to spend to go elsewhere. Probably different for athletes, but I would say there is a lot of the same attitude with NJ athletes. There will not be many coaches who are ever going to be able to come in here and overcome these obstacles and recruit that much better, until there is years and years of steady success and a major perception change. ( This will be a years and years process) And the next problem is convincing someone who actually could do that to even come here. The chances of that are slim. The issue is not only $$... why would a top coach want to come here and have to overcome all those inherent issues, before even doing the normal convincing required in recruiting. We will need to get luck in our next hire whenever that is.


And honestly…. The difference between blow out losses and more competitive games is not as great as people say. Things get out of hand and snowball in football games. Especially when you have major problems on defense. Look at Purdue Nebraska last week. How does something like that happen. I say Purdue plays Nebraska 10 times and this is the only time that blowout happens. Maybe the only time Purdue wins. Differences are not as great as many feel they are. Only as strong as your weakest link, and if we are playing #3’s and #4’s on the depth chart on defense in the backfield… from what we had in training camp… not hard to see how things snowball. And it carries over to the offense as well. Even w/o a coaching change things will be better next year. I am confident. Not great, but better.


I know the “:Win now” crew will not agree, but RU fans have to be more realistic and accept some mediocrity in this conference for a while... a long while. There is no magic that will make it get better. The slow and steady progress is our only way of making it in the big ten. I am convinced of this.

Have you watched any of our games outside of Norfolf?
 
The funny thing is he says he believes a major portion of our fan base thinks the way he does, especially ones who don't post on these boards.

I ask you people flat out, besides this guy slyker…do you know anyone who remotely agrees with his thoughts?.

Funnily enough, I would argue I'm (anecdotal) evidence to the contrary. I've been reading this board for years (and only joined earlier this year to give some guidance in a thread re: Rutgers Law School). But, I never signed up or posted because I've never been a Flood guy, and have wanted him gone for two years because it was readily apparent to me what his ceiling was as both coach and recruiter. Why did I never say any of this on this board? I didn't feel like mixing it up with the pro-Flood crowd.

That crowd (and I can think of a few in particular) would either: (1) Say "You only have three posts. You must be a troll/bandwagoner/know nothing about football."; (2) Tell me I'm an idiot for doubting Flood's recruiting deficiencies (Their argument: "Oh yeah? Well what about KEMOKO TURAY!? He was only a two-star too", while spelling Turay's name wrong); (3) Say that Flood needs more time, and that I'm obviously just impatient (and again, know nothing about football/winning). They were also the first to post threads specifically calling out the anti-Flood crowd any time something remotely good happened. It was caustic.

But, now, I can feel comfortable writing on here as a pro-winning fan (FYI: pro-winning and pro-Flood are mutually exclusive). So here's me checking in from the "silent" majority: Flood is incompetent, has set the program back years, and needs to go.

Ensuing posts about how I'm a troll in 3...2...1...
 
How dumb do you have to be to use "inexperienced QB" to defend a coach who wouldn't bench his starter and give the backup experience even when the starter threw 5 INT's?
Flood completely lost my support when he said that he decided in advance that he wouldn't make a decision about taking Laviano out until the 4th quarter. That kind of stubbornness and inflexibility is beyond belief.
 
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