Per NJ.Com Hurley and Jay Williams Have Interviewed

[bac2therac]

Williams has never been a coach...so its comical to say we dont if Hurley is better...omfg dont get sucked into. I could present an impressive plan to Hobbs on how to fix this and I wouldnt be hired. Jay williams isnt a pioneer..let him start somewhere and if he wins then we can consider him. Leta go after Doug Gottleib

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

1. Maybe we really don't have $
2. Who knows if he won't be a good coach
3. What if he brings 2-3 seasoned assistants

Just being devils advocate

X and O's are important, but it is only 1 of many skill sets needed to succeed.

 

[bac2therac]

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I totally get what you're saying, but Williams could be an absolute home run. Great pedigree, great player, and I think he would be so hungry to succeed based on how his career ended.
The somewhat successful mid-major coaching hand has been played here already. At this point, I'm willing to really roll the dice. You and most others are not. I get it.

If true why hasnt he been coaching anywhere..why dont other schools hire men with no experience coaching. What we need to do is get a coach and invest in the program for once. Its not rocket science. You dont have to make it more complicated than it is

 

[wheezer]

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I totally get what you're saying, but Williams could be an absolute home run. Great pedigree, great player, and I think he would be so hungry to succeed based on how his career ended.
The somewhat successful mid-major coaching hand has been played here already. At this point, I'm willing to really roll the dice. You and most others are not. I get it.

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I also get it....... You would be making a hire based on gut..... Then hoping he can recruit and hoping he can coach.... We can't make a hire like that..... It really makes no sense

 

[bac2therac]

And there really is zero comparison to Ash if aome are thinking that way. The equivalent would be hiring Ray Rice or Sean O Hara as head coach today

 

[ruman]

And there really is zero comparison to Ash if aome are thinking that way. The equivalent would be hiring Ray Rice or Sean O Hara as head coach today

No - they came here. Its Brian Toal or Dwayne Jarrett

 

[Toddwills00]

If Hobbs feels Jay Williams is the best man to lead this program going forward. Then I will roll with Jay. I am sure he picked up some things from Coach K.

 

[S.B. Crumb]

And there really is zero comparison to Ash if aome are thinking that way. The equivalent would be hiring Ray Rice or Sean O Hara as head coach today

More like hiring Tim Tebow as HC, a bit better than your examples but that's not saying much...I agree with your general sentiment.

 

[cRURah]

JW would be huge, bringing instant credibility to RU. He will be a terrific coach in college. I'll bet he knocked it out of the park during his interview. Can you imagine the recruiting class he will bring in? He's a legend in the game and has stayed as connected as one could be. A home run hire for Rutgers if it happens.

 

[RocktheRac]

OMG... I can't believe some of this experiment thinking. Do any of you go to games and watch?

 

[DHajekRC84]

I have no issue with the interview (nor is my permission required as I am not in charge). I guess I am in the 1% in that at least I see some really interesting things here. He blows away the others on connections and what he can say he did..and I certainly think he has a high BBall IQ with a solid understanding of the game. And I am sure he can relate to the younger players. A Shaka Smart type of coach. (not sure what Shaka's experience was prior to VCU)... clearly the lack of coaching experience is a huge consideration that blows this up for the 99%.

I like that he wants to be the head coach at Rutgers.

I am not sold on Hurley given what we can see his record has been. With the GW coach, I have seen his team play against us now a few times and can see the value there. But if we're going to reach down into a MAAC type league it would be just another experiment again anyway. So go big (Sendek/Lonergan (SP)) or this would fit into plan B (IMHO). It would at least be another interesting 3 years LOL.

 

[RU82]

Just think of the money we could save by hiring someone who has never coached a basketball team.

:chairshot:

 

[RU_DIO]

Would Williams have the ability to coach? Is he a great leader? Can he attract top level talent here? Can he bring in a top flight staff?

If the answers are all yes then you can consider him.

But with RU's luck, it would have all the makings of another disaster.

 

[rutgersguy1]

And there really is zero comparison to Ash if aome are thinking that way. The equivalent would be hiring Ray Rice or Sean O Hara as head coach today

You can't compare to Ash he coached up to a level one step below the HC position. Williams hasn't coached anything anywhere. Lacking HC experience is much different than lacking coaching experience full stop.

I said in one of the other threads if you gave me a 100 guesses I wouldn't have come up with his name and I too would look in a different direction. I'm cool on Hurley but other names like Cluess, Dooley are good for me and a Lonergan and Sendek a step above.

I've said as a typical fan it's hard to point to anything when you have a candidate like Williams without any coaching experience at all. But I'll throw this out there anyway, what do you think makes guys like Hoiberg, Kerr, Jackson, Bird and a few others do solid to very good jobs and others like Mullin, at least in his first year, or a Fisher struggle.

 

[ruman]

Would Williams have the ability to coach? Is he a great leader? Can he attract top level talent here? Can he bring in a top flight staff?

If the answers are all yes then you can consider him.

But with RU's luck, it would have all the makings of another disaster.

He's never coached. You wouldn't ever know

 

[bac2therac]

This reminds me of the story of Fred Hill coming into Uncle Bob's office a few years before he was hired with a large notebook on how to fix Rutgers hoops. We see how that turned out but in Freddies defense at least he was a known recruiter and was a long time assistant. He moved up through the ranks. Jay Williams wants a silver spoon and apparently Hobbs seems duped in act of desperation

 

[rutgersal]

Jay Williams has a national championship ring, was twice an All American, was twice All ACC, and was the 2nd pick in the NBA draft. Hurley didn't sniff the NBA, and as a player couldn't carry Jay Wills jockstrap.

Jay Will brings credibility as far as knowing what it takes to make the NBA, and that's important in recruiting. I could see the wisdom in interviewing such a guy.

Hobbs is just interviewing people to see what the market is offering and to get ideas. Let's be patient and let him go through his process.

 

[bac2therac]

JW would be huge, bringing instant credibility to RU. He will be a terrific coach in college. I'll bet he knocked it out of the park during his interview. Can you imagine the recruiting class he will bring in? He's a legend in the game and has stayed as connected as one could be. A home run hire for Rutgers if it happens.

really? like his is some pioneer and this is how college coaches are hired..if he is so great why hasnt he been hired, why doesnt he apply at the opening at James Madison..tell me one thing he has done where he should be appointed head basketball coach at a Big 10 school

running a college program involves alot of things, Eddie Jordan found that out and he couldnt teach defense. So its laughable to think Willaims would

 

[RocktheRac]

Jay Williams has a national championship ring, was twice an All American, was twice All ACC, and was the 2nd pick in the NBA draft. Hurley didn't sniff the NBA, and as a player couldn't carry Jay Wills jockstrap.

Jay Will brings credibility as far as knowing what it takes to make the NBA, and that's important in recruiting. I could see the wisdom in interviewing such a guy.

Hobbs is just interviewing people to see what the market is offering and to get ideas. Let's be patient and let him go through his process.

Jordan...knew what it took to make the NBA equals FAIL
Who cares about ACC Championship, Nat champ rings. all ACC........why not get Michael Jordan?

 

[MadRU]

Eddie played and coached in the NBA.

 

[RUsojo]

This is hiring a head coach for basketball not a guinea pig experiment. Hobbs will lose all my support by hiring a guy who has no experience even as an assistant. What has Jay Williams done that should allow a Big 10 school to hand him over the keys to the program without moving through the ranks. Even the fact that Hobbsis cconsidering it is making me sick as a Rutgers fan. A chance to hire a coach and once again we have an AD looking at buying a powerball ticket in a remote hope to cash in rather than do the dirty work thats needed

I don't think you realize how unattractive this job is with the resources currently available...

Who cares what tv analysts say..of course they will support him. National media will fawn over but they could give two shits about Rutgers. Williams is perfectly allowed to get a head job at a low low level. I am trying to figure out why Hobbs would think he is owed a major job


At this point we could have kept Eddie Jordan because you know at least he was a loyal son while Williams was a benedict arnold...let

Now this is funny.

I hope Jay Williams isn't the selection, but we discussed your "complete faith" in Hobbs and your support for his decisions going forward. If this happens then what? Will you renig?

 

[Scarlet Pride]

"If you worked at IBM, like Jason has basketball-wise for 15 years, you'd be the most sought after person in that field. It's only in coaching where they say, 'Well, no, he doesn't have any experience,' '' Smith said. "Well, what are you talking about? Jay has the pedigree obviously playing under Coach K and now what he's done to elevate himself to one of the premier analysts in college basketball. So you don't count any of that?

I love this quote. Does Kenny Smith think Google would hire a guy that was in marketing at IBM for 15 years to write code and design their next major product? Media members are the worst people to listen to when it comes to hiring decisions. They have no accountability, no stake (emotionally or financially), and only know the very basic headline details of any school, job, etc. Kenny Smith is further down the list of people I would listen to than Jay Bilas. And I wouldn't listen to what Jay Bilas had to say on a high school coach.

 

[bac2therac]

Jay Williams has a national championship ring, was twice an All American, was twice All ACC, and was the 2nd pick in the NBA draft. Hurley didn't sniff the NBA, and as a player couldn't carry Jay Wills jockstrap.

Jay Will brings credibility as far as knowing what it takes to make the NBA, and that's important in recruiting. I could see the wisdom in interviewing such a guy.

Hobbs is just interviewing people to see what the market is offering and to get ideas. Let's be patient and let him go through his process.

and we fired our loyal son who took us to the Final 4 who was in the NBA as coach and playe rand coached legends. We didnt have to do that to hire another one who has no connection this school and who bailed on it actually.

its not about NBA...its about college basketball

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

It's great job.....low expectations, AD that is providing full support for basketball for the first time in decades and B1G money coming down the road. And you follow one of the worse college coaching jobs in the last 10-15 years, although I believe Eddie restocked the shelves so to speak, he just didn't do much with the talent assembled.

This roster is light-years ahead of what Mike Rice inherited at double or triple the pay we started Rice with less than 8 years ago and you instantly go from 1.5M to north of 2M and become Schiano 2.0 who followed Terry Shea and received far more credit that what he deserved in my opinion.

Regarding Williams, I am open to him taking the job, because I believe he can win here and has assembled a staff that would compete with the rest of the conference, if the names I'm hearing about materialize. I think the staff would account for the lack of experience he clearly lacks when coaching at this level. Part of the presentation covering that aspect, is why he landed the interview in the first place.

The question becomes, do you officially have to sit next to Coach K during games to know basketball like Wojo, Chris Collin, Johnny Dawkins etc to "earn your stripes", or do you know enough basketball regardless?? If Williams went through the process and sat on the bench for 2 years, I doubt anyone would be complaining about him as a candidate.....Wojo and Chris Collins are no more qualified than Williams to capture this type of job, Wojo landed at Marquette and Collins at Northwestern with staffs that support and make up for the lack of HC experience that BOTH candidates didn't have prior to getting those jobs.....one job in Marquette that was an established winning and well funded program.

Hurley has a chance to earn 20M dollars over the next 10 years, if he does average work at RU. He will earn an extension for getting RU to bubble status...these are where expectations are at this point. I personally think we can land other candidates beyond Williams, if Hurley isn't smart enough to take the job, but common sense sometimes goes out the window, while worrying about other stuff that doesn't matter (facilities).....you need wins, defense and heart. You find the candidate that is going to pour their energy into this and go with him.

 

[newell138]

I am more intrigued by the possibilities of a JW than the possibilities of a DH. I dont get the lovefest for Hurley, average player, average success at an average program.

 

[bac2therac]

Now this is funny.

I hope Jay Williams isn't the selection, but we discussed your "complete faith" in Hobbs and your support for his decisions going forward. If this happens then what? Will you renig?

yes because I couldnt believe he would be that stupid but we will see..maybe its just a smokescreen and this Hurley thing gets done today. I should calm down because Wiliams isnt here yet

 

[RUsojo]

yes because I couldnt believe he would be that stupid but we will see..maybe its just a smokescreen and this Hurley thing gets done today. I should calm down because Wiliams isnt here yet

I think you'll be alright. Williams has to literally be the last choice possible. If he is hired it really means no actual coach wants this job for 1M-1.5M and this far away from the new facilities promise.

 

[cyrock3]

Steve Kerr, Mark Jackson, Fred Hoiberg, Jason Kidd, etc.

All really bad examples of players who became head coaches without any real experience. They all did pretty bad work at their jobs.

 

[ScarletLongIsland]

Regarding Williams, I am open to him taking the job, because I believe he can win here and has assembled a staff that would compete with the rest of the conference, if the names I'm hearing about materialize. I think the staff would account for the lack of experience he clearly lacks when coaching at this level. Part of the presentation covering that aspect, is why he landed the interview in the first place.

This. I would take Jay Williams with some really good assistants.

 

[Scarlet Pride]

yes because I couldnt believe he would be that stupid but we will see..maybe its just a smokescreen and this Hurley thing gets done today. I should calm down because Wiliams isnt here yet

I can only imagine this board if Jay Williams is hired. If he gets the job, I'm not even going to bother complaining. I'm just going straight to the closest church, synagogue, mosque, or temple to pray for divine intervention.

 

[bac2therac]

I think you'll be alright. Williams has to literally be the last choice possible. If he is hired it really means no actual coach wants this job for 1M-1.5M and this far away from the new facilities promise.

it needs to be hammered out with Hurley..cut the nonsense and give what he feels he needs. I am fine with Pikiell, I would even be fine with Maisello but you get someone in here with head coaching assistant, if Jay Williams wants to be the third assistant than bring him on board

 

[Scarlet Pride]

Steve Kerr, Mark Jackson, Fred Hoiberg, Jason Kidd, etc.

All really bad examples of players who became head coaches without any real experience. They all did pretty bad work at their jobs.

Well not all but I definitely agree with your point.

 

[RU fanatic]

I think bringing him on as an assistant is a good idea. UNC did it with Hubert Davis who had never been a coach also. While I don't support Williams as HC I think he brings some recognition and credibility from being on ESPN and I think he can help with the development of our guards. As an assistant it's not a bad choice.

 

[rufan4ever]

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I totally get what you're saying, but Williams could be an absolute home run. Great pedigree, great player, and I think he would be so hungry to succeed based on how his career ended.
The somewhat successful mid-major coaching hand has been played here already. At this point, I'm willing to really roll the dice. You and most others are not. I get it.

College coaching is 80% recruiting, 20% coaching.
Williams most likely will be able to recruit.
Everyone knows who he is.
Rutgers will be in the national spot light.
I think it's worth the roll of the dice.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

It's easier to be a good coach than to recruit top tier talent. And that is why I really wouldn't be too mad about a Jay Williams hire.

 

[bac2therac]

Steve Kerr, Mark Jackson, Fred Hoiberg, Jason Kidd, etc.

All really bad examples of players who became head coaches without any real experience. They all did pretty bad work at their jobs.

i would say big big differences there...not a a school that does not support basketball. Hoiberg was from Iowa State wasnt he, like went to school...ditto for Mullin...rest is NBA where I could give a shit about because its totally different than college

we just fired a loyal son who was a player and had connections. The big knock was he was a NBA coach, now some people want to hire a guy who isnt even a coach...brilliant

 

[chrisru99]

99% of the people on this board (including me) have no idea who would be a better head coach - Hurley or Williams. This is why you have a AD - trust Hobbs to make the decision. Seems like a sharp guy since he got here.

You are so right we all have opinions and that is the purpose of this board. Let Hobbs do his job and we can all hope for the best. If you really want to help Rutgers open up your checkbook and give to the build fund. That is where you really can make a difference. GO RU

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

i would say big big differences there...not a a school that does not support basketball. Hoiberg was from Iowa State wasnt he, like went to school...ditto for Mullin...rest is NBA where I could give a shit about because its totally different than college

we just fired a loyal son who was a player and had connections. The big knock was he was a NBA coach, now some people want to hire a guy who isnt even a coach...brilliant

If that's the case, wouldn't Jay Williams actually be a positive for this program as with our lack of facilities which area huge negative against us, he'd be able to recruit top tier talent? And if you say, "well there's no track record of him recruiting, so how do you know?" He's a young black coach, who is very well known and from NJ, he'd kill it recruiting.

 

[bac2therac]

haha I love some of these responses.....it so easy to be a coach and so easy to recruit especially to here..no experience needed because we have a bunch of blind faithers who just assume it just happen

amazing how 25 years of futility makes people forget how hard it is to coach and recruit here but geez Jay Wiliams he is the second coming of Jesus..he do it all.

 

[RU_DIO]

This reminds me of the story of Fred Hill coming into Uncle Bob's office a few years before he was hired with a large notebook on how to fix Rutgers hoops. We see how that turned out but in Freddies defense at least he was a known recruiter and was a long time assistant. He moved up through the ranks. Jay Williams wants a silver spoon and apparently Hobbs seems duped in act of desperation

I had this conversation with Fred Hill in Villanova's locker room a year before he was hired here. Scary that he was a good assistant coach and such a bad head coach.

This is why Jay Williams getting hired is scary. He could be a great hire but probably would be a really bad hire. I don't think the fan base can handle another crappy regime.