Kiy Hester is a heckuva player, pal. And news flash we are. It Michigan!!!! Just Bc he may not have started there, which is untrue, doesn't mean he wouldn't be a good player for us.
Per TH: Ahmir Mitchell Leaning Towards RU
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ITT we learn Skoolie's Rutgers fandom does not extend back to when Sean Seabrooks played.
I'll disagree here. Even if you are right. One guy out of how many the past decade? 10-15?
I'm sure if you go back a few more decades you'll find another outlier...my point remains. The hit rate on taking these guys and then panning out is abysmal.
This is a lot different situation than a player who can't crack the two deep at a program in a couple years then transfers here. This is more like the Kiy Hester situation and he started 7 games last year. Kids only been at UM for what, like 6 months. How can you possibly write off or compare a true freshman to these past situations. How many other true freshman have transferred here in the past few decades? Answer is probably none, this is a very unique situation.
What is there to disagree on? That Kiy Hester is not an impact player? That's ludicrous.
The hit rate isn't great, but how many former top 150 players have we brought into the program in the last 15 years?
Examples of transfers working out can be found all over the country, every single year.
I agree with your point on the overall success rate of transfers, but Seabrooks was a 2nd team all-Big East safety as recently as 2002.
Disagree on the length of time it will take...if we can maintain this 2017 class near the top 30... recruit a top 25 class for 2018's we can move into the top 1/2 of the EAST division in 2019...I also think we have better talent than what many think... If Ahmir Mitchell is cleared by the school and wants Rutgers then you take him...
If he was an OL or a DL I can see this argument.
Outside of QB, I am not so worried about our future (immediate or otherwise) with regards to the skills positions.
While I agree with you on this, JH would have no problem letting a player go who he thought was not as talented as the others on his team. But, in our current situation, he still may be good enough to be one of our top WR's next year. That position is pretty damn depleted at the moment.
It would also be a great recruiting coup for keeping NJ kids home.
Tsimis got a medical RS and will be back next year. Mitchell won't have impact right away anyway. How many kids are starting at WR as a Frosh here? Not many. He will be good but he's not a savior. Not next year anyways.
so, here is the other question...if he does come and does sit out this year, is he eligible to practice, workout with team, go to meetings etc? If so, it will act as a RS Freshman year and no reason he couldnt be ready to perform next year.
The rumor is that he was caught smoking(cigs) in the dorms, and had words with the coaches. Hardly a druggie.
Great news on Tsimis. However, I can't for the life of me see why you don't think Mitchell would make an impact next year. He was a top 150 player in the country in high school, and will be a RS freshman (remember we're talking 2017). Skill players of that caliber, even at the top programs, usually start making an impact by their second year. And we don't have anywhere near top program-caliber depth at WR.
Ahhhhhh I totally forgot about Royster (the SC and SPP player), that's a valid point and I apologize. Normally, I shy away from transfers because they tend to be guys who couldn't hack it at a USC or Michigan. However, in a situation such as this one (and Hester) either the environment wasn't right or the player had a rough summer. Who knows, I won't cry either way.
My take on this is that he got there and quickly realized he made a mistake. So just like many other 18 year olds he began to lash out against his superiors, in this case his coaches and acting out.
Eventually Harbaugh realized that he was better off cutting ties than having a cancer in the locker room.
I lost a little bit of respect for the people on here who are so quick to point at him and say he is a bad kid and lame transfer after being on the Michigan roster since June and no real evidence of any major wrongdoing exists.
I can't understand why we as a fanbase are alway so negative about everything. We as fans are our own worst enemy.
Let's also be honest here. JH wanted to make a mark on NJ last year in an all out effort to land Gary. JH got his crown jewel and the add ons really don't matter to him now. In a non Gary year, I think only Walker and Johnson would be true takes for Michigan
I agree with every word of this. ...and as usual many in our fanbase can't see the forest through the trees, and just start spouting stupid nonsense from their bully internet pulpits about 18 year olds.
Melton and Mitchell would make for a very promising young WR corps on the Banks next year. If Ash& Co. are satisfied with AM after their vetting I say sign him up.
I am also not going to fault the kids either. The draw of Michigan is real and all players getting D1 offers, believe they could play for any team in CFB.
I'm surprised at how little you think of Mitchell. You really think Walker and Johnson are that much better players then Mitchell? Their class was ranked #4 in the country by Rivals, and Mitchell was the 6th highest rated player in the class (above both Walker and Johnson, as well as the other NJ kid Hawkins). I know recruiting rankings don't mean everything but the kid's a beast; at 18 already looks like a prototypical WR.
Kind of doubt that he will get a special waiver to be in uniform in just a few weeks - but since his class graduated from high school just about 90 days ago (yes, he enrolled at Michigan in January) - and since he has not & never will play a single down for Michigan - and was entirely removed from the team over ten days before the season even started, it would seem that - with a well crafted strategy, he should be able to make a case for retaining his 4 years - and simply burning this year as a sit-out / pseudo-red-shirt year.
With a really really well crafted strategy, the decision makers would be painfully aware that stridently enforcing the rule will make them look like punitive bullies - basically screwing this kid who never even got withing ten days of putting on a game day uniform - let alone actually playing in an official game. Ultimately 3 years of eligibility / 4 years may not matter - he could graduate with the class of 2020 & move on - if he is a star that would be the likely path
Have -zero- idea as to what the issue was that caused him to be jettisoned from the team - but clearly Harbaugh banished him for all eternity - yes, technically he could have tried to get back - but the terms were that he was severed from the team - he would have to pay his own tuition, room & board & etc. for the fall semester - and then come and grovel to Harbaugh to gain permission to try-out for the team in the spring semester ( would guess that he could have to ante up $$ to attend in the spring too.) When it is all laid out - it seems pretty clear that Harbaugh would only have let him back on the team approximately a month after Hell froze over.
With a really really well crafted strategy, the decision makers would be painfully aware that stridently enforcing the rule will make them look like punitive bullies - basically screwing this kid who never even got withing ten days of putting on a game day uniform - let alone actually playing in an official game. Ultimately 3 years of eligibility / 4 years may not matter - he could graduate with the class of 2020 & move on - if he is a star that would be the likely path
Have -zero- idea as to what the issue was that caused him to be jettisoned from the team - but clearly Harbaugh banished him for all eternity - yes, technically he could have tried to get back - but the terms were that he was severed from the team - he would have to pay his own tuition, room & board & etc. for the fall semester - and then come and grovel to Harbaugh to gain permission to try-out for the team in the spring semester ( would guess that he could have to ante up $$ to attend in the spring too.) When it is all laid out - it seems pretty clear that Harbaugh would only have let him back on the team approximately a month after Hell froze over.
No, there have been a few and they must be checked out by the other school because they don't succeed in most cases, Hester being the exception. If Ash believe he can made the team, great. The Penn State 4 star OL that transferred to Rutgers before the season comes to mind that never saw the field. Nurse, the OL from Wisc, was another.
Surprising to me but interesting. Still his true freshman season hasn't even begun. Plenty of time for coaches to figure out the best ways to utilize/develop him.
ALL of our starting WR are gone after this season, think about that, let it stink in.
Also we are a spread team now so the more WRs we have that can play right away, the better.
A lot of chatter here, but no definitive answer about what he did to get him booted.
Post #43 is interesting:
http://mgoblog.com/content/exit-ahmir-mitchell#comments
And comment #57:
"Harbaugh lived in my dorm at UM
I saw him as drunk as anyone I'd ever seen there (in addition to accosting a coed and vandalizing university property).
If partying is the only reason, it smacks of hypocrisy to me."
And this:
Post #43 is interesting:
http://mgoblog.com/content/exit-ahmir-mitchell#comments
And comment #57:
"Harbaugh lived in my dorm at UM
I saw him as drunk as anyone I'd ever seen there (in addition to accosting a coed and vandalizing university property).
If partying is the only reason, it smacks of hypocrisy to me."
And this:
I'm just saying as I am sure others have already that the skills guys can get to the field a little quicker.
Meaning we could get some in the near future and see the results sooner than we could with a OL or a DL.
Funny you say that, but if he commited and came to Rutgers from the Beginning he would be a future All - American in your book. The cynicism of this fanbase is absolutely undeniable and certifiable
It depends on who you ask if he was Top 150 or not rankings wise. College is a lot faster than HS and not everyone adjusts at the same pace. Agreed on depth but a RS Freshman against a Senior/5th Yr Senior in the B1G is a talk task in itself. JMO.
Not trying to come off as an internet bully here, just talking football.
But Hester starting games last year, for a historically bad defense that lost however many db's to arrest and ineligibility does not strike me as overly impressive.
Especially when, as we currently stand, he is no longer starting.
Now, OK, maybe I'm drawing a conclusion way too early in the process, but at this point I don't see him as the gold standard in freshman transfers.
But Hester starting games last year, for a historically bad defense that lost however many db's to arrest and ineligibility does not strike me as overly impressive.
Especially when, as we currently stand, he is no longer starting.
Now, OK, maybe I'm drawing a conclusion way too early in the process, but at this point I don't see him as the gold standard in freshman transfers.
I would NEVER say that. I let the play on the field speak. I would never praise a kid as an AA just because he had a high ranking and committed here. The play on the field is what I judge as whether should be AA or not. a RS Frosh doesn't always display that. Someone like Peppers who was a Top 5 kid had to show it before he could be proclaimed as such. No need to attack my friend.
You said there were a few that transferred to RU as True freshman, how many? You named three examples and one seems to be working out. Hell I'm not even sure if Pollard and Nurse were even true freshman when they came to RU. All I'm trying to say is it's a completely different situation when you have a true freshman transferring to your school rather than a guy who couldn't crack the two deep in one or two years.
Sorry but there is no way anyone on here or even the Grand Poobah Harbaugh himself can predict how a well regarded athlete(someone saw something in him) is going to pan out 6 months into his college career. He was there for 6 friggin months, if not for whatever the hell he was doing out there, the Grand Poobah would have seen how he develops over a year or two, then gave him the royal screw job. Hell even the Grand Poobah himself left the door open for his return, Mitchell just refused it.
The Penn State kid transferred during the Sandusky window. IIRC, Nurse got screwed out of his scholarship at Wisky and could transfer right in.
You have to remember a big part of rivals ratings are based on NFL prototype. The kid has an NFL body as a HS kid and an absolute athletic freak. Word was that he did not have "elite" speed and had trouble separating.
I have already stated that I think he at minimum, contributes for us but I don't think he is a Michigan/OSU type take in a typical year. And there are a lot of 4 star players that fall into that group.
I cringe every time I hear anything about Nate Nurse...Kid was a mess. Roomed with Kevin as a freshman and Kevin ended up sleep on the floor of the other bedroom just not to be in the same room as him...
