Pike’s Prevent Offense At the End Almost Cost Us the Game

[KK1827]

Hate when he does it but he does it every chance he gets. Up 9 with 4 minutes and change left and he went into his prevent offense. Take the shot clock all the way down and just throw one towards the rim.

The thing that drives me crazy is that getting the shot clock down isnt even done while running an offensive set, its simply just dribbling right past mid-court far too often. It pretty much ensures a low % shot.

UCLA goes on a 8-0 run and cuts it to 1. A win at the end makes no one talk about it but if we dont pull that one out led by a clutch ace corner 3, its probably the only thing we are talking about.

I dont know what pike has to do but hes gotta start doing something in the offensive half court.

 

[rubaseball78]

I hate our offense last 5 minutes of a game. Guard dribbles out by half court until down to 10 seconds. Then we rush a play, mostly an isolation desperation shot. I can see doing it in the last minute. Before that continue to run your offense.

 

[RUtrumpet92]

Uhhh... in that time period...

1st possession: Lathan to the line, where he misses both FT despite being 82% on the year.

2nd possession: Harper missed three, rebound gets passed out to him wide open behind the arc, missed three. It happens.

3rd : JWill missed wide open three, Dylan missed the follow layup somehow.

4th: Ace corner 3 in front of our bench.

5th: JWill hits the driving reverse layup.

6th: Lathan hits two FT.

7th: break the press and Ace hits the old fashioned 3 pt play

8th: Dylan hits two FT.

So... yes, we had three straight empty trips, all of which ended with shots we should like. They just didn't fall.

 

[richthedentist]

Uhhh... in that time period...

1st possession: Lathan to the line, where he misses both FT despite being 82% on the year.

2nd possession: Harper missed three, rebound gets passed out to him wide open behind the arc, missed three. It happens.

3rd : JWill missed wide open three, Dylan missed the follow layup somehow.

4th: Ace corner 3 in front of our bench.

5th: JWill hits the driving reverse layup.

6th: Lathan hits two FT.

7th: break the press and Ace hits the old fashioned 3 pt play

8th: Dylan hits two FT.

So... yes, we had three straight empty trips, all of which ended with shots we should like. They just didn't fall.

But we still went into the prevent offense

 

[chase_NJ]

But we still went into the prevent offense

An offense that yielded good shot attempts.

 

[S_Janowski]

Uhhh... in that time period...

1st possession: Lathan to the line, where he misses both FT despite being 82% on the year.

2nd possession: Harper missed three, rebound gets passed out to him wide open behind the arc, missed three. It happens.

3rd : JWill missed wide open three, Dylan missed the follow layup somehow.

4th: Ace corner 3 in front of our bench.

5th: JWill hits the driving reverse layup.

6th: Lathan hits two FT.

7th: break the press and Ace hits the old fashioned 3 pt play

8th: Dylan hits two FT.

So... yes, we had three straight empty trips, all of which ended with shots we should like. They just didn't fall.

That’s how I remembered it.

We missed a few wide open shots including the bunny by Harper.

 

[RUBlackout]

The same prevent offense haunts my dreams when I think about the ncaa game against Houston

 

[PhillyRU]

So after Rutgers went up nine and really started to churn clock we got:

1. Lathan 1-on-1 in the low post, earned FTs (missed both, but good offensive outcome)

2. I think Dylan iso, and diving Ace OREB in the corner for Dylan again (missed, but good look)

3. JWill wing 3 off a pin down screen (bad shot imo, but evidently what pike wanted)

I don’t really have an issue with the deliberate possessions as long as we actually run offense, which I think we did do. I think there might be something to a fast-tempo clamming up when you take the air of the ball.

 

[PhillyRU]

Uhhh... in that time period...

1st possession: Lathan to the line, where he misses both FT despite being 82% on the year.

2nd possession: Harper missed three, rebound gets passed out to him wide open behind the arc, missed three. It happens.

3rd : JWill missed wide open three, Dylan missed the follow layup somehow.

4th: Ace corner 3 in front of our bench.

5th: JWill hits the driving reverse layup.

6th: Lathan hits two FT.

7th: break the press and Ace hits the old fashioned 3 pt play

8th: Dylan hits two FT.

So... yes, we had three straight empty trips, all of which ended with shots we should like. They just didn't fall.

Missed this, but yea exactly

 

[fluoxetine]

I assume you whackos also hate it when football teams start running the ball more with a lead in the 4th quarter?

 

[ScarletDave]

There was no prevent offense today. It was simply instead of shoot with 15 secs left, run 10 off the clock and shoot with 5 left. Same sets, we just missed wide open shots

 

[S_Janowski]

So after Rutgers went up nine and really started to churn clock we got:

1. Lathan 1-on-1 in the low post, earned FTs (missed both, but good offensive outcome)

2. I think Dylan iso, and diving Ace OREB in the corner for Dylan again (missed, but good look)

3. JWill wing 3 off a pin down screen (bad shot imo, but evidently what pike wanted)

I don’t really have an issue with the deliberate possessions as long as we actually run offense, which I think we did do. I think there might be something to a fast-tempo clamming up when you take the air of the ball.

The JWill 3 was the only shot I didn’t love.

Weird spot on the floor and not really the guy I want taking a three. But he did have a wide open look.

Otherwise I didn’t have an issue with the offense down the stretch. I’ve seen much, much worse from Pikiell.

 

[S_Janowski]

I assume you whackos also hate it when football teams start running the ball more with a lead in the 4th quarter?

Or they love when our head coach ices the kicker too late, to the point the other head coach scraps the play and decides to throw a game winning TD to end it.

 

[RUisB1Gtime]

That's exactly why we lost to Houston in NCAAs.....up 10 with 5 minutes left.......dribble for 30 seconds then take a bad shot...rinse repeat...

 

[S_Janowski]

That's exactly why we lost to Houston in NCAAs.....up 10 with 5 minutes left.......dribble for 30 seconds then take a bad shot...rinse repeat...

Did you even watch the game tonight?

How are multiple wide open shots “bad shots”?

Is it only a “good shot” if it’s made?

 

[PhillyRU]

The JWill 3 was the only shot I didn’t love.

Weird spot on the floor and not really the guy I want taking a three. But he did have a wide open look.

Otherwise I didn’t have an issue with the offense down the stretch. I’ve seen much, much worse from Pikiell.

That low post clear out used to drive me absolutely crazy when he ran it for Cliff. Still maybe not out highest % O but Lathan is so good 1 v. 1 in the low post

 

[S_Janowski]

That low post clear out used to drive me absolutely crazy when he ran it for Cliff. Still maybe not out highest % O but Lathan is so good 1 v. 1 in the low post

Agree we used to post Cliff up way too much. Would frustrate the hell out of me.

I’m okay with Lathan posting up as long as he doesn’t force it and is willing to pass it.

 

[cm_13]

This is kind of an inaccurate recollection of what happened.

Rutgers was up 9 with just over 5 minutes left. Just got the ball back after a UCLA turnover, ran the clock down to about 10, Dylan passes to Lathan with about 6 seconds on the shot clock, Lathan tries to make a pass to Ace cutting with 3 seconds left and turns it over. This was really the only possession where they ran the clock down excessively.

Next possession, Lathan puts up a shot with like 6 seconds left on the shot clock and got fouled. He went to the line and missed both.

Next possession Harper took a 3 pointer with 7 seconds left on the shot clock. Ace grabbed an offensive rebound, kicked it out to Jeremiah, Jeremiah drove, almost turned it over and the loose ball bounced to Dylan who missed a corner 3 that he took with 6 seconds left on the shot clock.

Next possession, Rutgers calls a timeout after advancing past half court. After the inbound, Dylan drives, kicks it to an open Williams who shoots a 3 with 9 seconds left on the shot clock and misses. Dylan gets an offensive rebound and goes back up, also misses. UCLA hits a three on the other end to cut it to 1.

 

[OkRUguy]

I assume you whackos also hate it when football teams start running the ball more with a lead in the 4th quarter?

Did you watch the bowl game? How did that work out?

 

[RUDivision]

Or they love when our head coach ices the kicker too late, to the point the other head coach scraps the play and decides to throw a game winning TD to end it.

On a cold day with 30 mph winds and gusts up to 40 into the kickers face? Umm yes

Still cost us the Citrus bowl ! Which Greggy would have lost anyway.

 

[fluoxetine]

Did you watch the bowl game? How did that work out?

You think we lost our bowl game 44-41 because we ran the ball too much in the 4th quarter? What?

 

[Shelby65]

This is kind of an inaccurate recollection of what happened.

Rutgers was up 9 with just over 5 minutes left. Just got the ball back after a UCLA turnover, ran the clock down to about 10, Dylan passes to Lathan with about 6 seconds on the shot clock, Lathan tries to make a pass to Ace cutting with 3 seconds left and turns it over. This was really the only possession where they ran the clock down excessively.

Next possession, Lathan puts up a shot with like 6 seconds left on the shot clock and got fouled. He went to the line and missed both.

Next possession Harper took a 3 pointer with 7 seconds left on the shot clock. Ace grabbed an offensive rebound, kicked it out to Jeremiah, Jeremiah drove, almost turned it over and the loose ball bounced to Dylan who missed a corner 3 that he took with 6 seconds left on the shot clock.

Next possession, Rutgers calls a timeout after advancing past half court. After the inbound, Dylan drives, kicks it to an open Williams who shoots a 3 with 9 seconds left on the shot clock and misses. Dylan gets an offensive rebound and goes back up, also misses. UCLA hits a three on the other end to cut it to 1.

The questionable decision was putting Harper back in with over 5 minutes left and I believe up 7. Should have tried to shave a couple more minutes off the clock unless it became a 1 possession lead.

But, it worked out.

 

[KK1827]

I assume you whackos also hate it when football teams start running the ball more with a lead in the 4th quarter?

Correct, if its early 4th. If its late 4th and a 2 score lead then different story.

 

[goru7]

Hate when he does it but he does it every chance he gets. Up 9 with 4 minutes and change left and he went into his prevent offense. Take the shot clock all the way down and just throw one towards the rim.

The thing that drives me crazy is that getting the shot clock down isnt even done while running an offensive set, its simply just dribbling right past mid-court far too often. It pretty much ensures a low % shot.

UCLA goes on a 8-0 run and cuts it to 1. A win at the end makes no one talk about it but if we dont pull that one out led by a clutch ace corner 3, its probably the only thing we are talking about.

I dont know what pike has to do but hes gotta start doing something in the offensive half court.

I rarely ever agree with anything you post on basketball because it has come back to slap you in the face , but I couldn’t agree more. The team was running good offense and they couldn’t defend the high pick and roll. ,even when the shot didn’t go in. The slowdown took team out of rhythm and guys started getting tight. I agree he can do that slowdown with a minute or a minute and a half but not 4+ minutes because the three is the great equalizer and teams can make up a 10 point deficit on a hurry. Bad move by Pike.

 

[PaKnight]

Did you even watch the game tonight?

How are multiple wide open shots “bad shots”?

Is it only a “good shot” if it’s made?

We missed some good shots against Houston as well.

 

[rutgersron]

Agree we used to post Cliff up way too much. Would frustrate the hell out of me.

I’m okay with Lathan posting up as long as he doesn’t force it and is willing to pass it.

I totally agree but will Lathan ever pass the ball?

 

[rutgersron]

On a cold day with 30 mph winds and gusts up to 40 into the kickers face? Umm yes

Still cost us the Citrus bowl ! Which Greggy would have lost anyway.

Agree but I could have made that trip!

 

[RUDivision]

I totally agree but will Lathan ever pass the ball?

Agree with you both! My hope if he got more touches ale would kick out more.

Now he gets so few touches that he shoots because he is afraid he won’t get it again.

 

[RU848789]

Hate when he does it but he does it every chance he gets. Up 9 with 4 minutes and change left and he went into his prevent offense. Take the shot clock all the way down and just throw one towards the rim.

The thing that drives me crazy is that getting the shot clock down isnt even done while running an offensive set, its simply just dribbling right past mid-court far too often. It pretty much ensures a low % shot.

UCLA goes on a 8-0 run and cuts it to 1. A win at the end makes no one talk about it but if we dont pull that one out led by a clutch ace corner 3, its probably the only thing we are talking about.

I dont know what pike has to do but hes gotta start doing something in the offensive half court.

Starting this flawed thread after our best win of the season (arguably - maybe PSU was better) is reason #467 why you're a lousy poster.

 

[mikemarc1]

His prevent offense cost us 2 points ( we were up 9 when you claim it started, we won by 7).

Don’t think it nearly cost us the game

 

[knights1212]

Can we ever celebrate a win without some of our fans ripping our coach ?

 

[bac2therac]

I dont think the Op is correct..its more like we just didnt convert, had a turnover and missed a couple of foul shots and then UCLA was missing everything actually made a few shots.

if you recall our previous offense in the previous 3 minutes was all about getting fouled and its likely we were hoping more of that was coming

The important thing was that in the end, Ace and J Will came up big.

 

[RUskoolie]

Schiano also loves to do this. I think we throw like 10% of the time if we have a 4th quarter lead.

 

[Joey Bags]

Its not just the 5 min O when we are leading, our 5 min O when we are losing but in reach is just as bad. All iso BS.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Pike has been doing this for years. I don't like it myself, but honestly over the years it has kind of worked. Pike definitely has trust issues and in big spots he feels more comfortable with the ball in geo's hands or now Dylan.

 

[rudad02]

I hate our offense last 5 minutes of a game. Guard dribbles out by half court until down to 10 seconds. Then we rush a play, mostly an isolation registration shot. I can see doing it in the last minute. Before that continue to run your offense.

Absolutely! Drives me crazy.

 

[robjknight]

For years we have struggled with inbounding the ball. Time to work on it and educate the inbounder on a few strategies. Also select primary inbounded.
We had only one good inbound last night and that was to Grant alone in the corner.

 

[seansherm]

I thought most shots were good down the stretch when I watched, had no problem with the offense down the stretch.

 

[zappaa]

The only thing I don’t like about it, is the design of it often takes the ball out of your best players hands at around 10 seconds remaining on the shot clock.

Because Dylan is intelligent he’s going to recognize when he’s overplayed and give the ball up.

 

[Yeah Baby]

Oh Porchia do shut up.