Pikiell Excited for Corey's Return

[theRU]

seriously?

whats the reason not to answer a call?

I dont want to get into specifics because it was insider info. Essentially a kid was wanting to commit and phone wasn't answered.

Get a subscription and read the Fat Cats that Bobby Does. Your mind would be blown with some of the stories.

 

[bac2therac]

Please tell me that you are not gullible enough to accept all the anecdotal evidence about former coaches as truth.

Whenever any coach is fired, the sharks immediately smell blood in the water and bring out every piece of anecdotal evidence they can find that supposedly shows the incompetence of that former coach. There will be zero evidence suggesting competence on the part of that coach, so the picture we get is going to be distorted, possibly severely.

A coach is fired because he did not get the job done, so there are going to be shortcomings that explain that. Those shortcomings are going to be exaggerated by the circumstances. The debatable question should be, how much?

oh please, stop with the apologies...Jordan and Flood were trainwrecks. Blind loyalty blinds but the truth hurts

 

[Caliknight]

Please tell me that you are not gullible enough to accept all the anecdotal evidence about former coaches as truth.

Whenever any coach is fired, the sharks immediately smell blood in the water and bring out every piece of anecdotal evidence they can find that supposedly shows the incompetence of that former coach. There will be zero evidence suggesting competence on the part of that coach, so the picture we get is going to be distorted, possibly severely.

A coach is fired because he did not get the job done, so there are going to be shortcomings that explain that. Those shortcomings are going to be exaggerated by the circumstances. The debatable question should be, how much?

It ain't anecdotal. With all of the injuries and the physical shape of the players, you could see they weren't conditioned properly. It was very evident.

Watch how different the team looks physically when they take the floor for the first game.

 

[ColonelRutgers]

Tp Hired flood...JH stuck with Both of these guys. I'm sure her hands were tied to an extant but I would have been showing up at practices making demands of my coaches if i knew they were both lazy.

Tied to an extent? Do you think??

Yeah, just want you want. The AD showing up at practice and telling the coaches how to coach their teams. I'm glad she's gone. But this criticism is asinine. If the coaches are lazy and not producing you fire them.

Julie; "Eddie, I think the players are out of shape. I think you should run more wind sprints. Also, we're getting killed in the glass. I know you coached in the NBA and are getting paid $1.5 million to coach but I designed these rebounding drills for you. When I come to practice tomorrow I want to see less scrimmaging and more work on free throws."

 

[seels2662]

WTF

This is a basketball forum

Now Flood shit has to go on here

WHO GIVES A SHIT WE ARE FIVE MONTHS REMOVED FROM FLOOD

Even FHJ stuff died down after 5 months

This fanbase is broken and sad

 

[Loyal-Son]

It ain't anecdotal. With all of the injuries and the physical shape of the players, you could see they weren't conditioned properly. It was very evident.

Watch how different the team looks physically when they take the floor for the first game.

It is anecdotal -based on specific human accounts rather than an unbiased evaluation by neutral parties.

The team was playing with the shortest bench in college basketball, so they would be expected to be gassed at the end of games. Only someone familiar with the whole picture would know which issue was more important. Unless you were there all the time, you are only getting reports on one side of the issue.

I am not claiming I know either way about their conditioning. I am OK with believing Coach Jordan did not push as hard in conditioning as he might have. I just don't accept ridiculous statements that all our former coaches were 100% incompetent based on one-sided reports.

In other words, I readily accept the fact that a Coach like Jordan had shortcomings; but I am certain we are not going to get an accurate picture on how extensive they are or aren't in the present environment - and personally I don't care. I would rather thank the guy for his efforts and look ahead.

It is similar to all the anecdotes about how soft Coach Flood's players were and how they would all bail when asked to work. It turns out that the vast majority are more than willing to work their butts off.

I would assume all of us have seen the character of basically decent people smeared or even ruined by parties willing to use anecdotes, innuendo, and hearsay to damage them. Mike Rice would be the perfect example. When people have an axe to grind, they can be relentless - and most people have a specific cognitive bias.

Seels, I apologize for continuing this ridiculousness. I should have let it go, but I have moments of weakness.

 

[higgins3]

Pikiell was hired 9 days after Jordan was fired and the players were on spring break during the majority of that time.

Gotcha. It seemed like lounger. I guess the kids not being able to practice together maybe had some kind of effect. It is imperative Doorson gets down to normal BMI. Anything else is not going to be good for his foot.

 

[JPhoboken]

Neither of whom hired Eddie, of course.

Heard The interview with TP did not go well. Essentially EJ was under the impression that RU and TP should be kissing his ass and handing him the job. Almost like an interview was insulting.

TP did not hire him of course, went with Rice instead, and the rest is history.

 

[AshCatchEm]

It is anecdotal -based on specific human accounts rather than an unbiased evaluation by neutral parties.

The team was playing with the shortest bench in college basketball, so they would be expected to be gassed at the end of games. Only someone familiar with the whole picture would know which issue was more important. Unless you were there all the time, you are only getting reports on one side of the issue.

I am not claiming I know either way about their conditioning. I am OK with believing Coach Jordan did not push as hard in conditioning as he might have. I just don't accept ridiculous statements that all our former coaches were 100% incompetent based on one-sided reports.

In other words, I readily accept the fact that a Coach like Jordan had shortcomings; but I am certain we are not going to get an accurate picture on how extensive they are or aren't in the present environment - and personally I don't care. I would rather thank the guy for his efforts and look ahead.

It is similar to all the anecdotes about how soft Coach Flood's players were and how they would all bail when asked to work. It turns out that the vast majority are more than willing to work their butts off.

I would assume all of us have seen the character of basically decent people smeared or even ruined by parties willing to use anecdotes, innuendo, and hearsay to damage them. Mike Rice would be the perfect example. When people have an axe to grind, they can be relentless - and most people have a specific cognitive bias.

Seels, I apologize for continuing this ridiculousness. I should have let it go, but I have moments of weakness.

we literally had players in our own football program telling kids from their high schools to go elsewhere. our own players. our. own. players.

 

[jonS]

Please tell me that you are not gullible enough to accept all the anecdotal evidence about former coaches as truth.

Whenever any coach is fired, the sharks immediately smell blood in the water and bring out every piece of anecdotal evidence they can find that supposedly shows the incompetence of that former coach. There will be zero evidence suggesting competence on the part of that coach, so the picture we get is going to be distorted, possibly severely.

A coach is fired because he did not get the job done, so there are going to be shortcomings that explain that. Those shortcomings are going to be exaggerated by the circumstances. The debatable question should be, how much?

I happen to like Jordan and hoped he would succeed. Nevertheless , he was an awful college coach. The team played no defense , got worse rather than better as the season progressed, and I'll never forget the comments by Adam Zagoria (?) that he was no where to be found in NJ recruiting.

 

[willisneverrana43]

. . .

TP did not hire him of course, went with Rice instead, and the rest is history.

That was some set of options he laid out for himself.

 

[Loyal-Son]

we literally had players in our own football program telling kids from their high schools to go elsewhere. our own players. our. own. players.

Apparently you ignored the pleas from other posters to just move on and talk about the OP's topic, rather than droning on with your "hate" campaign.

Because of this, I debated whether or not to let your comments pass, but in the end I felt a reply was needed.

IMO Your comments are a perfect example of how anecdotal evidence can effectively be used by posters interested in smearing a person's reputation.

Analyzing your accusations, we all know that every program has disgruntled players. With 105 players, you are guaranteed to have a minimum of a few who are unhappy with the way the program is run. That includes places like UM and OSU. Their complaints become irrelevant when the team has 10 or more wins. When the team has 4 wins, their complaints become another piece of evidence convicting the coach of blasphemy or whatever. So in essence your supposedly damning evidence is commonplace.

Things could have gone exactly as you perceive. OR Maybe the player decided the prospect would not fit in and so discouraged him from joining us. Maybe the prospect indicated he wanted a school where he would not have to worry about going to class, so the player told him he would be better off elsewhere. I am sure there are myriad possibilities on both sides, and I personally have no idea what ones are valid. So I am not going to judge.

In addition highly respected players like Hamilton were declaring their strong support for our departed coach right up to the end. You ignored any mention of the players who did support our head coach.

I am not promoting Coach Flood or claiming he was beloved. I am only saying that your anecdotal evidence is likely not the damning evidence you claim it to be.

Coach Flood did not succeed here, so he obviously had weaknesses. IMO it doesn't matter, since we are now almost a half year into the Coach Ash era. More and more of our fans want to move on and look forward to seeing where our new coach can take us rather than dwelling on perceived deficiencies of the previous staff.

 

[AshCatchEm]

Apparently you ignored the pleas from other posters to just move on and talk about the OP's topic, rather than droning on with your "hate" campaign.

Because of this, I debated whether or not to let your comments pass, but in the end I felt a reply was needed.

It seems like you are incapable of understanding what anecdotal evidence is or don't understand the bias it can create.

Your comments are a perfect example of how anecdotal evidence can be used by people like you who are only interested in smearing a person's reputation.

Analyzing your accusations, we should all know that every program has disgruntled players. With 105 players, you are guaranteed to have a minimum of a few who are unhappy with the way the program is run. That includes places like UM and OSU. Their complaints become irrelevant when the team has 10 or more wins. When the team has 4 wins, their complaints become another piece of evidence convicting the coach of blasphemy or whatever.

So in essence your supposedly damning evidence is commonplace.

Now I don't know how often the situation you described occurred - which is important. That is why I label it anecdotal. I do know however that highly respected players like Hamilton were declaring their strong support for our departed coach right up to the end. I have noticed that you have completely ignored any mention of the players who did support our head coach.

I am not supporting Coach Flood or claiming he was beloved. I am only saying that your anecdotal evidence is likely not the damning evidence you claim it to be. Let's face it. You have an agenda, and you will spin anything to validate it. And your minions buy into it 100%.

My point is that we don't really know what the weaknesses and strengths of our former coach add up to in the end. We only have anecdotal evidence like yours right now. We can speculate, but your purpose in speculating seems to be only to condemn the former staff.

Coach Flood did not succeed here, so he obviously had weaknesses. My point is that it doesn't matter, since we are now almost a half year into the Coach Ash era. More and more of our fans want to move on and look forward to seeing where our new coach can take us rather than dwelling on perceived deficiencies of the previous staff.

I do understand however that continued condemnation of the former staff is the only thing that gives your comments much relevance here.

Gave you a like cause im not gonna bother reading that lol

 

[AreYouNUTS]

we literally had players in our own football program telling kids from their high schools to go elsewhere. our own players. our. own. players.

As far back as the fall of 2013.

 

[RUinFla]

OK, you football people trashed the free football board with your squabbling and backbiting. Please do not turn threads on the basketball board into more of the same p*ssing contests that caused the shutdown of the free football board. If you can't even do that, and don't want to use the RT because maybe one or more of you are unregistered, please at least give it a clear label (like More Football Talk), so that we can skip them. You guys decided to use a thread on Corey Sanders to have at each other, and if you persist, Rivals might take away this board, as well.
TL

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Back to the original topic...

While the s & c was at its worse under Eddie...this is a major problem we have had forever since bannon and waters

 

[bac2therac]

That was some set of options he laid out for himself.

I believe that Al Skinner was also courted but wasnt sexy enough