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Points where Flood lost me

I didn't think it was possible to have more anger toward our coach and his decisions and stubbornness, but this thread did it! Thanks guys!

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Anger?? WTF are you talking about. Simple timelines for everyone to point out that time in their life where Flood lost them. Sorry you are still a believer Ms Flood.
 
Unless he gets hurt, Laviano is going to finish the season as the starter. Rettig will have virtually no real experience for any new coach to correctly evaluate his abilities. It will all have to come down to how any of the QB's look in practice/scrimmages.
Rutgers is absolutely abysmal at developing QB's.
 
How about the mass exodus of committed recruits, including those that didn't care about Flood's tough guy ultimatum not to take any other visits?
 
...and another point for me- when the staff lost RutgersAl (he had that epic post a week or so ago)...when you can't get RutgersAl to support you, you're probably doing something wrong.


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What lost me was this...

I remember watching him leave Nova in against Kent State and then against Va Tech in 2012 where he basically coached like he couldn't care less if we won the game. It was all for Nova's growth. 3rd and 7? He started making the OC call run plays so no more damage could be done to Nova's psyche. Then all we heard the entire off-season, we were going to build Nova's confidence and those games wouldn't happen again.

Flash forward to 2013 and put aside his abysmal recruiting at this point. It was clear we weren't a great team but against Louisville the defense played their gosh darn butts off and Nova screwed everyone by throwing 4 picks. Flood succumbs to some fan pressure and announces a QB competition that week for the Temple game between Dodd and Nova. Of course, he settles on Nova by Thursday and the opening drive of the Temple game is where he lost me. I think we ran 7 or 8 run plays in a row, including in obvious passing situations on 3rd down. All while we had a QB on the bench with double digit starts under his belt. It was the same stuff I saw in the bowl game where everyone was blasting the OC for his playing calling. Different year, Different OC, still protecting Nova on 3rd and long by running draw plays. Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb.

That drive combined with his woeful recruiting at that point convinced me he was in over his head. Needing a 4th down bomb to beat 1-7 Temple was the nail in the coffin. I've been arguing against his loyal supporters ever since.
 
Anger?? WTF are you talking about. Simple timelines for everyone to point out that time in their life where Flood lost them. Sorry you are still a believer Ms Flood.

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A believer??? I'm remembering all these events and REMEMBERING them is pissing me off more than I was. Sorry for being angry with our coach.
 
I'd expect the new head coach to come in with Laviano being #1 because that is what he is today. I hope the next head coach sticks with Laviano as blindly as Flood has. Laviano has deserved to be benched / replaced at several points during this season. When the RU offense scored on that 6-yard TD drive against Nebraska, it ended a TD drought of over 200 minutes by the 1st unit offense. In the last 4 games, Laviano has failed to have a passer rating over 90 (89.14, 32.89, 65.95, 84.67). To put that number in perspective, Max Wittek of Hawaii is the lowest rated qualifying passer in 1A with a 92.5 passer rating. Sure, the running game has only averaged 101 yards per game over those 4 games, but that is better than what 5 teams have averaged this season (Tulane, Georgia State, Central Michigan, UCF, and Wazzu). Obviously Laviano isn't the only problem. But QB was SUPPOSEDLY one of the tighter battles in camp so it makes no sense to keep the other guy on the bench.

So here we have another ridiculous attempt at using biased statistics to bash Laviano.

So you selectively lumped together Laviano's stats in a 4 game stretch that included games against 3 of the best defensive teams in the country and compare it to a whole season's statistics for another QB, that has played a much weaker defensive schedule including the likes of defensive Powers like UC Davis, San Diego State, New Mexico, Nevada, Colorado, UNLV & Fresno State. Hawaii did face 2 strong defensive opponents...Wisconsin and Ohio St. Result? 0 points scored in both games.

Talk about a totally meaningless unfair comparison. But it's no surprise to me since that seems to be the norm on this board when evaluating this first year starters performance in that stretch of games Against that gauntlet of defensive teams.

And as you will all notice. Once again I am not saying Laviano is good or great, nor am I saying he is better than any other player. Just pointing out again another example of biased one-sidedness of the evaluation of his play
 
So here we have another ridiculous attempt at using biased statistics to bash Laviano.

So you selectively lumped together Laviano's stats in a 4 game stretch that included games against 3 of the best defensive teams in the country and compare it to a whole season's statistics for another QB, that has played a much weaker defensive schedule including the likes of defensive Powers like UC Davis, San Diego State, New Mexico, Nevada, Colorado, UNLV & Fresno State. Hawaii did face 2 strong defensive opponents...Wisconsin and Ohio St. Result? 0 points scored in both games.

Talk about a totally meaningless unfair comparison. But it's no surprise to me since that seems to be the norm on this board when evaluating this first year starters performance in that stretch of games Against that gauntlet of defensive teams.

And as you will all notice. Once again I am not saying Laviano is good or great, nor am I saying he is better than any other player. Just pointing out again another example of biased one-sidedness of the evaluation of his play

Yet you "selectively" continue to forget that the ONLY team's he's had good games against have been some of the nation's - literally - WORST passing D's.

It works both ways buddy.
 
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Yet you "selectively" continue to forget that the ONLY team's he's had good games against have been some of the nation's - literally - WORST passing D's.

It works both ways buddy.


Huh?

How am I selectively forgetting anything?

I simply pointed out how ridiculous it is to compare a 4 game stretch against top defensive teams to a 10 game stretch of another player against much weaker opponents

Where am I forgetting anything? don't you agree the above comparison is completely biased and ridiculous? And of course Laviano did better against the lesser Defenses. It should likewise be obvious that he would do worse against the better d's
 
I started realizing his coaching acumen was poor in the second half of the 2012 season, obviously starting with Kent State. The last three games of Pitt, Louisville (though not a badly played game), and VaTech were appalling. I suspected after that season he wasn't going to get it done here . . . .
Agree with this and, to be frank, from the very start I was skeptical because there was absolutely nothing about his resume that suggested he was head coach material and not one other school in the country would have hired him for the job. In fact, he was likely going to be scrambling for an OL coach position somewhere. Instead, we made him head coach.
 
But seriously. How will you justify yourselves if a new HC is hired and if he starts Laviano? Will everyone admit they were wrong or will a new campaign begin immediately calling out the new HC as a moron or an idiot or any of the other pet names I've seen Flood called recently

I have said, and I'll repeat, choosing Laviano was not my problem. But, to REFUSE to try the other guy when the offense sputters is stupid. This also applies if Rettig was the starter; no reason to STAY with inefficiency.

So, to answer your question, no problem if Laviano is PICKED as the starter, but if he struggles and the coach defiantly resists change, then I will have a problem.
You are misguided in thinking people want Laviano to fail, I want him to do well, but when he doesnt, I want to see someone else.
 
Huh?

How am I selectively forgetting anything?

I simply pointed out how ridiculous it is to compare a 4 game stretch against top defensive teams to a 10 game stretch of another player against much weaker opponents

Where am I forgetting anything? don't you agree the above comparison is completely biased and ridiculous? And of course Laviano did better against the lesser Defenses. It should likewise be obvious that he would do worse against the better d's

You have done so, continuously, the past 2 weeks, hence me pointing out how ridiculous your comments have been (and are, again, in this thread...you can't simply look at ONE side of things...).

BTW - he's played much worse, against those good D's, than most other QB's, but every time THIS is pointed out, by many others, you simply refuse to acknowledge as much. Hey, I'm not "anti-Laviano - he's in his 1st year as starter - but I'll talk "real" about what's going on, and what's not going on, all day long.
 
The final straw for me was when he came out with the "I decided not to decide until..." statement.
 
So here we have another ridiculous attempt at using biased statistics to bash Laviano.

So you selectively lumped together Laviano's stats in a 4 game stretch that included games against 3 of the best defensive teams in the country and compare it to a whole season's statistics for another QB, that has played a much weaker defensive schedule including the likes of defensive Powers like UC Davis, San Diego State, New Mexico, Nevada, Colorado, UNLV & Fresno State. Hawaii did face 2 strong defensive opponents...Wisconsin and Ohio St. Result? 0 points scored in both games.

Talk about a totally meaningless unfair comparison. But it's no surprise to me since that seems to be the norm on this board when evaluating this first year starters performance in that stretch of games Against that gauntlet of defensive teams.

And as you will all notice. Once again I am not saying Laviano is good or great, nor am I saying he is better than any other player. Just pointing out again another example of biased one-sidedness of the evaluation of his play

Have you ever watched "The Princess Bride"? You truly have a dizzying intellect.[eyeroll]
 
I'm beginning to wonder if Flood knew he was gonna be gone - maybe the suspension woke him up - and he decided to screw the next guy by never developing either QB.

Regardless of what you think of Rettig, sticking with one guy through 4/5 of blow out games - repeatedly - just doesn't make sense.
 
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After seeing the debacle at Cincinnati in 2008, I didn't think there could be a game that set football back any further, until I had the misfortune to sit through the RA Bowl. The Kent State game, non-effort against Pitt and RA bowl led me to believe it was not the right move. Blowouts in 2013 to anyone with a pulse, confirmed it.
 
Many of you guys will be too young for this analogy, but the Flood firing is beginning to take on some of the characteristics of the death of Franco.
 
As I've mentioned previously, Flood lost me on October 27, 2012 --- sometime between the 3rd and 6th interception.
 
For me it was Cincy (2013?) . we got blown out by Houston a few weeks earlier. I just chalked that up as an unfortunate aberration. But Cincy (another uncompetitive blowout) made it two home blowouts and clear he was in the deep end of the pool as a Div 1a hc
 
Flood ruined that 2012 season. Heck, I wouldn't even say the signs started in the second half of 2012, remember how awful the playcalling was before Kent State? The only game Flood really opened the playbook for was that Arkansas barn-burner. Everything else was "play not to lose." I honestly think Flood's strategy was to get the ball to somewhere around the 50, punt, and hope our defense gets a turnover. The funny thing is our defense was so good that we held our own against the Temples and the Syracuse's of the world. This guy lost to Louisville at home, on a Thursday night, for a conference championship, with a one-legged Teddy Bridgewater.
 
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But seriously. How will you justify yourselves if a new HC is hired and if he starts Laviano? Will everyone admit they were wrong or will a new campaign begin immediately calling out the new HC as a moron or an idiot or any of the other pet names I've seen Flood called recently

How will you justify yourself if the next coach starts Rettig?
 
To be fair, he won't have to justify himself. Far as I recall, he has yet to state a preference for one vs. the other.

It's not even about the Laviano-Rettig debate. Laviano's lack of contribution to the team's offensive output since the Indiana game (especially without Carroo to throw to) alone justifies his benching several times over. Retting is simply an allegedly close number 2 on the depth chart, and I'd like to see what he can do. Skylers use of mental gymnastics in a poor attempt to qualify Laviano's lack of production and justify keeping him in as quarterback with a monopoly on non-garbage playing time is what many of us take issue with. Shades of keeping Nova under center through 6? Interceptions versus Kent State.
 
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Flood ruined that 2012 season. Heck, I wouldn't even say the signs started in the second half of 2012, remember how awful the playcalling was before Kent State? The only game Flood really opened the playbook for was that Arkansas barn-burner. Everything else was "play not to lose." I honestly think Flood's strategy was to get the ball to somewhere around the 50, punt, and hope our defense gets a turnover. The funny thing is our defense was so good that we held our own against the Temples and the Syracuse's of the world. This guy lost to Louisville at home, on a Thursday night, for a conference championship, with a one-legged Teddy Bridgewater.
FLood was too scared to let his offense play. All his confidence was with Schiano defense and allowed them to win all the games.
 
I'm thinking it was the 2012 SMU game and all the crap that followed over the next few weeks, on and off the field, but we won't get into that right now. What a joke.
 
He lost me against Houston when we were blown out on homecoming- again- and then the recruiting class disappeared.
 
Slyker, I don't push the ignore button on anyone. Because, everyone has a right to their opinion. And, I can respect that. Heaven knows I come off of the wall on some, myself. But, you sir have an agenda that just doesn't hold water. Why would I admit that Laviano is a better choice? Just because two fools come to the same conclusion doesn't make it correct.
Have you ever played any football, anywhere, any level? If you have then you should realize, and see with those clouded eyes he just doesn't have the skill set. And, no it's not the OLines fault, or lack of seperation from WR, or even lack of experience. It's his own inabilities, to first demand better protection, understand how to drop back an adequate distance, how to step into a pocket, know what 3 seconds is and have that clock constantly ticking(he holds the ball to long), be able to take the snap from center(no it's not the centers fault). And, when he understands that those basics, to have the ability to scan a Defense, call the correct play at the line, execute it, by knowing where the ball will go, and again with the ability of getting the ball there in a timely manner, also will need to stretch the field from time to time, while not having to wind up to throw the ball(no arm strength).
Unfortunately, for Ru he lacks those skills. The fact that Flood refuses to allow another QB to even sniff the field, speaks volumes. And, if another coach would ever make that mistake again, under the same circumstances, I will repeat....Fire Him too!
So, I won't push that ignore button. But, Slyker your stick is getting old.
Chrome. I wondered the same thing. Slyker wreaks of the fantasy football athlete. Knows everyone's statistics but doesn't know what a good qb looks like. Would rather have a qb with good stats and lose than one with bad stats and win. Unluckily at RU we have neither. We have a coach sticking with a QB with poor mechanics, a weak arm, bad decision making skills and horrible stats. I have seen all 4 QB's in warm ups at every game and in practice situations on 3 occasions since spring ball. Laviano looks okay in practice but he does not do any one thing better than the other QB's where you would say "he is the man." As a matter of fact Laviano has the weakest arm of all 4 qb's on the roster. I know 3 practices does not make a decision but all we have heard was the competition was so close all throughout camp. If it was this close why wouldn't you put the other QB in to see what that person could do when the chosen QB has obviously been struggling?
 
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I see you're still working on your Hangman's knot. The mob awaits.

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The people that are going bonkers are the Floodies. They are on suicide watch. So bad that they are emailing the mods to ban normal people or have us ignore their posts. Such cry babies. There has been a "Shift" in the board and the basement dwelling crowd is not happy
 
The people that are going bonkers are the Floodies. They are on suicide watch. So bad that they are emailing the mods to ban normal people or have us ignore their posts. Such cry babies. There has been a "Shift" in the board and the basement dwelling crowd is not happy
What Floodies? Where are these shadow people? Do you see dead people too?
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LOL

I see one or two people that have stated they think Flood should stay. Everybody else, including me, thinks he should go. You Flood-lynchers have worked yourselves up into such a lather that you're hallucinating about some mysterious pervasive "enemy" that only exists in the imaginations of the imaginers (Frank Zappa, Joe's Garage reference for those paying attention).

But let's say this secret society of vast hoards of Flood supporters isn't a hallucination borne of low-blood sugar and bad life choices. Let's say it really does exist. Should they not have the right to voice an opinion without being attacked by the lynch-mob?

I want Flood gone. But I'm not about to attack anybody or make up pet names for those that have a different opinion from mine. I mean, what's the point of that? Where's the benefit?
 
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What Floodies? Where are these shadow people? Do you see dead people too?
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LOL

I see one or two people that have stated they think Flood should stay. Everybody else, including me, thinks he should go. You Flood-lynchers have worked yourselves up into such a lather that you're hallucinating about some mysterious pervasive "enemy" that only exists in the imaginations of the imaginers (Frank Zappa, Joe's Garage reference for those paying attention).

But let's say this secret society of vast hoards of Flood supporters isn't a hallucination borne of low-blood sugar and bad life choices. Let's say it really does exist. Should they not have the right to voice an opinion without being attacked by the lynch-mob?

I want Flood gone. But I'm not about to attack anybody or make up pet names for those that have a different opinion from mine. I mean, what's the point of that? Where's the benefit?
Pay attention. RutgersRob, Shift, Yes, styler, 62, 66 ....i can go on and on...there have been so many clowns that still protect KF. And everyone of them want us all banned. What a bunch of crybabies.
I got a message from John today to ignore Shift. A guy that called me every name in the book for 3 years. Now he is embarrassed and asked me to banned again. Why has he and that cult never been banned. They have been proved wrong time and and again. The mods let them lie about realist posters but when the going gets tough they cry they are being picked on.
 
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First inkling was the Cincinnati game 2 years ago when they tricked us on TWO onsides kicks and a couple of other trick plays. Right then I thought "we are getting schooled by a superior coach." The second was the bowl in Orlando. I DROVE all that way and he wasn't willing to at least TRY to give the other QB another chance. After last season, I really wanted him to succeed, but after the way this year hit the dumpster before it even began, I had had enough.
 
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Was never ecstatic about the choice of Flood - his selection carried the aroma of desperation - the winner by default... but still one could hope - hope that he might emerge from obscurity and be wise & inspiring. Well, hope got washed away by the tide of mediocrity and repeated evidence that Flood is comprehensively clueless - especially in areas that he has not witnessed others deal with numerous times before - essentially, when faced with a challenge that he would have to figure out on his own - look out, disaster looms! When facing situations with little precedent, Flood veers toward poor decision making.

A huge, huge turning point in my impressions of him was in the email/grade situation - the inquiry was wrong - but understandable & probably forgivable - - but when Flood planned out the various step to meet the instructor - carefully selecting a remote location, carefully selecting his non-identifying attire, and all the time blatantly and willfully ignoring the blunt advice and cautions of the academic support staffer - During all of this, a voice should have been going off in Flood's head - a voice should have said "What I am planning to do is flat-out WRONG, it violates conduct standards and I must stop" -

The other point is now a bit like a flash-back ... it annoyed me at the time, but it seemed then to be just a moderate annoyance. However, it has stuck in my head - and after revisiting it, it now really turns my stomach ... This set of comments from Flood about the QB decision - and the tone / message from Flood starkly suggests some fundamental common sense flaws in how he analyzes things & expresses himself

What nauseated me can be found in this September 7, 2015 article:
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...hayden_rettig_named_rutgers_starting_qua.html

SPECIFICALLY THIS SECTION:

So, what more could Rettig have done to win the starting job?


"It's not about what more anybody could have done," Flood said. "Ultimately I've got to look at the body of work and make a decision based on what gives our team the best opportunity to be 1-0, just like we do at every position."


Flood said the body of work was the deciding factor in the choice, but he didn't elaborate on what specifically separated Laviano from Rettig.


"I wouldn't want to do that because I don't really want to share what we see as a staff as maybe the deficiencies of any of our players and give those thing up in game planning to our opponents," Flood said
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I can remember reading this and thinking 'Flood is an idiot .. and a malicious one!' Instead of simply tap-dancing his way out of the conversation, saying ' we are blessed with two great choices, but we had to pick one & we are going with Chris and are delighted to know that Hayden is poised to lead the team at a moment's notice' .. noooo ... he stupidly had to wander off into making some ambiguous insinuation about some sort of 'deficiencies' that Rettig had - 'deficiencies' that apparently were quite evident in Flood's head - and entered into his thinking. I thought - wow, what king of a jerk coach throws a kid under the bus like that?

Ultimately with Flood, we have 'to look at the body of work and make a decision based on what gives our team the best opportunity' - we have to get beyond the W-L and look at the quality of the vision & the decision making & the probability of future success. When it comes to Flood - the quality is just not there.
He lost me at hello...
 
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