Princeton

[PiscatawayMike]

For all the talk of this being a rivalry game, from Carino's article: "As of Nov. 1, fewer than 3,000 tickets had been sold for the 8,600-seat arena."

Less than a week out and the arena isn't even half full?

Here's the link for those wondering how ticket sales are going. The blue dots are the unsold seats.https://www.ticketmaster.com/event/00005F0185721B1C

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[ruinac]

As a Princeton alum and a long time RU prof, I'm all for this game. Bring back a home and home series. You have two of the nine colonial colleges playing and in-state. Ivy League vs B1G, and a fairly level playing field. The two schools that invented the game of football.

Of course, if we hadn't played them and lost to them last year, we'd have made the NCAAs. Oh, wait a minute. We didn't and we didn't.

Life, including basketball, is about more than making the NCAAs. And this rivalry might account for about 1% of the variance of making it or not. Bring on the rivalry!

(And what rocket scientist put it in Trenton?)

It took a while for the schools to agree to play. Pru Center was already booked for many Nov dates. Not many neutral sites to choose from at that point.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Lets

I would say around the time they stopped playing us in football. Late 70’s maybe?

Ask steve worthy

 

[RUPete]

Princeton has some gravitas.
Always has.
From Bill Bradley to Geoff Petrie to Brian Taylor to Pete Carill to the Georgetown game to UCLA upset to Sweet 16 last year.
They are one of two favorites to win the Ivy this year.
Classifying them as just another Q3 team is simply not reality. Eye test can’t be ignored.
It’s in State, game has a rich history, it’s a rivalry, it NJ, it’s the first football game, prepares of slower paced teams like MSU, Wiscy, NW, practice D and back doors…

Bill Bradley and Geoff Petrie???? Yes, I know who they are. And yes, I’m aware it’s also 2023.

 

[SkilletHead2]

Bill Bradley and Geoff Petrie???? Yes, I know who they are. And yes, I’m aware it’s also 2023.

You mean the year immediately following the year Princeton made it to the Sweet Sixteen?

 

[Rhuarc]

Scheduling is not done in a bubble. Not many teams of note even want to step into the RAC. So this is what you get, the local gimmick game. It alleviates some of the pressure from the locals who want Princeton back in the mix and gets us a local neutral site game that should be turning into a Rutgers home game, in theory.

The lip service about crime and fear is a lame excuse for not attending the game, IMO.

 

[darkcheck]

You mean the year immediately following the year Princeton made it to the Sweet Sixteen?

Rivalry, please, not for 30+ years. Say you’re old without saying you’re old. First football game…..can you tie in the civil war too somehow. And being a Cinderella who made the sweet 16 last year Carries no clout the following year. Should we schedule FAU too?

 

[bethlehemfan]

Lets

Ask steve worthy

not sure what you’re saying there greenie

 

[Brisket and Bourbon]

Is this game really a rivalry? Rivalries mean people think and almost obsess about the other team…unc duke, usc ucla, cal Stanford. I can’t imagine PU people getting all excited about playing RU, other than RU is just up the road. Shu is actually more of a rivalry…they hate RU and we mock those clowns as fans of a crappy school in the oranges.

Has this site ever had a PU fan show up to talk smack? I don’t think they even give RU the slightest bit of thought. Reminds me of state penn…we’d like to think we are rivals…we are not! 🤣

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I remember, probably incorectly, steve worthy having a great game vs princeton

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Here is a nuggett

Rutgers 46, Princeton 41

Charlie Weiler blocked a shot and Steve Worthy made a steal and a basket in the final minute Tuesday night to a give Rutgers a 46-41 victory over Princeton,...

www.upi.com

 

[bethlehemfan]

G

Here is a nuggett

Rutgers 46, Princeton 41

Charlie Weiler blocked a shot and Steve Worthy made a steal and a basket in the final minute Tuesday night to a give Rutgers a 46-41 victory over Princeton,...

www.upi.com

Good ball player

 

[PiscatawayMike]

Here is a nuggett

Rutgers 46, Princeton 41

Charlie Weiler blocked a shot and Steve Worthy made a steal and a basket in the final minute Tuesday night to a give Rutgers a 46-41 victory over Princeton,...

www.upi.com

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

That zone would never cut it in todays game!

 

[The RUT]

I just don’t understand why this game isn’t at the RAC.

Princeton isn’t worth a neutral site location.

You tell them they can play at the RAC to open each season if they’d like and that’s it.

 

[G- RUnit]

I remember, probably incorectly, steve worthy having a great game vs princeton

I referenced Steve Worthy about 50 posts ago before attacked.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I referenced Steve Worthy about 50 posts ago before attacked.

Maybe crime is really an issue

 

[G- RUnit]

Maybe crime is really an issue

He was a great player. Gets lost in RU history.

 

[RUPete]

You mean the year immediately following the year Princeton made it to the Sweet Sixteen?

Great. We’re still going to reference an irrelevant fact here? You Princeton guys are funny. Do the terms NET, Quad and NCAA tournament mean anything to you? Look forward not back.

 

[SkilletHead2]

Great. We’re still going to reference an irrelevant fact here? You Princeton guys are funny. Do the terms NET, Quad and NCAA tournament mean anything to you? Look forward not back.

Rutgers and Princeton are about a lot more than Quads and NETS. Sadly, it looks like you will never understand that.

 

[RepeatedCrown6]

Kind of surprised RU is favored by that much. Princeton was in the Sweet 16 last year. If my math is correct, you have to win two games in the NCAA Tournament to pull that off. Rutgers has not done that in over 45 years. Also, given that it's a neutral site game, I'm not so sure this will show up as Quad 3. I think Quad 2 is definitely on the table.

All that said, Princeton and Seton Hall are both big opportunities for good neutral and road wins. If RU can pull off the sweep, the NCAA committee will like that.

2 of their best players from that team are gone in Tosan and Landborg.

 

[SkilletHead2]

Rivalry, please, not for 30+ years. Say you’re old without saying you’re old. First football game…..can you tie in the civil war too somehow. And being a Cinderella who made the sweet 16 last year Carries no clout the following year. Should we schedule FAU too?

This is a fun discussion, darkcheck. No need to be a jerk about it. The Princeton/Rutgers rivalry in sports goes back to 1869, so you can't quite make it to the Civil War. But each university has been around for over 100 years before that, right down the road from one another.

Princeton is a very good basketball team, and pretty much has been for the past half century, with a lot of very good players. Over the past 25 years, their record is a lot better than ours as has their NCAA record.

With the trajectory Pikiell has RU on, we can afford the horrors of playing one potentially Q3 game each year.

I'm not afraid to.

 

[RUChoppin]

Rutgers and Princeton are about a lot more than Quads and NETS. Sadly, it looks like you will never understand that.

Rutgers vs. Princeton is a rivalry in the minds of an ever-shrinking part of the fanbase. I'm in my mid-40s and I really don't care much about the game - the rivalry was before my time. They're slightly more interesting than playing a rando Q3 game to me - but like other Q3 teams, they're not worth the downside risk.

I don't see playing Princeton as much different than playing a more competitive Rider, FDU, Monmouth, etc - they're an in-state program from a one-bid conference. There's a bit more interest because of there's some long-ago historical connections between our programs - but the reality is that a win in this game isn't meaningful to me other than as part of the resume.

For me it's either a ho-hum win or a black-mark loss.

 

[SkilletHead2]

Rutgers vs. Princeton is a rivalry in the minds of an ever-shrinking part of the fanbase. I'm in my mid-40s and I really don't care much about the game - the rivalry was before my time. They're slightly more interesting than playing a rando Q3 game to me - but like other Q3 teams, they're not worth the downside risk.

I don't see playing Princeton as much different than playing a more competitive Rider, FDU, Monmouth, etc - they're an in-state program from a one-bid conference. There's a bit more interest because of there's some long-ago historical connections between our programs - but the reality is that a win in this game isn't meaningful to me other than as part of the resume.

For me it's either a ho-hum win or a black-mark loss.

It used to be a great rivalry, but no longer can be in football. It could be in basketball. But not if the games are played in Trenton! The naysayers have made their point, and the advocates have as well, so probably well enough to leave it be.

 

[RUPete]

Rutgers and Princeton are about a lot more than Quads and NETS. Sadly, it looks like you will never understand that.

Stop already. I grew up watching this rivalry and I use that term loosely. It’s done and it is not useful to us anymore. Sadly, folks like you don’t understand that and refuse to look forward.

 

[darkcheck]

This is a fun discussion, darkcheck. No need to be a jerk about it. The Princeton/Rutgers rivalry in sports goes back to 1869, so you can't quite make it to the Civil War. But each university has been around for over 100 years before that, right down the road from one another.

Princeton is a very good basketball team, and pretty much has been for the past half century, with a lot of very good players. Over the past 25 years, their record is a lot better than ours as has their NCAA record.

With the trajectory Pikiell has RU on, we can afford the horrors of playing one potentially Q3 game each year.

I'm not afraid to.

My apologies for any “low blows” but I figured you’d have tougher skin. Listen I’m older myself, and Princeton as a rival is a long, long time ago and has no relevance now. The ticket sales scream I’m right. I go back to Temple and WV being big rivals and that was, heck, 40 years ago. Another poster put it best, a ho-hum win or a terrible Q3 loss. It’s not a matter of being afraid it’s just foolish scheduling.

 

[GORU2014]

This game is not a good idea

 

[Scangg]

Stop already. I grew up watching this rivalry and I use that term loosely. It’s done and it is not useful to us anymore. Sadly, folks like you don’t understand that and refuse to look forward.

We play tons of lower level teams early season every year. Even of you aren't crazy into the "rivalry", how is Princeton not more interesting than random lower level teams we have no interesting history with?

 

[S.W.A.I.N]

This game is not a good idea

You’re right. It’s a GREAT idea.

 

[SkilletHead2]

My apologies for any “low blows” but I figured you’d have tougher skin. Listen I’m older myself, and Princeton as a rival is a long, long time ago and has no relevance now. The ticket sales scream I’m right. I go back to Temple and WV being big rivals and that was, heck, 40 years ago. Another poster put it best, a ho-hum win or a terrible Q3 loss. It’s not a matter of being afraid it’s just foolish scheduling.

Thanks for olieve branch, dark. Back atcha.

We may be about the same age. I'm biased, but I think it's such a natural rivalry that it ought to be cultivated. We'll see.

 

[SkilletHead2]

Stop already. I grew up watching this rivalry and I use that term loosely. It’s done and it is not useful to us anymore. Sadly, folks like you don’t understand that and refuse to look forward.

There are tons of good reasons to promote the rivalry, and the only ones against are "we won't get enough credit for a win and too much blame for a loss." Those are the arguments of the weak.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

When was the last time this game felt like a rivalry? Was it the 90s?

Sone game in early waters era. Remember going to a sold out jadwin before douby and we won

That was 20 years ago and the last time the game had any real interest

 

[bac2therac]

I remember, probably incorectly, steve worthy having a great game vs princeton

Was it 46-45

 

[biazza38]

Been saying this since day one. This is as stupid of a game as it gets. For starters, we have a HORRIBLE out of conference track record on the road/neutral site the last 4 years.
So what do we do, we schedule a quad 3 game, in Trenton, against a very well coached team that made the sweet 16 the first game of the year?!?! This does nothing for our resume if we win. And we have to play it like it’s a quad one game. Might as well go play a top 20 team on the road. It’s so stupid it incomprehensible. And please stop with the rivalry talk.

 

[bitnez]

No one on the committee will view a loss to Princeton as a good loss. Let’s forget that narrative. They are a Q3 school, period. For those fans that want the game don’t make it something it’s not. It’s nostalgic, I get it, but that’s really all it is. There is no rivalry anymore.

BTW, I’ll be there and fully expect to cover the spread.

 

[CollegeAve]

Rutgers and Princeton are about a lot more than Quads and NETS. Sadly, it looks like you will never understand that.

Our season is dependent upon quads and nets. We were the second team out of the tournament last year. I would sacrifice ever playing Princeton, Columbia, Lehigh, and Lafayette again if it benefits Rutgers tournament chances.

 

[toby83]

They get 6k that's a good number for a Monday at this location

 

[ruinac]

To refresh some memories:

Pike refuses to play Nov tournaments.
The Committee made it clear that our weak OOC was a factor against us this past season.
So RU scrambled to find quality opponents for this season.
Since by Spring most schools had already filled their schedule with the number of Q1 and Q2 opponents they wanted, the list of attractive teams interested in playing RU was short.
Since Pike didn’t want to plug in away games RU looked for neutral sites. But sites such as MSG and Pru book many dates long in advance.
The unannounced agreement to play St. John's at MSG 12/23 fell through.
Miss State at Pru 12/23 ”replaced” the SJU game.
Princeton at Cure was the best or close to the best option left.

Those who are late to the table get what’s leftover.

Personally, I like the PU game but that’s irrelevant. Pike scrambled to make the best of it.

 

[RUInsanity]

Great. We’re still going to reference an irrelevant fact here? You Princeton guys are funny. Do the terms NET, Quad and NCAA tournament mean anything to you? Look forward not back.

Could be wrong but weren't teams below us in both NET (40) and Quad selected for the tourney while we were left out on the bubble? I actually want to go to this game but have a work event in Summit on Monday and will be impossible to get to Trenton (or any other location for that matter). Not sure why we are afraid of NET impact when last season we opened with Fairfield, Columbia, Umass-Lowell etc......further as a fan, this year opening against Princeton I find infinitely more interesting than any of those games. People seem to prefer complaining instead of just enjoying the ride.

 

[RUChoppin]

Could be wrong but weren't teams below us in both NET (40) and Quad selected for the tourney while we were left out on the bubble? I actually want to go to this game but have a work event in Summit on Monday and will be impossible to get to Trenton (or any other location for that matter). Not sure why we are afraid of NET impact when last season we opened with Fairfield, Columbia, Umass-Lowell etc......further as a fan, this year opening against Princeton I find infinitely more interesting than any of those games. People seem to prefer complaining instead of just enjoying the ride.

The narrative was we didn't have enough quality out of conference wins. And we didn't, because we don't play enough q1/q2 out of conference teams.

Not sure how adding a Q3 team changes that narrative, but it is at least incrementally better than adding another q4 team if there were no q1/ q2 available.