QB Tylin Oden

[srru86]

As for the backhanded complement... I wouldn't trade my time in State College for anything.

Yes, the comment is a little cheeky but I never said State College was a crap town or that I wouldn't probably have enjoyed my time if I went there. But it is about setting RU apart. State College is very much like the other Big Ten towns. Generally nice places, if a touch remote. Places where life revolves around what excites a college kid, pretty cool. But other than maybe Northwestern none have easy access to a world class city.

 

[NickyNewark51]

NYC is part of the official visit, or as least was. They weren't unsupervised. I believe they would secure a private train for the entourage. NYC is unique. Most schools don't have an option to do something like that, so it is a moot point.

At ''Cuse'' Doug Marrone had a yearly trip to Ft Drum army base to bring his team to visit...doubt they were going there to check out a Broadway play...but its not recruiting.

 

[NickyNewark51]

I actually more or less agree with cheesesteak. It's a nice thing to point to but I don't think it means all that much to recruits. I had some good times in nyc during college...especially Yankee playoff games 99-01, but most of my best memories happened right in da Brunz.

same here...i see his point and agree.

 

[RUMBA-JK]

Not sure if anybody has ever truly fully capitalized on NYC - if done right, it has the potential to be a game changer for certain recruits - but the key is understanding the recruit & proper positioning.
Similarly - the Rutgers Alumni network & surrounding industry / corporate environment could be tapped in certain cases as well.

 

[kupuna133]

Appreciate the comments. Hopefully I wasn't coming across as painting recruits with a broad brush. Hate rural settings? NYC is a draw. Know your future isn't in football? NYC might be a draw. Ultimately, however, for the majority of recruits, especially those of the caliber that will help you win at a high level, relationships and the chance to compete for championships will forever be king, regardless of where you are.

I somewhat agree with you Cheesesteak. The trip to NYC has less to do with entertainment value than the resources available. Students at RU have the ability to have an internship while taking classes in NYC. Not over a break but as part of their regular curriculum. Can any other school in the BIG compete with that? Football players may not have the flexibility to take advantage but to show how NYC can be a realistic place to develop a career is definitely a selling point.

 

[cubuffsdoug]

I actually more or less agree with cheesesteak. It's a nice thing to point to but I don't think it means all that much to recruits. I had some good times in nyc during college...especially Yankee playoff games 99-01, but most of my best memories happened right in da Brunz.

Actually is does mean some to a lot of the recruits. Just like people on here who repeat something 5 million times to make it true.[roll]But, seriously it's a selling point about opportunities during and after college due to Rutgers location. Gause did an internship in the City while in summer school as well as Milewski too. You can't do that from PSU or any other power 5 school. I believe former player & current assistant AD Shawn Tucker has a program setup for players to look into opportunities for them in the City with different companies. Either as interns or job opportunities. It's one of the reasons Schiano and Flood made the push to connect Rutgers to the city.

 

[newell138]

Young Mr Oden seems to have his head on straight:

"I want a school that has my major – chemical engineering,” he said. “If I have an opportunity to play somewhere, it doesn’t matter the conference or the things behind the school. I just want to go somewhere and have an opportunity to play and educate myself. That’s all I need. I don’t ask for too much, honestly.”

The good news - Rutgers happens to have a very good Chemical Engineering program. He will also have an opportunity to get early playing time.

And after you graduate RU #s can get you a job at a major pharma company in the NY/NJ area

 

[Caliknight]

At ''Cuse'' Doug Marrone had a yearly trip to Ft Drum army base to bring his team to visit...doubt they were going there to check out a Broadway play...but its not recruiting.

Not sure what these two things have to do with each other.

 

[Plum Street]

I somewhat agree with you Cheesesteak. The trip to NYC has less to do with entertainment value than the resources available. Students at RU have the ability to have an internship while taking classes in NYC. Not over a break but as part of their regular curriculum. Can any other school in the BIG compete with that? Football players may not have the flexibility to take advantage but to show how NYC can be a realistic place to develop a career is definitely a selling point.

So we expect our football players to take classes and have internships and play football ?
I want players that are interested in developing a career in the NFL and winning college football games , not looking at opportunities in Manhattan .

 

[mdk01]

You can't do that from PSU or any other power 5 school.

Repeating what someone said above, you can definitely do it from Northwestern, as Chicago is 2nd only to NYC with respect to the financial industry. At this point it's also possible to do it from UT (Austin), Cal and Stanford (San Fran and San Jose).

 

[kupuna133]

So we expect our football players to take classes and have internships and play football ?
I want players that are interested in developing a career in the NFL and winning college football games , not looking at opportunities in Manhattan .

Think you may have a reading comprehension problem....

 

[Sec 127]

Can anybody direct me to the thread about the new QB target from Tenn? Seems to have speed, agility and a live arm. Love to hear what others think about the chances to get him to sign.

 

[PatrickRU92]

State College is very much like the other Big Ten towns. Generally nice places, if a touch remote..

A touch? That means Mongolia is a touch remote

 

[Plum Street]

Think you may have a reading comprehension problem....

No I don't . This is a big ten program . We are in this to win games . If taking recruits to NYC on a visit helps us get good players I am all for it . But this is about football and we shouldn't pretend it's anymore than that . Most people in the stands at games don't give a rat's ass what a kid does in the classroom or where he may have an internship .

 

[cubuffsdoug]

No I don't . This is a big ten program . We are in this to win games . If taking recruits to NYC on a visit helps us get good players I am all for it . But this is about football and we shouldn't pretend it's anymore than that . Most people in the stands at games don't give a rat's ass what a kid does in the classroom or where he may have an internship .

Less than 1% of college seniors have a real shot at pro football, so a lot of players do think beyond football. I just love when fans tell players what they should be thinking and doing for their future.:chairshot:

 

[kupuna133]

Less than 1% of college seniors have a real shot at pro football, so a lot of players do think beyond football. I just love when fans tell players what they should be thinking and doing for their future.:chairshot:

Beat me to this response. Was going to say the same thing. And of that 1% the average career lifespan is a little over 3 seasons. Sounds like sage advice Plum

 

[Plum Street]

Less than 1% of college seniors have a real shot at pro football, so a lot of players do think beyond football. I just love when fans tell players what they should be thinking and doing for their future.:chairshot:

Most fans don't care what a player does off the field . It's the truth

 

[kupuna133]

No I don't . This is a big ten program . We are in this to win games . If taking recruits to NYC on a visit helps us get good players I am all for it . But this is about football and we shouldn't pretend it's anymore than that . Most people in the stands at games don't give a rat's ass what a kid does in the classroom or where he may have an internship .

Thats where I think you are wrong. The average person in the stands is an alumni of this University, compared to many of the football factories, which are not. The average fan want people to be successful both on the field and off and have successful lives and careers after their playing days are over.

 

[cubuffsdoug]

Most fans don't care what a player does off the field . It's the truth

And most players don't care what fans think, so there everyone is even.[roll]

 

[Kbee3]

So we expect our football players to take classes and have internships and play football ?
I want players that are interested in developing a career in the NFL and winning college football games , not looking at opportunities in Manhattan .

So glad they decided not to give you any role in recruiting athletes to Rutgers.

 

[Caliknight]

Most fans don't care what a player does off the field . It's the truth

I do. Anyone else?

 

[MidwestKnights]

Not sure if anybody has ever truly fully capitalized on NYC - if done right, it has the potential to be a game changer for certain recruits - but the key is understanding the recruit & proper positioning.
Similarly - the Rutgers Alumni network & surrounding industry / corporate environment could be tapped in certain cases as well.

It helps with those recruits who are academic and career focused, especially those interested in finance or media.

I've always thought that Rutgers has an opportunity to be one of the top schools for the top academic players and the near NYC location plus proximity to D.C, Philly, and Boston should help cement that. An academic all American should have this check down if we build the program right:

Stanford, Cal, ND, Northwestern, Michigan, Wisconsin, Rutgers.

Of course the region of the country they are from will make a difference in how a recruit runs through that check down. UVA and Duke will probably always be in that mix as well.

 

[RUsojo]

One of you enterprising Scarlet Nation posters should work on a poll of current and former RU football players: How often did you visit NYC during your time at RU, and how much did it impact your experience there?

My guesses: not very often, and not much at all.

A PSU poster making 50 posts in one thread on an RU board because he thinks his guesses are factually more correct than a Rutgers fans guess. And feels the need to re-affirm that guess after each thread post.

 

[RUChoppin]

I like smart players. Smart players grasp new concepts quickly, they can understand complex plays/etc, they can adapt more rapidly.

Smart players also know the odds of making to the NFL - being an elite talent who sees the field a lot, while also navigating 3-4 years without injury, etc - and then succeeding long enough in the NFL to make it out of your rookie contract to free agency (again, making the starting roster, navigating around injury, etc).

Good for Tylin, wanting to make sure that he gets an education in exchange for his performance on the field. He gets it. Hopefully he signs with Rutgers and has a successful career here and beyond.

 

[Knight Shift]

Can anybody direct me to the thread about the new QB target from Tenn? Seems to have speed, agility and a live arm. Love to hear what others think about the chances to get him to sign.

Man, look at the video at 5:07. I could not imagine a Rutgers QB doing that. Better than a Leonard leap.

 

[Ataylor1989x]

Looks great.....

For what it's worth, I'm just as sold on Lindsey Scott, Jr.....for a few reasons,...even though he might be a bit short, he seems to have the intelligence and pedigree to be a real leader like Russell Wilson and Drew Brees.


Scott reminds me of Brees in that he was a proven winner, a player of the year at the highest high school level, but lightly recruited .....and the son of an attorney, and ignored by his home state's powers. brees was only recruited by Ivy League schools, Kentucky and Purdue......Scott has only a few offers, including ULM and Harvard.

I'm very very happy to see that Lindsey Scott Jr. Just got an offer from Rutgers.....from everything I've read on him, he's exactly the kind of player you want in your program when your program is redefining it's culture.

 

[vkj91]

Most fans don't care what a player does off the field . It's the truth

Funny, I don't remember that attitude when cops were showing up at the Hale Center.

 

[Knight Shift]

Man, look at the video at 5:07. I could not imagine a Rutgers QB doing that. Better than a Leonard leap.

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Did anyone watch the video at 5:07?

 

[vkj91]

I can't believe you guys have been arguing with a PSU fan for 3 pages about this. Who cares what he thinks or what his opinion is? Anybody who is on this site has read recruits comments after seeing NYC for the first time. Jsut like some of the florida kids when they see snow. Some love it and it seems like the most exciting place in the world. Others might now pay it much attention because it's not there thing. Remember when Applefield was excited to find out there was hunting and fishing nearby? However, doesn't matter what you like there isn't a person in the world who isn't wowed by seeing NYC for the first time. Every person has their thing, like Jared from Subway kept going back to Penn State for some reason.

 

[PatrickRU92]

I can't believe you guys have been arguing with a PSU fan for 3 pages about this.

 

[BoogieKnight]

I agree with everything you said. But that doesn't change my point that 99.9% of the kids who sign with RU will do so because they like the school and the coaches, and/or because of any success the program has in the future. Not because they'll be an hour from NYC, a city they'll almost always be too busy to visit.

The number of TV sets in the state and RU's proximity to NYC got you guys into the B1G, yes. Now it's time to focus on building the program. The fact that you're in the shadow of the world's greatest city isn't going to make RU a title contender. The Empire State Building being lit up in scarlet isn't going to cut it either. This is about Ash building something. If he can do that, those things might become the icing on his recruiting cake, sure, but alone they'll never convince a top recruit to go to RU. That's my point.

True, it's more of a pro market than a college market, no doubt. However, I don't think we've truly reached our potential here. We've only had one nationally relevant season in modern times (really ever since we were the equivalent of a 1-AA in 1961 and 1976) and even then we played in a Big Least which no longer had a Miami or VT or any other national level program in it. With the B1G now as our platform, a 2006-type season would turn A LOT more heads now than 10 years ago. We just have to get it done so people can see it. Then kids will start banging down the Hale Center door to play here and proximity to NYC will indeed become a factor. Right now it's not because we haven't proven we can legitimately hang in the Big Ten yet. And please don't tell me 8-5 in 2014.

 

[BoogieKnight]

We'll have to agree to disagree. For me, this discussion is all about the importance of being near NYC versus the staff and program recruiting itself. And in that respect, history is on my side. Rutgers has always been near NYC, no? How many big-time midwestern recruits did Schiano, Flood, or any other RU coach sign? If you do start signing one or two each cycle, it will be because Ash is building something in New Brunswick/Piscataway, not Manhattan.

Well, we didn't start seriously investing in big time football until the 21st century and yeah, no one was coming from out of the area to Rutgers to play in a (Big East) conference with no major national programs in it after Miami and VT left, even after our good run in 2006. But the Big Ten now gives Rutgers that national platform it never had before. Different times. Furthermore, why do you care? I thought Rutgers doesn't matter? So if we want to sit on our little board and think proximity to NYC matters who cares?

 

[KevH]

That has nothing to do with spending your OV on campus instead of an hour away.

Hey Vegas,

Did you used to call in to the post game show on WCTC back in the day?

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

Negative.

As for why I care? I don't care in the sense that what you think impacts my day. I just was under the impression this was a forum related to college football.

Kudos to the RU fans who see my point, and realize that whatever Ash and his staff build at Rutgers will be a much more important determinant of recruiting success than the Broadway shows, skyscrapers, and internship opportunities an hour away.

 

[Ataylor1989x]

That's a nice sentiment to hear, regardless of what he chooses.



Also, I guess this means they made it from South Brunswick to Spring Hill, TN pretty fast.

 

[RedSpartan]

That's a nice sentiment to hear, regardless of what he chooses.

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Also, I guess this means they made it from South Brunswick to Spring Hill, TN pretty fast.

They better hurry back for the 5 am workout tomorrow! Lol!

 

[WhiteBus]

So we expect our football players to take classes and have internships and play football ?
I want players that are interested in developing a career in the NFL and winning college football games , not looking at opportunities in Manhattan .

Is going to classes and getting a degree meaningless in your mind?

 

[rutgersdave]

I think Oden comes here and Scott goes to Maryland. 247thinks so too.

 

[soundcrib]

Geezus Kryst...if we get this kid!

 

[FanuSanu52]

I like smart players. Smart players grasp new concepts quickly, they can understand complex plays/etc, they can adapt more rapidly.

Smart players also know the odds of making to the NFL - being an elite talent who sees the field a lot, while also navigating 3-4 years without injury, etc - and then succeeding long enough in the NFL to make it out of your rookie contract to free agency (again, making the starting roster, navigating around injury, etc).

Good for Tylin, wanting to make sure that he gets an education in exchange for his performance on the field. He gets it. Hopefully he signs with Rutgers and has a successful career here and beyond.

I started typing the exact same thought in response to Plum Street's dopey comment, then went back and read yours, which is much better than what I was writing. 100 percent agree.