Ray Rice situation
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This is exactly why women DON'T report abuse often.
If their husband, and often the breadwinner in the family, loses his job due to the consequences then they are screwed too.
Its a catch-22.
With that said, he isn't in the NFL because of his age. No one is "blocking him".
If he was younger he would be on a team. Think Michael Vick and a whole bunch of other thugs in the NFL.
If their husband, and often the breadwinner in the family, loses his job due to the consequences then they are screwed too.
Its a catch-22.
With that said, he isn't in the NFL because of his age. No one is "blocking him".
If he was younger he would be on a team. Think Michael Vick and a whole bunch of other thugs in the NFL.
Ray Rice and "The Situation"? Run with it. A new MTV buddy reality show. Throw in Dice Clay, and you have a hit. Or a real funny miss.
Ray made $28 million in 6 years in the league. I feel he should have gotten another chance, after all, Greg Hardy did, but not because he's suffering any financial hardship.
But I also think this ship has sailed. If Ray really wants to repair his reputation and maybe stay involved with football, maybe he should consider the coaching fellowship program
But I also think this ship has sailed. If Ray really wants to repair his reputation and maybe stay involved with football, maybe he should consider the coaching fellowship program
This opinion is probably unpopular on this board, but I believe that if someone in the NFL thought Ray could help them, he would have played this season. I think that before everything happened with his wife, Ray was viewed as being on the downside of his career. He struggled in 2013 and there was talk of some of his playing time being taken by Bernard Pierce prior to the 2014 season. Seems the NFL owners give second chances to just about anyone they think can give them an advantage on the field (Greg Hardy, really?). It is amazing what will cause these people to look the other way. I feel bad for Ray but he always took the ball, which probably meant he wore himself down similar to many of the other RBs with high output. If he didn't get a shot in 2015, I am not sure he ever will. There certainly were a lot of injuries.
The sad thing is that many view Ray that way primarily for two reasons - (1) he toughed it out that last year in Baltimore with a bad hip, and (2) he played behind the worst OL in the league that year. Bernard Pierce averaged even less YPC than Ray.
Sorry, but RR has been blackballed. Several owners are on record as saying they wouldn't allow him to play for them. For those saying he's past his prime, that's bull. A tryout costs a team NOTHING, yet not one team brought him in for a simple tryout.
A try out buys them a shit ton of bad publicity for an over the hill RB.
RB has become one of the least valued positions in the league in the last several years.
RB has become one of the least valued positions in the league in the last several years.
All I know is the NY Daily news had a story about Johnny Manziel and the fact there might be a video of him abusing his girlfriend.
The article contained photos. One was a photo of JM in his Browns uniform on the field. The other was a still of RR punching Janay in the elevator and another was a whole gallery of black athlete mug shots. I don't understand why everything has to go back to RR every time.
The article contained photos. One was a photo of JM in his Browns uniform on the field. The other was a still of RR punching Janay in the elevator and another was a whole gallery of black athlete mug shots. I don't understand why everything has to go back to RR every time.
There was video. If there was video of adrian peterson beating his son, you think he would be in the NFL? Its not complicated.
Exactly. Although in AP's case there were pictures of the bloody welts he raised on his 4 year old son's bottom and thighs. But on ESPN and TMZ that's not as compelling as playing a video over and over and over and over.
If he wasn't a great RU football player, if he was from Syracuse or UConn would you feel the same way about the NFL "blocking him from providing for his family". Honest question, if the answer is it doesn't matter than I'm ok with your opinion.
As much as I detest certain schools, if a player who is known as an outstanding citizen makes a single mistake, I would want him to get a second chance. (Provided it wasn't murder or boiling puppies alive or denying Global Warming.) We've had NFL players get second chances after killing people; we've had some players get third and fourth chances. In my mind, what AP did to his four year old child is far worse than what RR did or Hardy did. Yet he's been welcomed back with open arms and all is forgiven.
DJ- I get what you are saying because what AP did was against a child but...Hardy is so far beyond him as a waste of life...
lol yeah, a guy who made $28M in 6-years needs a "substantial" pay day. What kind of TMZ world are you living in my friend?
Now, I don't believe it's right that RR is still being "blackballed," don't get me wrong, but unless he's a complete moron he should have a good chunk of that $$$ still around and, if he made decent investments, a lot more.
I think Ray is being blackballed as well. We all know that his off-field reputation prior to this incident was excellent, so this adds to the frustration that he's not being given a fair chance. His wife has forgiven him; the NFL should at least give him a tryout.
pac man jones 2009.. on video..
According to Jones, the bouncers put Reid in a choke hold, pulled out expandable batons like the kind carried by riot police, and hurled racial epithets at Jones and Reid.
"I'll crack your f---ing knees, n-----," threatened one bouncer, according to a statement Jones provided.
Jones and his entourage were thrown out of the club. Moments later, prosecutors say, a lone gunman -- a man they say was Edwards -- stepped from behind a palm tree at the front of the club and opened fire.
Three people were shot. Cudworth, the bouncer who fought with Jones, was shot in the chest and left forearm. Shift manager Tom Urbanski was shot in the chest. A bullet remains lodged in Urbanski's spine, and he is paralyzed from the waist down. A patron, Natalie Jones, was grazed by a bullet on the left side of her head. The three shooting victims have filed separate civil lawsuits against Jones.
Two Minxx bouncers interviewed by "Outside the Lines" said Jones approached the dancer who was collecting the money, grabbed her by the hair and hit her in the face with a closed fist. Jones has denied attacking the entertainer. No charges have been filed.
According to witness statements in court documents, when Minxx bouncer Aaron Cudworth grabbed Jones in an effort to forcibly remove him from the club, Jones said, "I'm gonna kill ya. Matter of fact, all youse are gonna get it." During the struggle, according to witnesses, Jones bit Cudworth near his left ankle.
According to Jones, the bouncers put Reid in a choke hold, pulled out expandable batons like the kind carried by riot police, and hurled racial epithets at Jones and Reid.
"I'll crack your f---ing knees, n-----," threatened one bouncer, according to a statement Jones provided.
Jones and his entourage were thrown out of the club. Moments later, prosecutors say, a lone gunman -- a man they say was Edwards -- stepped from behind a palm tree at the front of the club and opened fire.
Three people were shot. Cudworth, the bouncer who fought with Jones, was shot in the chest and left forearm. Shift manager Tom Urbanski was shot in the chest. A bullet remains lodged in Urbanski's spine, and he is paralyzed from the waist down. A patron, Natalie Jones, was grazed by a bullet on the left side of her head. The three shooting victims have filed separate civil lawsuits against Jones.
Two Minxx bouncers interviewed by "Outside the Lines" said Jones approached the dancer who was collecting the money, grabbed her by the hair and hit her in the face with a closed fist. Jones has denied attacking the entertainer. No charges have been filed.
According to witness statements in court documents, when Minxx bouncer Aaron Cudworth grabbed Jones in an effort to forcibly remove him from the club, Jones said, "I'm gonna kill ya. Matter of fact, all youse are gonna get it." During the struggle, according to witnesses, Jones bit Cudworth near his left ankle.
Well my friend, I have no idea what Rice's financial situation is. I do know that if he was given a chance in the NFL he would have a substantial pay day, which would benefit his wife & child. Therefore she is being hurt a second time.
I see the Cowboys finally released one of their players...after his 5th arrest. Some high standards in the NFL.
That's not the issue despite your attempts to conflate it with my point. The point is that she is being denied future substantial income, thereby being hurt a second time.
Anyone who thinks that Ray wasn't well past his prime and on the downside of his career (before the incident) doesn't watch too much NFL football. He may have been hurt that last season but he looked slow. The tank was running on empty. He had, at best, one year left in Baltimore although he probably would have caught somewhere especially now that that NFL has moved away from the 3-down model. At the same time, he has been blackballed. NE signed Stephen Jackson late this past season. He had nothing to offer and still got signed. That's exactly the type of opportunity Ray would have gotten but for the incident.
In the end, it's time to move on. He lost control and did something he never should have done. Sometimes in life you don't get a second chance.
In the end, it's time to move on. He lost control and did something he never should have done. Sometimes in life you don't get a second chance.
I'm guessing he blew through it all, just like most of the players do. Thing is...he's still young by real-life standards. He and Janelle can get a job and make a living like the rest of us do. They can liquidate their assets and they'd have to lower their living standards, but it's doable. And I'm sure Ray could come back and finish his degree if he wanted.
I understand exactly what you're saying:
it doesn't matter if Ray's wife is wearing the finest cloths, driving the most expensive car, and living in a multi-million $$$ home, or if his kid is going to the best school and gets everything he wants, either, as they deserve more - for some odd reason - and are being "hurt" by not having/getting more through the NFL.
Got it. I mean God forbid you might expect them to EARN a living in another fashion, and all, that would just be criminal now, wouldn't it? Not trying to be a jerk, I'm really not, but this type of thinking just really makes me shake my head. Sorry.
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No one said they deserve more. Once again, I stated that she was being hurt again by her husband not being given the opportunity to earn a substantial pay day in the NFL.
Completely agree with your post, but the one complicating factor is, although he's blackballed by the NFL, would he be blackballed in the workplace? One of the presumed reasons why he can't get a job in the NFL is because that team would take a lot of flack. Would a company take that risk either? I really don't know. It would have to be a company that is predominantly male and isn't completely vulnerable to public opinion. For example, could he be a sports agent, perhaps?
How do you know that this is "hurting" her and, if it is, how is this anyone's fault but Ray's? Again, they're adults, right?
(** your opinion is your opinion, no problem, I just don't get where this is coming from, that's all...)
Coward who beat up a women. Video proves it. NFL teams do not need a used up women beater with waining
or no potential. He should get a job with his degree and meld into post football life.
His education should get him a job. Many alums could hire him.
or no potential. He should get a job with his degree and meld into post football life.
His education should get him a job. Many alums could hire him.
The point has nothing to do with how much money he has or does not have. Back in the 50's when actors were blackballed, they had made more money then most of the population, does it make it right?
I'm sure some of us making 6 figures seem like we should have enough money too if you ask some out there.
I'm sure some of us making 6 figures seem like we should have enough money too if you ask some out there.
First, no one mentioned fault. That's introducing a new element & shifting the focal point of the discussion. Secondly, if you can't agree that Rice's inability to earn a pay day in the NFL harms his wife, then there is really no basis for further discussion IMO. Maybe we should just agree to disagree.
It's a value proposition. If a team thought the value he brought was greater than the bad PR they'd get for bringing him in, he'd be on a roster somewhere.
But, he's got a lot working against him. His age, his performance the last season he played and the video. Seeing as how the running back position has been largely commoditized in the league, his marginal value over a younger back without any bad publicity is low.
Don't fool yourselves. If one team thought he could help them win the Super Bowl, they'd pick him up and they'd kiss the trophy and shine their rings whenever someone brought up the incident/video.
But, he's got a lot working against him. His age, his performance the last season he played and the video. Seeing as how the running back position has been largely commoditized in the league, his marginal value over a younger back without any bad publicity is low.
Don't fool yourselves. If one team thought he could help them win the Super Bowl, they'd pick him up and they'd kiss the trophy and shine their rings whenever someone brought up the incident/video.
You still haven't explained HOW it is "harming" his wife and kid. Do you know the facts behind the family's finances? Will Ray and/or his wife never be able to earn a living again? Please...explain to me WHY it "hurts" his family at this point. Thank you.
I have explained how it is further harming his wife. Rice is being denied an NFL paycheck, & therefore an income for his family. I already stated that I'm not familiar with his financial circumstances, though I'm quite certain that his current employment, if he has any, is providing nothing near what he would realize with even a modest NFL contract & perhaps another following that. If you know facts to contradict this please share them. Rice & his wife's ability to "earn a living again", in some other field, which is what you are suggesting I assume, has no bearing on the issue at hand. Your ability to deny a situation & conflate issues appears to be limitless & I see further discussion of this topic as pointless. As is your wont, please be my guest & have the last word.
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