Realistic first year RU wins a Big 10 football title

[Thisguy410]

There's so many differing opinions on Ash, Flood, recruiting, what's acceptable, what isn't, where the program is heading etc. I want to get down to brass tax and see what fans on this board really expect when it comes to RU's progression so here it is...

What year do you believe Rutgers will win its first Big 10 football title? Not national champs, just this conference...

This is also not a "well I think we will every year"-bullcrap. be real about it.

And go!

 

[Tango Two]

There's so many differing opinions on Ash, Flood, recruiting, what's acceptable, what isn't, where the program is heading etc. I want to get down to brass tax and see what fans on this board really expect when it comes to RU's progression so here it is...

What year do you believe Rutgers will win its first Big 10 football title? Not national champs, just this conference...

This is also not a "well I think we will every year"-bullcrap. be real about it.

And go!

What year do YOU think?

 

[Thisguy410]

What year do YOU think?

Personally with the way our current facilities sit, along with being new and still establishing ourselves in this conference along with waiting for full share of revenue, realistically I will say 2028. I think it will take about 10 years to get truly competitive with the big boys and couple more to get over the hump

 

[brodo]

2034

 

[REDRICH65]

2030 and I won't be here to enjoy it.

 

[Plum Street]

It depends on how ash recruits . The current players are not good enough to win a big ten title .
Say ash recruits well the next few years and things break right it can happen . Maybe urban leaves or harbaugh . Maybe sanctions . You never know .
2020 we could be in the mix .

 

[Knight Shift]

2016 or bust, baby. Don't stop believin'. Meyer and Harbaugh and Dantonio will not be around forever.

 

[Ataylor1989x]

Once Rutgers gets to a place where they can finish top 3 in B1G East, then the garden could soon become fenced (or at least sufficiently fenced in terms of being able to field a team with elite talent and culture).....and once that happens, winning even bigger is inevitable.....success begats more hype, investment and success.

 

[RUforlife]

Arizona fans are still waiting for their first PAC 12 title. How many BE titles did we win? You need some luck when you play in such a loaded division, not only do you have to be good, but you need to have a couple of the traditional powers have tough years. I would bet we get a title before 2050, after all, if Northwestern can win at football there is no reason Rutgers can't as well.

 

[Upstream]

It depends on how ash recruits . The current players are not good enough to win a big ten title .

This.

So you figure that Ash would need at least 4 full recruiting classes (with 2017 being the first), so 2020 would be the earliest conceivable season. But everything would have to break right for Rutgers to win the B10 championship that year. At least we can target 2020 as the first year in which Rutgers could compete for the upper echelon of the Big Ten.

 

[RUJMM78]

2034

When Ohio State and Michigan are no longer in the B1G for starters.Look at other league teams like Purdue,Indiana ,Northwestern,Illinois,
Minnesota and Maryland which will have the same problems as Rutgers in competing and winning at a high level.

 

[derleider]

There's so many differing opinions on Ash, Flood, recruiting, what's acceptable, what isn't, where the program is heading etc. I want to get down to brass tax and see what fans on this board really expect when it comes to RU's progression so here it is...

What year do you believe Rutgers will win its first Big 10 football title? Not national champs, just this conference...

This is also not a "well I think we will every year"-bullcrap. be real about it.

And go!

Well its certainly not happening in the next four years (because we have to work around Flood's terrible recruiting) and likely it would be another 4-5 years after that before recruits from Ash's initial success (if he has it) would be developed into a top five level team.

But I'll say it right now. I dont think Chris Ash will ever win a title at Rutgers.

 

[NickKnight 1]

There's so many differing opinions on Ash, Flood, recruiting, what's acceptable, what isn't, where the program is heading etc. I want to get down to brass tax and see what fans on this board really expect when it comes to RU's progression so here it is...

What year do you believe Rutgers will win its first Big 10 football title? Not national champs, just this conference...

This is also not a "well I think we will every year"-bullcrap. be real about it.

And go!

In the year 2525, if man is still alive.

Zager and Evans 1969

 

[imbazza2]

Ash will need 4-5 years to turn around the physical and the mental aspect of the team
Blend in some upset wins to go along with routine wins over the "local" schools.
Put down another 4-5 years of middle of the pack play and 2025-30 is a realistic time frame.
Harbaugh will be gone Meyer & Mark D should retire by then.
Ash if he is still here should be a senior coach in the eastern division

 

[NickKnight 1]

Well its certainly not happening in the next four years (because we have to work around Flood's terrible recruiting) and likely it would be another 4-5 years after that before recruits from Ash's initial success (if he has it) would be developed into a top five level team.

But I'll say it right now. I don't think Chris Ash will ever win a title at Rutgers.

Let's see 4 yrs pus 4-5 more that 9 years, maybe we should have gone with
Schiano at least he gave us a four way tie for 3rd place in the Big East after 11 years.

 

[cicero grimes]

I have been holding out for this for 30+ years. I will try to hold on for another 30 but they better hurry up. I now know what Cubs fans feel like.

 

[ScarletStateofNJ]

. I want to get down to brass tax and see what fans on this board really expect when it comes to RU's progression so here it is...

It is "brass tacks", not "brass tax".

 

[AreYouNUTS]

In the Year 2525.


Seriously though it's a crap-shoot. I'm more concerned, for now, with New Year's Day Bowl games. Get us to Jacksonville, Orlando, Tampa, Miami, or Pasadena, first, then the rest should work itself out IMHO.

 

[derleider]

In the Year 2525.


Seriously though it's a crap-shoot. I'm more concerned, for now, with New Year's Day Bowl games. Get us to Jacksonville, Orlando, Tampa, Miami, or Pasadena, first, then the rest should work itself out IMHO.

Honestly - Im more interested in seeing if Ash is a good enough coach and developer of talent to get us back to a bowl in the next three years. If he cant do that, then he is done before he even gets going.

 

[cRURah]

Not a chance in my lifetime. Not much of chance in my children's lifetimes. Maybe ("so you're saying there's a chance") in my grandchildren's lifetimes.

 

[ScarletStateofNJ]

When do you see Rutgers having a season in which it has a better conference record than OSU, Michigan State, Michigan, and Penn State? That's is at least one assumption that you'd have to make for us getting the BiG Championship. I don't realistically see that happening in the foreseeable future. If it isn't foreseeable, then it isn't realistic.

I can realistically say there is little chance in hell that it happens in the next 4 years.

 

[Ataylor1989x]

I can realistically say there is little chance in hell that it happens in the next 4 years.

That's not really going out on a limb......literally no one other than Rutgersal would claim to expect that.

However, If Talent + coaching + culture improves every year, then eventually the program's success will reinforce itself. Once the program gets to a point where it can get half of the top NJ players it targets, that's a major milestone. Anyone insisting that it can't happen in their lifetimes is guilty of not understanding how paradigm shifts work.

 

[RUSONIC]

This 1st season under Ash will give you a good idea on moving up. If he can pull out 7 wins, maybe 8 we would have our best ever recruiting class ever.

 

[C0bra Kai]

2021. A couple years of winning and a couple years of improved recruiting. Programs have won titles with recruiting classes that are lesser than what Urban Meyer usually pulls in, and programs also fail to have a winning season with the same classes too, like Miami or Michigan.

If Ash can identify good talent and the staff can develop them, then we can be right there with MSU and Mich in a few short years. OSU can't stay as dominant as they currently are forever, their run will come to an end in time.

 

[beaced]

2030 and I won't be here to enjoy it.

Don't de commit on us please.:sunglasses:

 

[RUwoz]

If we get to the point where we finish in the top 3 of B1G east consistently then Ash will no longer be here, he'll get bigger and better offers and we'll reset

 

[demauroj]

Realistically.......

Within the next 15 Years

 

[AreYouNUTS]

This 1st season under Ash will give you a good idea on moving up. If he can pull out 7 wins, maybe 8 we would have our best ever recruiting class ever.

7 or 8 wins THIS year, against our schedule, losing by far our biggest weapon on O, by far our best OL, and all 3 starting LB's? Yup, best class ever, I agree!

 

[Nosoj]

Arizona fans are still waiting for their first PAC 12 title. How many BE titles did we win? You need some luck when you play in such a loaded division, not only do you have to be good, but you need to have a couple of the traditional powers have tough years. I would bet we get a title before 2050, after all, if Northwestern can win at football there is no reason Rutgers can't as well.

When Ohio State and Michigan are no longer in the B1G for starters.Look at other league teams like Purdue,Indiana ,Northwestern,Illinois,
Minnesota and Maryland which will have the same problems as Rutgers in competing and winning at a high level.

Just for reference. Last B1G football Title (total titles):

Illinois: 2001 (15)
Indiana: 1967 (2)
Iowa: 2004 (11)
Maryland: N/A (0)
Michigan: 2004 (42)
Michigan State: 2015 (9)
Minnesota: 1967 (18)
Nebraska: N/A (0)
Northwestern: 2000 (8)
Ohio State: 2014 (36*)
Penn State: 2008 (3)
Purdue: 2000 (8)
Rutgers: N/A (0)
Wisconsin: 2012 (14)

ETA: Interesting to me that of the current 14 members of the conference, 10 have not won a title in the past 11 seasons. 2005-2015: Ohio State (7*), Michigan State (3), Wisconsin (3), and Penn State (2). Split titles in 2005 (Ohio State and Penn State), 2008 (Ohio State and Penn State) and 2010 (Michigan State, Wisconsin and Ohio State*).


*Counting the 2010 title, because vacating wins and titles is stupid. If you don't want to count it, Ohio State is at 35.

 

[scottydont]

Well, I think it's gonna be a long, long time...

If it happens by 2025 I will be shocked but thrilled. As Nuts said, it will take a bit of luck...and probably a WTF game or two for a couple other teams along the way.

 

[RUScrew85]

If Ash can coach and recruit, and the administration spends some real money on the program and we get a couple of upset wins we can do it in 10 years.

Odds of this happening are less than 10% at this time.

Coach Ash is an unknown. As a coach or a recruiter.
Rutgers' administration is known to not support the program enough so that would have to change.
We're Rutgers. We don't get lucky and win games we should lose. We go the other way.

 

[demauroj]

If Ash can coach and recruit, and the administration spends some real money on the program and we get a couple of upset wins we can do it in 10 years.

Odds of this happening are less than 10% at this time.

Coach Ash is an unknown. As a coach or a recruiter.
Rutgers' administration is known to not support the program enough so that would have to change.
We're Rutgers. We don't get lucky and win games we should lose. We go the other way.

I can get behind this.

 

[lighty]

I don't see us compared to some like Purdue at all. Who is the Notre Dame of NJ? Penn State? Realistically, I see is as a middle of the pack school based solely on the recruiting region alone. Good coaching and football success could make that a top third spot.

Winning a title will always take luck unless we get to the point in which Rutgers can pay for a top 5 coach. That may or may not ever happen. I'm sure there are plenty who think the school would never pay that much. I disagree. I think success in the Big Ten just might lead to more investment towards programs in the Big Ten. I could be completely wrong, but I imagine the first New Years Day bowl we go to will give the school more exposure than any sporting event to date. And I think Trenton will take notice.

I would say if we are lucky, there could be a title in the next 15 years. This is based on having a strong recruiting ground that I think will start paying dividends, good coaching, and the possibility that one or two of the top three coaches may not be around for the full decade.

As for past successes, RU has struggled to win titles across the board so I never understand why people feel we should have won some in the Bog East. Things started to change for us with the right coach and there are few here that will doubt Schiano wouldn't have won a share of the title or the title outright in the year Flood ties for first with four others. That team was completely Schiano's work. It took bad coaching to lose the title outright IMO.

It can happen. And look at it this way, if the freakin fans don't believe we could ever win, how can we be upset when recruits feel that way?

 

[160louis]

10 to 15 years. But you never know with this stuff

 

[dollarbill]

I have no idea but wonder if it will before or after the Mens' Basketball team gets back to the Final Four. $$$

 

[RU2055]

Bowl game in 2016
New Year's Bowl by 2020
B1G Championship by 2025

 

[sct1111]

These days more than ever it seems like the rich get richer. Unfortunately we have 3 very rich programs in our division. It's going to be very tough.

I would like to see the programs goal to get to a new years bowl. I'd say that's realistic in ten years from now.

 

[LadyRU09]

I have no idea but wonder if it will before or after the Mens' Basketball team gets back to the Final Four. $$$

Nah, just the Big Dance itself.

 

[RUSONIC]

7 or 8 wins THIS year, against our schedule, losing by far our biggest weapon on O, by far our best OL, and all 3 starting LB's? Yup, best class ever, I agree!

Here are your 7 wins.
Washington
Howard
New Mexico
Illinois
Maryland
Indiana
Minnesota or Penn State home

Not crazy to say its possible to win 7. If we could pull this off we would have people forgeting about 2015 and gets us back on track. Which game is a no chance?

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Here are your 7 wins.
Washington
Howard
New Mexico
Illinois
Maryland
Indiana
Minnesota or Penn State home

Not crazy to say its possible to win 7. If we could pull this off we would have people forgeting about 2015 and gets us back on track. Which game is a no chance?

Washington - ripped Wazzou last year and one of most difficult road environments in the nation in our 1st game with new O.
New Mexico - you might want to take a look at what they did last year. A much, much better version of Army on O.
Maryland - possible
Howard - of course
Indiana - possible
Minny and PSU - we will likely be 7+ point dogs

....look for improvement and excitement this year. That's my motto. Not going to expect much "W/L"-wise.