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Recruiting or should I say lack of...true story

RUfan1979

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A few months ago I had the opportunity to interact with one of the top NJ basketball recruits along with both his mother and father. I will not reveal his name however I will tell you he currently plays for one of the powerhouse
schools that has won the state title and has sent its players to national championship universities.
As a junior, this player has already been recruited and has received offers from several top schools.
I asked him if he gave Rutgers consideration and he laughed and said "Rutgers stinks".
All my Rutgers passion then poured out and I gave him reasons why he should seriously consider Rutgers.
I explained to him that Rutgers played in the Big Ten which arguably is the best of the power conferences.
I told him that he could not do it himself, but if he were able to convince a few of his teammates to join him
they would be hero's turning a terrible program into a winner in their home state.
And the selling point was that his parents and friends could attend every home game as Rutgers is a short drive
away. At this point of the conversation his mother chimes in and tells her son to listen to me!
The thought of being able to see her son play at Rutgers was a major positive.
I asked his father if they would be willing to meet with Coach Jordan and give Rutgers a shot.
His Dad then told me things I couldn't believe.
He told me while many schools including Villanova, SHU, Syracuse, and many others have shown interest, Rutgers has never been seen. He gave me a list of upcoming AAU showcases and said Rutgers coaches MUST
attend. According to him, they have never been seen.
He then provides me with his personal cell number and says he will be more than happy to talk to Coach Jordan.
I wasn't sure how to proceed especially being a booster so I first emailed Julie Herman. I got no response.
I then decided to call Brian (BK) who can corroborate this story.
Brian told me he would approach Eddie and make him aware of these potential recruits.
Brian did and called me back the next day.
All I can say was that I was flabbergasted by his response.
Eddie told him they were aware of these players however due to coaching obligations they were not able
to actively recruit. They would try sometime in the future to do so.
When I read the article recently posted here about lack of recruiting I was not surprised.
Here was a family with one of NJ's top recruits who was willing to at least sit down and hear what Rutgers had to say. Eddie and his staff were too busy!
I thank Brian for reaching out to EJ.
It is sad other obligations took priority.
We need an energetic coach who can go out and actively recruit.
This current staff is not capable of getting it done.
 
A few months ago I had the opportunity to interact with one of the top NJ basketball recruits along with both his mother and father. I will not reveal his name however I will tell you he currently plays for one of the powerhouse
schools that has won the state title and has sent its players to national championship universities.
As a junior, this player has already been recruited and has received offers from several top schools.
I asked him if he gave Rutgers consideration and he laughed and said "Rutgers stinks".
All my Rutgers passion then poured out and I gave him reasons why he should seriously consider Rutgers.
I explained to him that Rutgers played in the Big Ten which arguably is the best of the power conferences.
I told him that he could not do it himself, but if he were able to convince a few of his teammates to join him
they would be hero's turning a terrible program into a winner in their home state.
And the selling point was that his parents and friends could attend every home game as Rutgers is a short drive
away. At this point of the conversation his mother chimes in and tells her son to listen to me!
The thought of being able to see her son play at Rutgers was a major positive.
I asked his father if they would be willing to meet with Coach Jordan and give Rutgers a shot.
His Dad then told me things I couldn't believe.
He told me while many schools including Villanova, SHU, Syracuse, and many others have shown interest, Rutgers has never been seen. He gave me a list of upcoming AAU showcases and said Rutgers coaches MUST
attend. According to him, they have never been seen.
He then provides me with his personal cell number and says he will be more than happy to talk to Coach Jordan.
I wasn't sure how to proceed especially being a booster so I first emailed Julie Herman. I got no response.
I then decided to call Brian (BK) who can corroborate this story.
Brian told me he would approach Eddie and make him aware of these potential recruits.
Brian did and called me back the next day.
All I can say was that I was flabbergasted by his response.
Eddie told him they were aware of these players however due to coaching obligations they were not able
to actively recruit. They would try sometime in the future to do so.
When I read the article recently posted here about lack of recruiting I was not surprised.
Here was a family with one of NJ's top recruits who was willing to at least sit down and hear what Rutgers had to say. Eddie and his staff were too busy!
I thank Brian for reaching out to EJ.
It is sad other obligations took priority.
We need an energetic coach who can go out and actively recruit.
This current staff is not capable of getting it done.

Wow

Eddie, please leave your keys on the desk and turn off the light on your way out.
Your program is a disgrace and embarrassment to RUTGERS.

If you love the school as you proclaim, negotiate a buyout and let someone else take over.

We appreciate you stepping in when it looked like we wouldn't even have enough players to field a team, but now it is time to step aside.

You have plenty of $$, and our fanbase has been hurting for 25 years.

We cannot take any more of this.
Please leave before there is no team or no fans left.

Thanks
 
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You realize that the conversation you outline is a NCAA infraction, right?

Imagine that NCAA investigation -

Investigator: "What's this you say? RUTGERS basketball is cheating?
Son, you've got to be kidding me. That team is so bad, they can't possibly be cheating. And if they were, I'd say they better do a better job of it. Now run along."
 
We will never hear the end of "rebounding drills" on this board until Eddie is gone!
 
We will never hear the end of "rebounding drills" on this board until Eddie is gone!

Hobbs needs to hear this story. A clear narrative is emerging that the staff, particularly el capo, has no interest in expending the necessary energy to recruit us out of the abyss. Coupled with the product on the floor (and the bench)...I'm losing patience.

I commit good $$$ with season tickets & donations and stories like this makes me feel like a fool.

Contrast with Kyle Flood: while I think he was under-qualified & needed to go, at least the man put in the effort and tried to reel in the big recruits. He was usually a bridesmaid, but few if any local studs were ignored by him.
 
Contrast with Kyle Flood: while I think he was under-qualified & needed to go, at least the man put in the effort and tried to reel in the big recruits. He was usually a bridesmaid, but few if any local studs were ignored by him.

I agree.

I said this in another thread, but coach Flood was a much better coach than Eddie.
Think about that for a second.
 
Enough said. I was an EJ supporter but this has me thinking. This whole program is a clown show. NCAA violation? What are they going to do take away scholarships, which we don't have recruits coming in next year and no NCAA tournament appearances, which we haven't seen in 25 years?
 
A few months ago I had the opportunity to interact with one of the top NJ basketball recruits along with both his mother and father. I will not reveal his name however I will tell you he currently plays for one of the powerhouse
schools that has won the state title and has sent its players to national championship universities.
As a junior, this player has already been recruited and has received offers from several top schools.
I asked him if he gave Rutgers consideration and he laughed and said "Rutgers stinks".
All my Rutgers passion then poured out and I gave him reasons why he should seriously consider Rutgers.
I explained to him that Rutgers played in the Big Ten which arguably is the best of the power conferences.
I told him that he could not do it himself, but if he were able to convince a few of his teammates to join him
they would be hero's turning a terrible program into a winner in their home state.
And the selling point was that his parents and friends could attend every home game as Rutgers is a short drive
away. At this point of the conversation his mother chimes in and tells her son to listen to me!
The thought of being able to see her son play at Rutgers was a major positive.
I asked his father if they would be willing to meet with Coach Jordan and give Rutgers a shot.
His Dad then told me things I couldn't believe.
He told me while many schools including Villanova, SHU, Syracuse, and many others have shown interest, Rutgers has never been seen. He gave me a list of upcoming AAU showcases and said Rutgers coaches MUST
attend. According to him, they have never been seen.
He then provides me with his personal cell number and says he will be more than happy to talk to Coach Jordan.
I wasn't sure how to proceed especially being a booster so I first emailed Julie Herman. I got no response.
I then decided to call Brian (BK) who can corroborate this story.
Brian told me he would approach Eddie and make him aware of these potential recruits.
Brian did and called me back the next day.
All I can say was that I was flabbergasted by his response.
Eddie told him they were aware of these players however due to coaching obligations they were not able
to actively recruit. They would try sometime in the future to do so.
When I read the article recently posted here about lack of recruiting I was not surprised.
Here was a family with one of NJ's top recruits who was willing to at least sit down and hear what Rutgers had to say. Eddie and his staff were too busy!
I thank Brian for reaching out to EJ.
It is sad other obligations took priority.
We need an energetic coach who can go out and actively recruit.
This current staff is not capable of getting it done.
If that was the case then Hobbs needs to look for a new coach. As much as I am rooting for EJ, you are a struggling program, you make the time.
 
If that was the case then Hobbs needs to look for a new coach. As much as I am rooting for EJ, you are a struggling program, you make the time.

Hey! I finally agree with 1 of your posts!
(No hard feelings)
 
You realize that the conversation you outline is a NCAA infraction, right?


So, you are telling me we may be cheating AND we have no recruits....LOL.

This is so bizarre that the NCAA wouldn't know what to do. Our sanctions may be that they GIVE us a few four star recruits.
 
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You realize that the conversation you outline is a NCAA infraction, right?

Your penalty is that you cannot attend any more games while EJ is the coach and you can no longer donate your hard earned money to the program. $$$$
 
The NCAA could give us the "irony penalty" - instead of taking away scholarships, give us even more. It's not like we can even fill the ones we already have...
 
The NCAA could give us the "irony penalty" - instead of taking away scholarships, give us even more. It's not like we can even fill the ones we already have...

Unfortunately the number of schollies is not our limiting factor.
 
if there are fans of a school that knows how to do things on the up and up...it's shoe...
 
I would say there has been a lack of attention to detail regarding recruiting and every other aspect of running a successful basketball program and that has been going on for decades.When nobody that matters cares the end result is a Rutgers mens basketball program that has no relevance in NJ or anywhere else .
 
Recruiting is lacking with this program. There are many top kids in the state in 2017 and 2018 that don't have a Rutgers offer. If I recall I read an article on zagsblog where seton hall offered all 5 of the fab 5 2018 kids from the sports u program but in the article the sports u president said Rutgers hadn't offered any of those 2018 kids. Roselle Catholic has a top 10 2018 kid on their roster and he doesn't have a Rutgers offer. Hell we may not get him at Rutgers but we have to show the kids in the state we are interested in them. 1 or 2 may be interested in staying home and we will never know because they haven't been offered. Kids that are high in the state but mid major nationally don't get many looks from our program. Kids aren't stupid these days and with all the social media presence they know they are your backup choice when you start recruiting them harder because you lost out on another kid.

I would love for this staff to have success because I do believe they want to win.
 
I would love for this staff to have success because I do believe they want to win.
I think everyone "wants" to win, but not all are willing to put in the effort. The impression I'm getting is that this staff isn't putting in the effort.
 
I think I just figured out why there are no names listed for RU's basketball recruiting class for 2016.
 
Wow. A very sad state of affairs indeed. Hopefully Hobbs can clean up this mess with someone better than Kevin Willard (who, I might add has kicked the stuffing out of Eddie the past 2 years).
 
He gets paid more than 1 million to coach this program. We are getting robbed
 
Recruiting is lacking with this program. There are many top kids in the state in 2017 and 2018 that don't have a Rutgers offer. If I recall I read an article on zagsblog where seton hall offered all 5 of the fab 5 2018 kids from the sports u program but in the article the sports u president said Rutgers hadn't offered any of those 2018 kids. Roselle Catholic has a top 10 2018 kid on their roster and he doesn't have a Rutgers offer. Hell we may not get him at Rutgers but we have to show the kids in the state we are interested in them. 1 or 2 may be interested in staying home and we will never know because they haven't been offered. Kids that are high in the state but mid major nationally don't get many looks from our program. Kids aren't stupid these days and with all the social media presence they know they are your backup choice when you start recruiting them harder because you lost out on another kid.

I would love for this staff to have success because I do believe they want to win.

There appears to be some misinformation going around or maybe Adam Zagoria did not do his homework.....see copy Tweet below.

Dave White ‏@Dave_White 15h15 hours ago

Good job countering the Zagoria article-Per @NJHoopsHaven, Andre Rafus, Isaiah Washington & Alex Robinson-all recruits @ the RAC. #rhoops
 
While it would be great if Rutgers offered those kids on the 15U Sports U team, my guess is that the staff is focused on 2016 with an eye on 2017.

I know that I posted here that Rutgers recently visited Blair Academy to check out some players there.

For those that do not know, schools are only allowed 130 recruiting-person days for evaluations and contacts combined between September 9, 2015 and April 24, 2016.

I know that sounds like a lot but I know of one program that has fewer than 40 days remaining right now. I do not know if Rutgers is in that type of situation.
 
There appears to be some misinformation going around or maybe Adam Zagoria did not do his homework.....see copy Tweet below.

Dave White ‏@Dave_White 15h15 hours ago

Good job countering the Zagoria article-Per @NJHoopsHaven, Andre Rafus, Isaiah Washington & Alex Robinson-all recruits @ the RAC. #rhoops

We knew about those offers. I was speaking to the kids at home. Rafus plays at RC but he is from Baltimore.
 
While it would be great if Rutgers offered those kids on the 15U Sports U team, my guess is that the staff is focused on 2016 with an eye on 2017.

I know that I posted here that Rutgers recently visited Blair Academy to check out some players there.

For those that do not know, schools are only allowed 130 recruiting-person days for evaluations and contacts combined between September 9, 2015 and April 24, 2016.

I know that sounds like a lot but I know of one program that has fewer than 40 days remaining right now. I do not know if Rutgers is in that type of situation.

I completely understand focusing on 16 and 17 classes. It was just an example of how we need to do more due diligence on our hometown kids. I did hear about the Blair visits and offers though. Yea I wonder how many days Rutgers actually has left.
 
I have always thought the strategy of recruiting NJ was a tad overrated.

At some point we have to understand our place in the college basketball world. People in NJ know what Rutgers isn't. How many HS kids really want to stay home at school. Recruiting DC or FL to me isn't a terrible idea.

Now we need to have some presence in NJ and return phone calls. Plus finding under the radar kids is easier to do locally as you can see them play often. You can't rely on tapes and AAU showcases to determine how hard a kid will play in a real game.

I think the biggest problem Eddie is having is not necessarily a talent problem he has an effort problem. In my eyes it is part his coaching style and part many players on his roster aren't max effort type guys. Kadeem Jack needed a coach that was going to hold him accountable possession by possession. He had that in Rice. On the flip side it didn't work for Gil Biruta and dane miller.
 
While it would be great if Rutgers offered those kids on the 15U Sports U team, my guess is that the staff is focused on 2016 with an eye on 2017.

I know that I posted here that Rutgers recently visited Blair Academy to check out some players there.

For those that do not know, schools are only allowed 130 recruiting-person days for evaluations and contacts combined between September 9, 2015 and April 24, 2016.

I know that sounds like a lot but I know of one program that has fewer than 40 days remaining right now. I do not know if Rutgers is in that type of situation.

Hey Russ, everyone knows me as Mr. Positive, the guy who is always going to support the current staff and players.

I have a quick question....Rutgers was generating some momentum on the recruiting trail this fall with the Parker commit and scheduled visits with Bashir Ahmad and D. Jenkins in September. The staff worked hard during the summer following some top players and set up official visits. Then, the negative press surrounding football hit the national news. In a matter of 1 month, the two visits were canceled and Parker decommitted. Do you think there was any connection ? My common sense tells me there had to be link, but, I could be wrong.
 
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Wow. A very sad state of affairs indeed. Hopefully Hobbs can clean up this mess with someone better than Kevin Willard (who, I might add has kicked the stuffing out of Eddie the past 2 years).
Turning around basketball is the real reason we hired Hobbs.

While the FB hire was important - the program can fend for itself - I mean even Flood made a go of having a decent team. Basically most of the 10 or so realistic names listed around here from Ash up to Schiano would do about the same thing in all likelihood (given that we arent pouring resources into the program for any of them.)

But BB needs money. Its needs just the right hire. It needs to get those facilities off the ground immediately. Its what Hobbs will ultimately be judged on.
 
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