I'm hearing Cincinnati for football. Schiano and Goodale need to seal the deal with Mullen.
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Football and wrestling do not mix in my opinion as football towers over wrestling in terms of time and commitment. See Rameel Meekins and Kyonte’s freshman year.
Didn’t the kid from Fresno State a few years ago earn AA status while also playing football? If you’re good at both and dedicated to both it can be done. I don’t know if Mullen has that work ethic or not, I’m sure he does but just a matter of staying mentally invested.
It is not the dedication that is the issue. You can be as dedicated as anything but if the football coach has you through to the end of the year, you are starting wrestling 2 months behind your competition. Big deficit regardless how good you are.
It’s entirely possible wrestling shifts to a second semester sport within a few years, isn’t it? I know that’s no certainty but a possibility.
Also, there have been examples to kids to be successful in both. Why not Mullen? Why not Kyonte?
If wrestling turns into a strictly spring sport that puts it in conflict with spring football practice. I also wonder how that shift would impact dual attendance.
They are just different sports in terms of physical preparation that once football is done it takes weeks to get in wrestling shape and then the season is over. Listen I would love it to work out but the odds are against it.
Go to Michigan for football or wrestling? If Sciano took him for football, that would diminish his wrestling potential much as we've seen with Hamilton. Casale better put on weight, lots of it instead of creating a logjam at 197.
Log jam at 197? With who? The reason we were after Beard is because we've got nothing at the weight class right now.
So let me understand your post.Weather is a big factor in wrestling recruiting? Here’s a list of the top 25 schools . Penn State, Iowa,Michigan,NC State, Ohio State, Wisconsin,Virginia tech, Missouri, Cornell, Nebraska,Arizona State, Oklahoma State,Rutgers ,Michigan State,Purdue,NorthernIowa,Penn,Minnesota,Northwestern, Central Michigan,Princeton, North Carolina,Oklahoma, South Dakota State.Do you see more than perhaps 5-6 with better overall weather than Rutgers? I believe you are taking the word of people who more than likely have never spent more than several days or weeks amongst in those states.Weather is not normally a topic in the college wrestling world.
Bob
That was my point also which you so much more eloquently put it. It may be for other sports but not wrestling
That was my point also which you so much more eloquently put it. It may be for other sports but not wrestling
I don’t disagree that weather can be a factor. Maybe not the biggest factor in a decision but if a wrestler is on the fence between rutgers and say Arizona St, one of them isn’t 25 degrees when it’s time to practice.
Rutgers has a ton of disadvantages that they can do nothing about. The 3 that come to mind quickly are:
-There’s no real storied history.
-The weather sucks.
-The campus is a city compared to a traditional college.
Places like Penn State have bad weather, but their prestige is much higher. Somewhere like Arizona State that doesn’t have a crazy history has better weather and a more traditional campus. The fact that Goodale has brought in some major recruits is pretty incredible, especially when you consider how bad this program was when he came in.
Rutgers has a ton of disadvantages that they can do nothing about. The 3 that come to mind quickly are:
-There’s no real storied history.
-The weather sucks.
-The campus is a city compared to a traditional college.
Places like Penn State have bad weather, but their prestige is much higher. Somewhere like Arizona State that doesn’t have a crazy history has better weather and a more traditional campus. The fact that Goodale has brought in some major recruits is pretty incredible, especially when you consider how bad this program was when he came in.
In a nutshell we will never ....NEVER ...be a Penn State, Iowa , Ohio State etc as far as wrestling is concerned ...we are too late to the game and no amount of money is gonna change that ...get over it ...relish in what we have become under Goody and if you can’t appreciate just that then maybe you should focus your whining on something else ...our campus and history is not conducive to many of your expectations of what top ranked recruits are looking for ...it’s a fact of life and it ain’t changing anytime soon ...
Well.. we came pretty close to beating Ohio st a couple times…
Let me agree and disagree with you.
I am a Scott Goodale fan. I believe he has done a good job and I also believe he should be allowed to remain until he wants to move on barring some crazy situation. He has earned that.
You have to be careful making a change in a program that is doing well but could absolutely do better (which I will get to) because there is no guarantee you will go forward with the next guy except in a few cases and those coaches aren’t coming here. The next guy could collapse the program in a blink. Think Syracuse football when they fired Pasqualoni. Nebraska with Solich. Both schools thought they could do better than the consistent winner that they had and neither has really recovered from those changes.
Scott has been here 15 years. This is it and it will be it for the remainder of his time and theres nothing wrong with it.
let get disagreeing with you. Rutgers could absolutely be Penn State or Iowa. If Cael or Brands came here and were given the tools they have those schools they would win like they do now. Rutgers has access to the same caliber of athlete as those coaches and those coaches would recruit them to come here and instill the culture they have at PSU and Iowa and they would develop the wrestlers in the same manner. That being said those coaches aren’t coming here obviously so you would have to take a chance on a coach that you think could be great but he could turn out to be Chris Ash and destroy what you have now.
Scotts biggest issue is wrestler development. He and his staff have not taken guys to another level here. Whether it’s making a good wrestler great or a great wrestler elite. But the wrestler development topic could be a thread in and of itself.
You’re pretty much on the money. My biggest factor for not choosing Rutgers was the campus. It was the only school I visited that didn’t have a definitive college campus feel. I don’t know how much it factors into todays kids. Back in the day the facilities weren’t much of a factor in recruiting because nobody had facilities like today.
So wait. Did anyone here legitimately think we would crown individual, national champions from Rutgers AND have consecutive, multi AA wrestlers and be ranked as a team for the last how many years? As far as PSU, they were not a juggernaut in the early 2000s. That changed once Cael came to town and they got their sugar daddy. So while it might be rare for it to happen anywhere, I wouldnt go as far as to say it will never happen here.
Well, I'd say check the roster but that hasn't been updated in a year. Casale is coming in and Messner just said Casale was told to go 197. Then there is a fellow named Soldano who will own 197 if he goes there. Remember Janzer? He hasn't much chance at 184 if Poz is there and healthy. If Soldano is able to make 184, then either Poz goes 197 or Soldano as I mentioned earlier. If Poz returns to 184 and returns to form, Soldano, Casale, and maybe Janzer compete for 197. Honestly, I think 184 and 197 will be owned by Poz and Soldano. Janzer will be backup and Casale redshirt, backup, or heavyweight. Surely you knew about those guys?
Beating them or coming close in a down year is one thing ...getting recruits like they do is another ...
Who said Soldano is going 197? He wrestled 190 and looked small for the weight class. It's been well documented Janzer couldn't hold weight to maintain 197 he tried but just shed it off. So your plan is on Poz moving up, haven't heard that news where did you get that.? Also we went after Beard for a reason and it wasn't to sit the bench. I'm sure you knew about all that though, didn't you.
No one said. I did not present a plan. I speculated, okay? Read again. You're so desperate to make issue.
No one is whining. This type of baseless reaction is why people here hate when you post.
I could care less what you think of my posts ...and yea a lot of you whine incessantly about the progress of the program ...your one of the biggest babies on the forum....ya don’t like what Goody is doin then get off your fat ass and pony up some cash and see if you can get Cael to come because that’s what it’s gonna take .
Another baseless response. I’m one of Goodales biggest supporters and overall positive people when it comes to the status of the program. You don’t read anything anyone says though and just assume it’s strictly negative.
Cael had the benefit of $5 million donation that funded him and a bunch of NCAA champion superstars to train with the kids he convinced to come on board. Give Goody that and see how we do? Not saying Cael is not a great coach but that sure helped accelerate the ascension
Hawkeye WC has just announced a fund raising drive to create a $15 million endowment for the club. Add the $$$ from annual fundraising events (which are many) to the potential interest income from the endowment and you see what we are competing against.
Ah man, If I had $10 mil. to burn they'd fvcking hate me from Iowa City to Crappy Valley. Because I'd tell them all who just bought all the good kids.
You seem very hung up on the weather comment. As I said, my son is going through the process right now and yes, for some kids climate is a factor in where they prefer to spend four years of their life. Maybe the kids and parents all lying to me, who knows. For sake of argument, ignore weather. The fact still remains that for a lot of NJ HS students their preference is not to stay in state for college, hence the importance to expand the recruiting geography.
Is your son playing a D1 sport? I think the preferences for these high level athletes are different than non-athletes. Playing close to home for high level athletes can be very compelling as many friends and family will come see them play. This is more valuable than being able to pop home to do laundry every once in a while for a normal student. Each kid is different of course but the program, playing time, and distance to home are the big drivers of where athletes end up.
Not at all … I like weather… but to use the excuse that weather is the reason for not getting a recruit was used by some for years. The mid west teams in several conferences have much worse weather than Rutgers in NJ. In Football weather is good normally from April through End of November… even December is not bad in many years. No …the parents don’t really know or perhaps they themselves went to a warm weather school ? You should have researched NJ weather vs other states. I have news for you friend about local weather it’s better than most other areas of the country in many ways. The weather was the excuse back when Rutgers was not in a conference like the B1G. Win a conference championship in the near future and those same parents will be extolling staying home. If your child likes warm weather that’s fine . If the child plays sports the indoor one’s don’t fit. The other sports like baseball / softball / T & F might be valid . Most parents don’t have a clue about Rutgers even in 2022. We are looked at as an inferior school and program though academically we are excellent and now a sports surge taking place . Explore this topic in 2030 and see how it goes.
~50,000 kids choose to go to Rutgers (including graduate students), regardless of weather. Countless kids dream of attending Ivy League schools in the northeast, regardless of weather. The schools are the attraction. Serious wrestlers, by and large, are attracted to serious wrestling programs, regardless of the weather. Become an attraction and they will come, regardless of the weather. Now start an honest discussion about how to do that without the why-we-can't excuses.
What makes you think the coaches don't recruit the country. We have kids on our team from California, Ohio, Virginia, PA, Iowa , Maryland and Indiana.
Of course they do. But there is a difference between not doing and improving. This is a Big10 program, the elite of elite in the sport, and it is an area of opportunity for growth.
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PHP — I talk to kids and parents going through the process all the time because of my own kids. I simply shared some of the reasons for choices they give as it would seem to be relevant to the conversation. The fact that there is so much rejection to that is flat out amazing. Everyone here knows better I suppose? Sure you do. And if you bothered to read my post beyond a single word, it was clearly about where I see opportunity, not excuses.
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