There is a difference of driving 70mph on the Turnpike and driving 70mph on a residential street. There is a difference of muttering something under your breath and shouting it out so that anybody nearby in a loud arena can hear it.
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Everyone who drives 70mph on a residential street will be pulled over if seen by a cop. By contrast, not a single poster here can remember ever seeing someone get T'd up for behavior like Simpson's. Your extension of my analogy is not applicable to this case at all.
Evidently, it is applicable because Simpson got the technical foul. Just know this, if you are screaming profanities on the court for whatever reason, you can and should be teched up. The posters on here quite frequently do not see anything 😎!
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NCAA Basketball Referees Instructed to Call More Unsporting Technical Fouls
GIL IMBER
JANUARY 28, 2012
Whack! Referee Ed Hightower issues an unsportsmanlike technical foul to Ohio State Buckeyes guard Emonte Jernigan during the 2003 NCAA TournamentJonathan Daniel/Getty Images
NCAA National Coordinator of Officials John Adams recently posted a memo on the NCAA Men's Basketball Central Hub at referee mega-site ArbiterSports, which serves as a mid-season point of emphasis, so to speak.
Adams, from his personal observations and discussions with regional advisers, concluded that "officials are reluctant to enforce Rule 10, Section 5," or the group of unsporting technical fouls informally known as the sportsmanship rules.
For a picture perfect example of an official correctly enforcing Rule 10, Section 5, watch the following video of Oklahoma State Cowboys guard Markel Brown receive his second technical and be ejected for taunting his opponent. Brown was issued his first technical for similar unsporting behavior.
Rule 10-5 contains a partial list of illegal unsportsmanlike acts, such as disrespectfully addressing or contacting an official, using profanity, taunting, inciting undesirable crowd reactions, flagrantly contacting an opponent while the ball is dead and fighting or leaving the playing court during a fight.
Adams mentions "minor unsporting indiscretions between opposing players," infractions of Rule 10-5 which are not called, but should be.
Adams instructs referees to "use preventative officiating...but also have very low tolerance for players who violate Article 1, especially when it comes to taunting, baiting, using profanity or threatening gestures towards opponents." Again, review the Markel Brown ejection for an example of what Adams is referring to and to see officials correctly enforce the rule as written.
Adams concludes that, "We are doing a poor job of enforcing Rule 10, Section 5, as written. I know your coordinators and commissioners will support you if you properly apply this rule."
Though it might not be popular with fans, officials must recall page one of the NCAA (and NFHS) rules book, which states, "Respect. It's the name of the game: Sportsmanship is a core value of the NCAA."
The high school version is similar: "To maintain the sound traditions of this sport, encourage sportsmanship ... each athlete is responsible for exercising caution and good sportsmanship."
The NFHS has also selected "Sporting Behavior" as its No. 1 point of emphasis for the 2011-12 basketball season and has seen at least one high-profile dunking-related ejection at the high school level.
In December, Justise Winslow of St. John's high school in Houston Texas was ejected after receiving two technical fouls for two separate unsportsmanlike acts following a massive dunk.
With that, Adams instructs all officials to pay close attention to Rule 10, Section 5 and to enforce the rule when the situation warrants such an enforcement or penalty.
"These types of actions call for Technical fouls. Call them!"
Gil Imber is Bleacher Report's Rules Featured Columnist and owner of Close Call Sports, a website dedicated to the objective and fair analysis of close or controversial calls in sports.
Okay, but it's still always a judgment call. The photo is from 21 years ago, the article from 12.
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NCAA Basketball Referees Instructed to Call More Unsporting Technical Fouls
GIL IMBER
Whack! Referee Ed Hightower issues an unsportsmanlike technical foul to Ohio State Buckeyes guard Emonte Jernigan during the 2003 NCAA TournamentJonathan Daniel/Getty Images
NCAA National Coordinator of Officials John Adams recently posted a memo on the NCAA Men's Basketball Central Hub at referee mega-site ArbiterSports, which serves as a mid-season point of emphasis, so to speak.
Adams, from his personal observations and discussions with regional advisers, concluded that "officials are reluctant to enforce Rule 10, Section 5," or the group of unsporting technical fouls informally known as the sportsmanship rules.
For a picture perfect example of an official correctly enforcing Rule 10, Section 5, watch the following video of Oklahoma State Cowboys guard Markel Brown receive his second technical and be ejected for taunting his opponent. Brown was issued his first technical for similar unsporting behavior.
Rule 10-5 contains a partial list of illegal unsportsmanlike acts, such as disrespectfully addressing or contacting an official, using profanity, taunting, inciting undesirable crowd reactions, flagrantly contacting an opponent while the ball is dead and fighting or leaving the playing court during a fight.
Adams mentions "minor unsporting indiscretions between opposing players," infractions of Rule 10-5 which are not called, but should be.
Adams instructs referees to "use preventative officiating...but also have very low tolerance for players who violate Article 1, especially when it comes to taunting, baiting, using profanity or threatening gestures towards opponents." Again, review the Markel Brown ejection for an example of what Adams is referring to and to see officials correctly enforce the rule as written.
Adams concludes that, "We are doing a poor job of enforcing Rule 10, Section 5, as written. I know your coordinators and commissioners will support you if you properly apply this rule."
Though it might not be popular with fans, officials must recall page one of the NCAA (and NFHS) rules book, which states, "Respect. It's the name of the game: Sportsmanship is a core value of the NCAA."
The high school version is similar: "To maintain the sound traditions of this sport, encourage sportsmanship ... each athlete is responsible for exercising caution and good sportsmanship."
The NFHS has also selected "Sporting Behavior" as its No. 1 point of emphasis for the 2011-12 basketball season and has seen at least one high-profile dunking-related ejection at the high school level.
In December, Justise Winslow of St. John's high school in Houston Texas was ejected after receiving two technical fouls for two separate unsportsmanlike acts following a massive dunk.
With that, Adams instructs all officials to pay close attention to Rule 10, Section 5 and to enforce the rule when the situation warrants such an enforcement or penalty.
"These types of actions call for Technical fouls. Call them!"
Gil Imber is Bleacher Report's Rules Featured Columnist and owner of Close Call Sports, a website dedicated to the objective and fair analysis of close or controversial calls in sports.
You don't seem to be following because this response "Evidently, it is applicable because Simpson got the technical foul." doesn't make any sense. You can get pulled over for doing 70 on the turnpike too. Someone probably has before, or at least had that used as a pretext for getting pulled over. It's still bullshit. Your response is essentially "it's not bullshit and the evidence for that is.. you got pulled over."
There were several call that went against us at end game:
1) The T on DS;
2) The out of bounds review that incorrectly went to MD;
3) The no-call plow-through of Mag;
4) The late call against Cliff from an off-position ref.
1) The T on DS;
2) The out of bounds review that incorrectly went to MD;
3) The no-call plow-through of Mag;
4) The late call against Cliff from an off-position ref.
Say the magic word/words and there is no need for judgment at all. In matters like this, it is all cut & dry.
It's unknowable before the fact because they aren't applied in a consistent manner. That's the entire point.
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What? This is a discussion of college basketball officiating, not vague self help nonsense.
Your comment about “never ever make that call with minutes left in the game” is just plain wrong. Officiating needs to be consistent. The time when something happens is immaterial. If a charge was called on a play in the first half, it should be called with one second left.
RU a significant underdog pulling away.
2 to 3 minutes left in the game and you called a technical that nobody on the board has ever seen called before. Sorry that’s awful timing. Ref inserted self into game.
If don’t think timing is suspect from that ref than I have a bridge to sell you…
Could have and should be a warning.
2 to 3 minutes left in the game and you called a technical that nobody on the board has ever seen called before. Sorry that’s awful timing. Ref inserted self into game.
If don’t think timing is suspect from that ref than I have a bridge to sell you…
Could have and should be a warning.
Thought they should have been called for some more fouls. Every ref apologist always says we get more fouls because we're so aggressive on D. Well Maryland was even more aggressive and somehow came away with much fewer fouls until they had to foul at the end. It just didn't make sense, they didn't drive the ball to the hoop any more than we did either.
Is this supposed to somehow undermine my point??? It doesn’t. I noted that rule 10–5 contains both provisions for players taunting fans and fans taunting players. None of us have ever seen either enforced. Look at what you posted:
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NCAA Basketball Referees Instructed to Call More Unsporting Technical Fouls
GIL IMBER
Whack! Referee Ed Hightower issues an unsportsmanlike technical foul to Ohio State Buckeyes guard Emonte Jernigan during the 2003 NCAA TournamentJonathan Daniel/Getty Images
NCAA National Coordinator of Officials John Adams recently posted a memo on the NCAA Men's Basketball Central Hub at referee mega-site ArbiterSports, which serves as a mid-season point of emphasis, so to speak.
Adams, from his personal observations and discussions with regional advisers, concluded that "officials are reluctant to enforce Rule 10, Section 5," or the group of unsporting technical fouls informally known as the sportsmanship rules.
For a picture perfect example of an official correctly enforcing Rule 10, Section 5, watch the following video of Oklahoma State Cowboys guard Markel Brown receive his second technical and be ejected for taunting his opponent. Brown was issued his first technical for similar unsporting behavior.
Rule 10-5 contains a partial list of illegal unsportsmanlike acts, such as disrespectfully addressing or contacting an official, using profanity, taunting, inciting undesirable crowd reactions, flagrantly contacting an opponent while the ball is dead and fighting or leaving the playing court during a fight.
Adams mentions "minor unsporting indiscretions between opposing players," infractions of Rule 10-5 which are not called, but should be.
Adams instructs referees to "use preventative officiating...but also have very low tolerance for players who violate Article 1, especially when it comes to taunting, baiting, using profanity or threatening gestures towards opponents." Again, review the Markel Brown ejection for an example of what Adams is referring to and to see officials correctly enforce the rule as written.
Adams concludes that, "We are doing a poor job of enforcing Rule 10, Section 5, as written. I know your coordinators and commissioners will support you if you properly apply this rule."
Though it might not be popular with fans, officials must recall page one of the NCAA (and NFHS) rules book, which states, "Respect. It's the name of the game: Sportsmanship is a core value of the NCAA."
The high school version is similar: "To maintain the sound traditions of this sport, encourage sportsmanship ... each athlete is responsible for exercising caution and good sportsmanship."
The NFHS has also selected "Sporting Behavior" as its No. 1 point of emphasis for the 2011-12 basketball season and has seen at least one high-profile dunking-related ejection at the high school level.
In December, Justise Winslow of St. John's high school in Houston Texas was ejected after receiving two technical fouls for two separate unsportsmanlike acts following a massive dunk.
With that, Adams instructs all officials to pay close attention to Rule 10, Section 5 and to enforce the rule when the situation warrants such an enforcement or penalty.
"These types of actions call for Technical fouls. Call them!"
Gil Imber is Bleacher Report's Rules Featured Columnist and owner of Close Call Sports, a website dedicated to the objective and fair analysis of close or controversial calls in sports.
“Adams instructs referees to ‘use preventative officiating...but also have very low tolerance for players who violate Article 1, especially when it comes to taunting, baiting, using profanity or threatening gestures towards OPPONENTS.’” (Emphasis added.)
First, it is plainly stated that the renewed “very low tolerance“ standard is “towards opponents.” Second, officials are to use“preventative officiating.” Since this was not the “low tolerance” fact pattern, and “preventive officiating“ is generally emphasized, this article magnifies my point that assessing a technical without a warning for unsportsmanlike conduct towards a fan was a profound misuse of the official’s discretion.
Not saying it played a role in this game, but what are the NCAA rules on officials betting on games.??
They are obviously concerned about underage gambling, but what about refs who can certainly impact the results of any game.
They are obviously concerned about underage gambling, but what about refs who can certainly impact the results of any game.
Hardly. Magic words are used in every sport. If not directed at opposition or refs calls for a warning. Ref should never ever insert self in outcome. This ref did.
Also hearing Maryland fans were pretty rough on RU. All the more reason Ref should have used discretion. 2+ minutes left even more ridiculous. Ref have Maryland? Doesn’t look good. Shame on ref.
And if such a good call, how come nobody can come up with a similar call ever? Pretty damning. Hope that’s not offensive.
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whether the T was justified or not I am more upset that that same ref made a bad call on the ball out of bounds that was reviewed. It was clearly off the Maryland player; he missed the call in live action. Then they failed to correct it. Did they see all the views we did? One was absolutely clear that it was off Maryland.
I was amazed at Ru fans who said off RU hip. Never saw that at all and ball never changed direction.
Again, no in-game warning is necessary. The code of conduct is the warning. The ref's call on Simpson was absolutely the correct call.
Apreciate the fact that you are taking an absolutist view of how the rules should be applied. However in your "by the book" position....for any profanity spoken on the court by any player, coach, etc.....the game should be stopped and a T should be given....it should not be selective or situational. Of course, given the sheer and increasing amount of profanity expressed in society these days..... that would likely lead to an unwatchable product for a majority of the fans.
Back in the real world where we're not trying equate major revenue sports entertainment with 6th grade CYO code of conduct......fans are looking for refs to mete out fouls and decisions in a fair way to create an even competition (or at least the illusion of it) given the situation.
Simply put....if Simpson was the only one to be heard by refs using a profanity and/or inciting the crowd.....then ther should be no debate. However, refs do not T up others for doing the same....then potential debate on selectivity or bias certainly is fair game.
And do so on the heels of what should have been the decisive scoring run. Thank goodness we were able to hold on after the ref brought Maryland back into the game.
GTFOH with all that self-honesty about cursing crap. WTF? I mean, FFS man, get a grip and be hypocritical like the rest of us!
Those Fing refs, their delicate Fing ears can’t Fing take it, the Fing Fs.
Wreck a game with bullshit calls? F it; they don’t GAF.
F!
Sorry for taking so long to respond. I wanted to give myself time to calm down before posting. 🙂
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