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Not sure if this is old news, but Poly Prep duo Elias Reynolds and Justin Morgan are planning on taking additional OV's.

Reynolds has already visited Nebraska and is interested in visiting Maryland, plus a few other schools.

Morgan has already visited Pitt and is talking with South Carolina, and feels there could also be other schools he might want to check out.

As of now, both still feel the same towards RU as when they committed and are doing the additional visit thing simply to confirm they made the right choice. (Hey, if they're gonna do it, better they do it now than at the last second in the recruiting cycle.)

Anyway, I didn't see this posted on the free board, (though clearly I missed it if it was), and didn't want anyone to be blindsided if anything comes of the other OV's. -Also, this is not, (repeat NOT), premium info. and is from a free source.
 
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It's been discussed in some threads here. Seems kind of strange, like that they committed to save a seat
 
I am already on record as not liking this kind of behavior. I think you either make up your mind and that is that or wait until you have made all of your visits before making a commitment. As for us being their "safe school", I tend to agree.
 
Don't they have senior seasons to play?
Most kids today like to have the recruiting process behind them so they can concentrate of their final year of high school.
 
Pretty disrespectful and stuff like this really makes it look like they commit just to save a spot. I know this happens all over but I think it's BS.
 
ABR. always be recruiting. If the staff finds a similar or better replacement, sorry gentlemen. You take other visits, your spots are are open.

That said, you keep recruiting them until that happens.
 
If I'm correct, didn't Schiano tell recruits to take their ov (before committing, I believe) to make sure they were making the right choice.
 
No, sorry I don't agree about "keep recruiting them" they chose to commit, if there was any confusion, then they should have taken the visits prior to committing! Simple logic, for any honorable person. You want to take visits this late in the game, thank you but no thank you, next!
 
I DONT KNOW ABOUT YOU BUT IM TIRED OF 16 AND 17 YR OLDS HOLDING ALL THE CARDS IN THEIR HAND CUT THEM LOOSE AND BRING IN REAL RU MEN... DOESNT MAKE A DIFFERENCE HOW MANY STARS THEY HAVE AS LONG AS THEY HAVE HEART.
 
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At least Flood has experience in this department and knows to continue to recruit their position. Luckily for us, we're in the B1G now. We can replace guys if they de-commit. The Morgan kid looks really big. i don't want to lose him. Once again, this just proves that Flood and Co find some underrated talent in NY.
 
they do hold all the cards, most other teams allow it as well if the commit is wanted, I think Flood is playing it the best he can, given the current playing field in recruiting, but something for the recruits to think about, its a slippery slope that leans in both directions, be careful....if a position has limited slots and a better player wants to commit, you just might find yourself scurrying
 
It's BS that recruits are allowed to visit other schools once they commit.
But unless you're a top program you lose more then you gain by not allowing it.
Best think RU can do is keep recruiting their positions and withdraw offer if better talent
decides to commit.

The Alabama's, Ohio State 's and other top programs can tell kids if they visit the offer is withdrawn and replace those kids with comparable talent.
Programs on the rise might not be able to get comparable talent as easily and have to put up with kids looking for something better and using schools like RU as a safety school even after committing .
I don't begrudge recruits using all their OVs, but think they should have used all before committing.
 
There is really no difference from anyone who comes looking for a job, gets it and then decides to continue to look for another "better" job. Few employers want to take the time and effort of hiring someone just to see them leave at their earliest convenience. Not a perfect analogy, but these kids need to learn that important decisions should be made carefully and after due consideration.
 
It's more the system then th kids?
If they don't commit Rutgers likely pulls offer due to limited spots. Official visits are it allowed yet.

NCAA needs to fix the allowed timeline on taking official visits to better align with recruiting.
 
MADHAT1 said:
It's BS that recruits are allowed to visit other schools once they commit.
But unless you're a top program you lose more then you gain by not allowing it.
Best think RU can do is keep recruiting their positions and withdraw offer if better talent
decides to commit.

The Alabama's, Ohio State 's and other top programs can tell kids if they visit the offer is withdrawn and replace those kids with comparable talent.
Programs on the rise might not be able to get comparable talent as easily and have to put up with kids looking for something better and using schools like RU as a safety school even after committing .
I don't begrudge recruits using all their OVs, but think they should have used all before committing.
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Kind of makes you wonder what sort of homes they're from, what sort of parental guidance they're getting/lacking, what kind of character issues all this hints at, and whether they are suited for the program. Bottomline: don't commit if you are not committed. Once you are committed, your character is on the line. Retreat from that commitment, and you have forfeited your character. Once you've done that, you're gone.
 
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In today's day and age, you can't hard line recruits. It doesn't matter what program you are.

Not trying to turn this into a PSU thread, but that's what I know.

Lavert Hill has been flirting with Michigan and MSU for the last few months but has yet to flip. PSU would be doing themselves a disservice by cutting him IMO. If they hang on to him it will be a big deal.

Miles Sanders has been at PITT since recruiting to PSU and said he would take his officials when he did commit. He is a R100 RB. It does PSU no good to hardline him.

Shane Simmons said the same thing. He has yet to take visits but could. He is a R100 and an ESPN 5*.

Until CFB comes up with an early signing period, this is what we should expect it. Do I like it? No. I absolutely loved that Seymour stuck with you last year after being courted by Penn State. Says a lot about the kid IMO.

I don't get caught up with it with PSU kids any longer because I think that letting them play things out is better than going the Brady Hoke route. If a kid doesn't stick (Fuller, Barajas, Wimbush) then so be it.
 
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I have to agree that this argument of "Well, they just want to make sure they made the right choice" is a bunch of BS. No, I'm sorry, if you don't already know that a given school is the right choice, then you have no business whatsoever committing to them. What part of commit don't these kids understand? Maybe they failed English class.

Commit: [kuh-mit] Verb
to bind or obligate, as by pledge or assurance

What kids like this are saying is we'll come play at the school we've "committed" to if, and only if, we don't find someplace else we like better.
 
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RUinPinehurst said:
Kind of makes you wonder what sort of homes they're from, what sort of parental guidance they're getting/lacking, what kind of character issues all this hints at, and whether they are suited for the program. Bottomline: don't commit if you are not committed. Once you are committed, your character is on the line. Retreat from that commitment, and you have forfeited your character. Once you've done that, you're gone.
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I will start questioning the character or recruits when you start question the charachter of the coaches who can pull a scholarship offer at anytime. It easy for us to judge but we are not the ones gambling with a free education. Some kids are one injury away from not getting a free education. Until scholarship offer is non revocable I see no problem with a kid committing to hold a spot. These kids get lied to non stop by coaches. They are constantly being told you are our guy. We want you then all the sudden the calls stop and they won't even return your calls. Both sides are playing games. So it best the player looks out for their future. You like to judge 17 or 18 years kids but I bet you broken more then your fair share of commitments. Have you ever left a job or broke up with a girl friend? Did you forfeit your character then?

The bottom line is the system is broken and until it get fixed I don't blame either side for playing games.
 
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I don't really blame the kids too much. In this day and age, unless you're a top notch recruit, you could lose out on a spot if you don't commit early. It's not like coaches are going to wait another five months and hold a spot for a kid to make up his mind.
 
I think one of the mods said it best when they said something like 'this is the new normal in recruiting'. I can appreciate both sides of the process but cannot stomach 'placeholder commitments'...I do remember 2013 though and know that for the majority of schools, this is reality and we need to tread carefully, but it makes me appreciate the guys like Kamaal Seymour and John Pollock that much more. I also kind of chuckle that when the shoe is on the other foot the school gets put on blast (and rightfully so), but when it's the players it's 'just part of the process'...


Joe P.
 
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JoeRU0304 said:
I think one of the mods said it best when they said something like 'this is the new normal in recruiting'.
Joe P.
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Yep, the new normal. Coaches make non-committable offers, players make non-committal commitments. It's all about leverage and who has it. For a couple of reasons (IMO most notably the perceived need to build the HS relationship/pipeline) in this particular instance the two players have it. Let them use it and let the chips fall where they may.
 
Pulling their ships before having suitable talent is a reactionary move, potentially detrimental to the program.

Keep recruiting them while recruiting other people for their spots. Only then do you pull their offers.
 
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I will start questioning the character or recruits when you start question the charachter of the coaches who can pull a scholarship offer at anytime. It easy for us to judge but we are not the ones gambling with a free education. Some kids are one injury away from not getting a free education. Until scholarship offer is non revocable I see no problem with a kid committing to hold a spot. These kids get lied to non stop by coaches. They are constantly being told you are our guy. We want you then all the sudden the calls stop and they won't even return your calls. Both sides are playing games. So it best the player looks out for their future. You like to judge 17 or 18 years kids but I bet you broken more then your fair share of commitments. Have you ever left a job or broke up with a girl friend? Did you forfeit your character then?

The bottom line is the system is broken and until it get fixed I don't blame either side for playing games.
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You are absolutely right. Works both ways.
Character is character, on a personal or program level. Either you have it or you don't, or you pretend. That said, a 16-17 year old behaving like that, well, it's not exactly a foundation to pattern his life on. Slippery slope.
 
RRRRUUUU said:
It's been discussed in some threads here. Seems kind of strange, like that they committed to save a seat
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It's called a reservation....anybody can take a reservation....but the key part is the HOLDING the reservation.



NOTE: Smart Coaches always say to commits who continue to keep their recruiting open: "You shop, we shop."
 
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KnightsofChrome said:
No, sorry I don't agree about "keep recruiting them" they chose to commit, if there was any confusion, then they should have taken the visits prior to committing! Simple logic, for any honorable person. You want to take visits this late in the game, thank you but no thank you, next!
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absolutely keep recruiting them. You can't just give up on every commit who talks to another coach, you'll have a class of 5 kids.
 
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Todderick just put up an article. These are the type of kids that would jump ship after our first loss. They seem really indecisive. I mean, hurry up and take all your visits so you can end your recruitment. What are you gonna keep it open until January and if a school whose colors you like has a spot that opens you're gonna jump ship?
 
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Todderick just put up an article. These are the type of kids that would jump ship after our first loss.
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Read the article and disagree. First of all, their teammate until this year, Chris Parker, is an RU walk on. I'm sure he will have some influence. Beyond that, I'd say these kids would jump after a 3-9 season with inevitable turmoil in the coaching staff. A bowl game? Then these kids aren't going anywhere.
 
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Read the article and disagree. First of all, their teammate until this year, Chris Parker, is an RU walk on. I'm sure he will have some influence. Beyond that, I'd say these kids would jump after a 3-9 season with inevitable turmoil in the coaching staff. A bowl game? Then these kids aren't going anywhere.
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Just the quote about if something better comes along rubbed me completely the wrong way
 
Oregon lost it's #1 commit yesterday. Talented Cali WR is now considering USC. Ducks thought the kid was a lock and was a major recruiter of other members of the '16 class.Yes, the new normal.
 
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