Lol you are clueless if you think that
RU Faculty oppose Amy Towers nomination to BOG :
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Lol you are clueless if you think that
Then would you like to offer a guess as to why that writer and publication made it sound they speak for the faculty?
It took you two short sentences to explain further and provide balance. That's what professional journalists should be doing. Asking questions (at least the obvious ones) about the facts they reveal and then providing the answers.
terrible analogy. Police chiefs overwhelmingly take the same position. And I'm throwing a flag on the play for improper political analogy. Fifteen yards and loss of down!
I've met only a few faculty members of whom I would say that is true. Almost everyone in a STEM field, for instance, could be making a hell of a lot more money elsewhere.
The story is not the problem. It makes clear that the opposition is coming from an official of the union. The problem is that the headline writer decided not to add "union" after "faculty." I'll forgive that because there is limited space for headlines.
Really? Are you saying law professors work part time?
Partners in most law firms probably make at least twice what a law professor is paid, and that is a conservative estimate.
Yes, but they work 5 times the hours. My attorney is $1000+ hr but he works like a dog.
Lot of silliness here. First, as was mentioned above, it's not the faculty opposing Towers, it's the leaders of the faculty union, both of whom are far lefties. Many of the faculty are not in the union, and the ones who by and large don't care about. The activists get elected because they are the only ones willing to run for the positions.
As to faculty making it outside of academe, while there are some fields that don't translate well to the business world, that isn't to say that the people in them, had they chosen other careers, would not have done well. They just chose a career whose rewards are not primarily monetary.
Being a professor at a major research university is just one of the best jobs imaginable. I wouldn't trade it for a second, and I've been doing it for 42 years now. I've been asked to leave academe for big bucks with companies on several occasions, and ran a highly successful small business on the side for a while. Just never really attracted me.
As a prof, I get to study what I want, work on what I want, get to work with brilliant people who are making huge contributions to society and knowledge in general, and have a flock of former grad students who think of me as a second father. And the money isn't horrible. Taught at RU for 29 years, and now in New Zealand for the past 13. I have a spectacular house on 38 acres overlooking the South Pacific. Could I have made a lot more money? Sure. But at what cost? I'm in the middle of a one year sabbatical right now working on a book about bad people who were great artists.
Short of being the head coach of the NY Giants, this is the best job I could hope for. And the majority of the RU faculty really don't care who is on the BOG. Hell, my Moms Skillethead used to be on the BOT!
As to faculty making it outside of academe, while there are some fields that don't translate well to the business world, that isn't to say that the people in them, had they chosen other careers, would not have done well. They just chose a career whose rewards are not primarily monetary.
Being a professor at a major research university is just one of the best jobs imaginable. I wouldn't trade it for a second, and I've been doing it for 42 years now. I've been asked to leave academe for big bucks with companies on several occasions, and ran a highly successful small business on the side for a while. Just never really attracted me.
As a prof, I get to study what I want, work on what I want, get to work with brilliant people who are making huge contributions to society and knowledge in general, and have a flock of former grad students who think of me as a second father. And the money isn't horrible. Taught at RU for 29 years, and now in New Zealand for the past 13. I have a spectacular house on 38 acres overlooking the South Pacific. Could I have made a lot more money? Sure. But at what cost? I'm in the middle of a one year sabbatical right now working on a book about bad people who were great artists.
Short of being the head coach of the NY Giants, this is the best job I could hope for. And the majority of the RU faculty really don't care who is on the BOG. Hell, my Moms Skillethead used to be on the BOT!
Don't know if Dr. Ebright of the Waksman Institute is part of the union or not, but he has made his position clear (and pretty harsh):
As at nearly every college or university, private or public, certain faculty have a very inflated sense of their role in running the college. You think the Harvard Coporartion says "Oh, we can't have wealthy folks on the board, the profs might not like it."
Add the overlay of a faculty union, which is very rare generally, particularly at AAU schools, and this is a lot of silliness.
Our governors have appointed far worse in the past.
Add the overlay of a faculty union, which is very rare generally, particularly at AAU schools, and this is a lot of silliness.
Our governors have appointed far worse in the past.
There is a piece in today's Wall Street Journal's weekend edition on this subject. My wife and I were just talking about it. There are *many* people for you to discuss in your book!!
I thought saying that would be self-serving. I think that most of my colleagues would be terrific lawyers (and some have been), but I wouldn't say that as to all. Someone once commented that the function of law school faculties is to keep out of harm's way people who are brilliant but might not be so good conducting the serious business of the world. I should add that a good law professor works *very* hard; combining publishing, teaching, and service, is not easy.
Seven figures is $1,000,000. Are you saying some RU professors are making $1,000,000 per year. That is amazing. Can you cite some specific examples ?
That seems terribly unfair. Can you provide some examples, because I have never seen these reports ?
Hey Camden,
Thanks for the post! Edit here: I found the piece and was able to access it. It basically hits the high notes of the issue and includes two artists I'm using in the book: Caravaggio and Schiele. And fortunately, it doesn't hit on my thesis on why we love art by bad people!
I'm actually conducting an experiment on it right now. I might post a link if people would be interested in being a participant. Would be pretty far off topic, though, so I'm not sure. But I really want people who are not art experts as participants. I'm guessing there are a few on the board!
Best,
Skillet
Hope that retirement is treating you well. I'm practicing for it by being on sabbatical right now!
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I'd be glad to answer, and my guess is that others here would be happy to help. BTW, retirement really is quite different from a sabbatical. One is expected to be productive during a sabbatical, but that doesn't apply to a retiree. But it's good practice for retirement to have the lack of structure (and, often, the ability to travel) that comes with having a sabbatical. Good luck with your project.
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Here's a data base. As you can see, there is a professor in the medical school who actually makes more than either Pikiell or Ash. But there aren't many at the $1 million mark. https://php.app.com/agent/rutgersemployees/search
I know what you mean. I am an Independent and have voted for the person I feel can do the best job, regardless of party. I come from a long line of RU grads and my son graduated in 2013. Even he was a little upset at how people were treated if they did not agree with Far Left. If you were a Conservative, Independent, middle of the road Right or Left you were definitely NOT WELCOME. This "In Your Face' approach and peer pressure I guess is the norm these days. Fortunately, he kept his month shut and did not get involved. But I am having second thoughts about having my grand kids consider RU as an option. I guess time will tell.
This level of ignorance from someone who is supposed to be an "educator" proves the exact point I have been trying to make in this thread. 90% of people in academia are useless outside of the echo chambers they exist in.
Oh...and what a shock, the professor is a huge leftist to boot.
Have you seen the fee structure of a hedge fund? Fund is up, they make a killing. Fund is down, they still make a killing. Half of the fancy restaurants in NYC would go under if you take away the Corp accounts.
maybe if hes a socialist lefty he will donate his salary to the RU build fund?
Doubtful..
It’s not about being “smart enough” to be a professor. It’s not always what you learn or teach in a school; it’s what you learn after school and developing the skills to implement that knowledge. That’s the real world.
Good point. Sometimes the "smartest" people in academics are the ones lacking the most common sense in the real world.
I think you are talking about sales jobs. Can’t BS technical stuff. You are either smart enough to not.
The towers’ had a big pool party with a rap artist for the football team at their house right?
Seems like a cool family! Let her on the BOG
Seems like a cool family! Let her on the BOG
Many get very generous benefits like 401k contributions, etc. Increase their stated salaries by quite a bit.
BTW, the profs should be able to make whatever they can get, I am just saying something has to give. Operating costs are too high and need to come down. They have been able to pass these costs off to consumers but that has ended. Most schools giving away more money than ever and are getting less per student. Enrollments are down as well. bad combo.
Schools with huge endowments like Harvard are basically immune to this but there are not many schools in that position.
Now I understand the issue. They should’ve invited the faculty. No one likes being left out of a cool party.
It would be ludicrous not to bring her on board. Notwithstanding the political appointment and the inclination to find football Initiatives, Amy Tower is more than qualified!
She would bring a fresh dose of strategic planning that would not only benefit the football program but the University as a whole. She understands the Big Ten and I’m sure she would play a key role in aspiring to be like the Michigans, Wisconsins and Northwesterns of the world.
Where is the downside?
She would bring a fresh dose of strategic planning that would not only benefit the football program but the University as a whole. She understands the Big Ten and I’m sure she would play a key role in aspiring to be like the Michigans, Wisconsins and Northwesterns of the world.
Where is the downside?
What a clueless comment. 95% of what I know is what I learned before and after college (on the job). I have managed 100’s of staff members (in the business world), and the ones that succeed are the ones that can learn on the job, can communicate and have a great work ethic; not necessarily the ones that are “smart enough” to be a professor.
I think that table only indicates the compensation that is funneled through Rutgers. It likely includes research and consulting fees funded by private industry. But in addition to that, many faculty (at least at other universities, if not Rutgers) also have research or consulting contracts in which they are paid directly.
Ironically, for those who claim college faculty can't make it in the real world, companies like mine pay college faculty big bucks specifically for their real world expertise.
Most funds have a flat management fee around 2% of the funds AUM. They then have an incentive fee of a certain percentage of the funds unrealized and realized gains. These fees are subject to a high water mark so when a find is down they do not collect this fee
I don’t think you understood my comment. Of course you learn on the job. What a college degree and your grades tell an employer is if you are smart enough to learn and do the job. Would you hire an English major to do pharmaceutical research? Don’t be so defensive. Nothing wrong with sales. That’s 80% of my job. During my last interview, I told the candidate that you don’t have to be smart to sell. But what you sell depends on how smart you are.
