RU v Lock Haven match thread
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The guys sitting are McKee and McKenna and it’s a tournament they r in. If it were a dual they would be there.
IMAR wrestling tonight vs Iowa who by the way look HORRIBLE. They got swept their first 3 matches. And then their best 2 Sorensen and Kemmerer were sleepwalking. Both won by decision. 9-6 Illinois at the break with IMAR about to smash someone
If we beat Iowa in a week all will be forgiven.
I would agree with this in principle, and I raised the possibility that this would be the case in the other thread.
What I am going off of is that he traveled with the team and someone posted that he weighed in and missed weight - and not just by a little. While the scenario you bring up above is fine, if what was posted happened, it is complete BS. 2nd time missing weight. Basically an effort issue - which then pretty much sucks the air out of your team. If you say you are going to wrestle, and then your coach and team are counting on you - then wrestle. Who cares if its just a dual. It's the attitude.
BTW, Illinois won the first 3 weights against Iowa and guess what. IMAR - who also wrestled U23s and wasn't expected to go tonight - just trotted out on the mat to try to help his team win the dual. Pretty much the polar opposite of what happened with Lewis if what was posted is true.
If it was the first time missing weight, I'd be mad but not nearly as pissed off as I am now. He missed it twice now.
I believe the weight Lewis wrestled at Worlds was less than 157. I don’t get how he can miss 157 before worlds. Make 155 and then come back and miss again
Tis puzzling isn't it and I had the same exact thoughts. When it was for him individually he made 154 lbs but when it's for his teammates he can't make 157 lbs? That's concerning.
The fact that this is the 2nd time happening, this time costing us a team match, really bothers me. He better make weight vs Iowa.
"Honestly, we got our butt kicked," coach Scott Goodale told ScarletKnights.com. "Other than our first two guys, who we expect those performances from, they out-wrestled us in every single position.
"We did a lot of laying on our belly. We couldn't get off the bottom, so that was disappointing from that standpoint. Their game plan was great, they were in better shape than us, they were tougher than us and they out-hustled us."
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...ock_haven_coach_scott.html#incart_river_index
"We did a lot of laying on our belly. We couldn't get off the bottom, so that was disappointing from that standpoint. Their game plan was great, they were in better shape than us, they were tougher than us and they out-hustled us."
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...ock_haven_coach_scott.html#incart_river_index
No shot this team beats Iowa. Lots of problems on this squad. Uninspired and unconditioned. Got our asses handed to us. Also Lewis inexplicably missing weight twice and I’m afraid this is much more than just a “weight issue”. Thank goodness we have Suriano, but he can’t be happy with the state of the program
Give me a break “can’t beat Iowa”. Iowa got lucky to beat Illinois. They need to figure out plan for Lewis and get people healthy and they’ll be fine
Aside from the first two weights Lock Haven was flat out better. That was this program’s worst performance in years in terms of opponent and effort which is a very bad sign. You’re also seeing how bad our wrestlers are other than the ranked guys. Even if Lewis goes next Friday, there are still a lot of other problems with this team. At #11 we were ranked way too high
That’s fair. All I’m saying is the performance you saw last night is not indictive of the talent. I haven’t lost faith in the team over that performance. Look at the issues that Most likely happen by March
1 ash gets back on mat
2 Lewis gets his weight in order (hopefully Goodale gets his head right and makes him understand he’s part of a team)
3. JVb gets healthy
4. Gravina gets healthy
5 Pagano gets his confidence back
I believe all of these things can happen and if it does RU will be fine.
My biggest concern so far has been the Lewis weight issues and the injuries. I wish guys like Gravina and JVB would be held out if they not completely healthy. You can ruin your chances at late season success trying to wrestle thru some of the injuries hey have
I wouldn't sound the panic alarms just yet over one bad performance. Yes, the Lewis situation is very troubling but we just came out flat and Lock Haven was jacked up for this match. They wrestled real hard and wanted this one, we didn't. Concerning yes, sky is falling chicken little(kid's story) no. We wrestled like crap and moving two guys up a weight class in the heavies wasn't a great plan IMO. It was just a dumb plan to try and win a meaningless match.
I give all the credit in the world to the kid for sticking it out and wrestling, but I highly doubt Santos is our future plan at 157 lbs. Van Brill(141) is being forced into action due to injury. We're not at the point yet where we can just plug in the best freshman in the country and say let's roll. We still need to develop guys. When you have only 9.9 scholarships, teams simply aren't going to be 2 deep at every position.
Biggest problem is the lack of depth - its coaches job to build the roster. Injuries and weight issues are more damaging because of the depth problem.
The conditioning and getting "out hustled" as per coach are unbelievable, also falls on the coaches.
You can't blame the loss on a guy who may be cutting too much to begin with, who is adjusting back after coming off a world title. Would have been good if they had recruited a kid around 157/165 who made it on to the roster, could have filled in last night.
Long time reader, first time poster:
So I am wondering why everyone thinks we should have beaten Lock Haven?
Ashnault/Suriano coming out of HS were actually lower ranked than Marstellar/Haynes. Marstellar was #1 in 2014 (Suriano #2 in 2016) and Haynes I THINK was higher ranked than AA.
My point is lock haven's "studs" are just as decorated as ours. Chance beat IMAR at University Nationals. His career has been star-crossed, but he has talent. His #10 ranking is way too low (yes free vs folk). Haynes was a big-time Ohio State recruit who couldn't beat out some Kyle Snyder dude (Is he any good?). Both of them are PA 4xers and I think CM was undefeated,
After that, its a bunch of PA wrestlers (and for better or worse, they are pretty good) vs a bunch of NJ wrestlers (who are also pretty good). I think we as RU fans are really under estimating how good Lock Haven is.
That being said, if guys are hurt, let them rest up.
In my opinion, we need a slight mind shift change from Coach Goodale. Tom Ryan will send out his B-squad for duals so the team will peak in March. Coach Goodale put a lot of emphasis on the dual season because it really does help grow the program. I understand it, and it was certainly a great decision and the fundraising/and enthusiam for the program show it. Now though, we have a team where the die-hards expect March success and the passive fan is interested. More March success at the expense of duals can be a great sacrifice..... but then we BETTER produce this March. (Note: I don't know coach. Not a knock on him, and I understand how easy it is to sit here and comment. By all accounts the team seems to be made up of great people who also happen to know how to wrestle)
Here are my predictions for March:
125-- Top 3. Only real threat is Nato. Seed will matter.
133-- AA for SD
141-- Qualify for MVB, AA in top 5.
149-- Rd of 12
157-- 2-4 based on seeds for RL. Dunno if he can take Nolf but I can't wait to see it.
165-- Healthy JVB is a rd of 12 maybe even low AA.
174-- Qualify the weight, probably go 2-2
184-- Gravina AA if healthy
197-- Qualify the weight -- probably go 1-2
HWT-- Qualify the weight-- 0-2.
Thanks for reading.
So I am wondering why everyone thinks we should have beaten Lock Haven?
Ashnault/Suriano coming out of HS were actually lower ranked than Marstellar/Haynes. Marstellar was #1 in 2014 (Suriano #2 in 2016) and Haynes I THINK was higher ranked than AA.
My point is lock haven's "studs" are just as decorated as ours. Chance beat IMAR at University Nationals. His career has been star-crossed, but he has talent. His #10 ranking is way too low (yes free vs folk). Haynes was a big-time Ohio State recruit who couldn't beat out some Kyle Snyder dude (Is he any good?). Both of them are PA 4xers and I think CM was undefeated,
After that, its a bunch of PA wrestlers (and for better or worse, they are pretty good) vs a bunch of NJ wrestlers (who are also pretty good). I think we as RU fans are really under estimating how good Lock Haven is.
That being said, if guys are hurt, let them rest up.
In my opinion, we need a slight mind shift change from Coach Goodale. Tom Ryan will send out his B-squad for duals so the team will peak in March. Coach Goodale put a lot of emphasis on the dual season because it really does help grow the program. I understand it, and it was certainly a great decision and the fundraising/and enthusiam for the program show it. Now though, we have a team where the die-hards expect March success and the passive fan is interested. More March success at the expense of duals can be a great sacrifice..... but then we BETTER produce this March. (Note: I don't know coach. Not a knock on him, and I understand how easy it is to sit here and comment. By all accounts the team seems to be made up of great people who also happen to know how to wrestle)
Here are my predictions for March:
125-- Top 3. Only real threat is Nato. Seed will matter.
133-- AA for SD
141-- Qualify for MVB, AA in top 5.
149-- Rd of 12
157-- 2-4 based on seeds for RL. Dunno if he can take Nolf but I can't wait to see it.
165-- Healthy JVB is a rd of 12 maybe even low AA.
174-- Qualify the weight, probably go 2-2
184-- Gravina AA if healthy
197-- Qualify the weight -- probably go 1-2
HWT-- Qualify the weight-- 0-2.
Thanks for reading.
Welcome, good rationale post. Your March predictions are a little ambitious in my opinion. But I agree a dual meet against Lock Haven is a time to rest starters if they have nagging injuries. Not go full tilt moving guys up weight classes in a last gasp effort to pull out a win. The B1G is grueling, let them heal. I think Scott took this one a little too personally.
If Richie Lewis missed the weight with an intention to wrestle, he should have wrestled 165 against Chance M.
Okay, yes, my predictions were optimistic, but at this level, I think wrestling is mental. If our guys get the "NJ swagger" back and stop reading headlines the sky is the limit.
I do think my 125/133 predictions are fair. If Ashnault wrestles (and I hope he doesn't and gets a waiver. Next year's lineup would be STACKED with him Gravina and Suriano etc) he has a good shot at AA. RL is a wildcard... he can go 0-2 or take Jason nolf to OT in the finals.
Good first post hope you post more often.
Can you refresh my memory of when Chance beat IMar at University Nationals? Don't remember that happening, at least not the last two years.
This is splitting hairs here (I use D1CW rankings), Haines was ranked #9 in 2014 and Ashnault was ranked #8 in 2013. Also Chance was the best "High School" wrestler his senior year but not the #1 recruit, that would have been Kyle Snyder, who didn't wrestle in HS his senior year. Again that is splitting hairs but just want the facts straight and possibly other ranking services had it different so you may be right about Haines and Ash.
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I am disappointed in how Grello wrestled. Given the chance to put a grasp on starting spot he was way to conservative. He took the guy down fairly easily in 3rd. Should have had many more shots. That’s not B10 wrestling. Hindsight is 20/20 but think we would have had chance at more points with Pagano at 174, Gravina at 184 and Mulligan at 97. Thought JVB gave his all against a superior opponent. And also thought Deluca also wrestled very flat. I think sometimes when you don’t get that takedown in 1st 1-2 minutes you get complacent and begin to wrestle for the close win and no mistakes but that doesn’t cut it in b10 and Natls.
