RU's perception -Ash interview

[lighty]

Granted this year was a mess but hardly need for a "cultural change."

Actually... the way most of the college football world perceived the mass arrests at RU did signify the need for a cultural change.

Imagine Coach Schiano will be none too pleased with this ill conceived categorization of a perception of disaster.

Why? Schiano wasn't in charge when the program went south. He may have recruited a few of the players, but he can't be blamed for the last coach's lack of control or how those players developed (or regressed) once he left.

 

[G- RUnit]

Actually... the way most of the college football world perceived the mass arrests at RU did signify the need for a cultural change.




Why? Schiano wasn't in charge when the program went south. He may have recruited a few of the players, but he can't be blamed for the last coach's lack of control or how those players developed (or regressed) once he left.

No doubt but program has been anything but a disaster. A rough year, a typical year with Urban at Florida, but come on. That's a low blow and not at all accurate.

If football is a disaster what is hoops??

IMO ill advised and inappropriate and simply not accurate.

 

[devoted2ru]

No doubt but program has been anything but a disaster. A rough year, a typical year with Urban at Florida, but come on. That's a low blow and not at all accurate.

If football is a disaster what is hoops??

IMO ill advised and inappropriate and simply not accurate.

What Ash said was: "I'm an outsider coming in. I hear what other coaches or media or people say their perception is. The perception is it's a disaster. Is that true? Some of it may be, some of it may not be. But anytime people are saying it's a disaster, things have to be fixed".

-Now the underlining in that quote is mine, but Ash doesn't say anywhere in that statement that that's his perception of the program. He talking about what the opinions of others seem to be regarding the present state of Rutgers football, and perception, whether completely accurate or not, is often viewed as reality. -As such, yes, there are definitely things that have to be fixed regarding this program's present general perception and to ignore the need for that would be a drastic mistake.

 

[bac2therac]

when you have so many arrests and you have a stupid unnecessary emailgate scandal, I think its safe to say you have a perception probem for that year, its about changing the current culture but the overall sentiment of disaster is overblown.

 

[ru75]

UNC tried to spin its way out of its scandal, throwing lots of $ and PR at it. But their time of reckoning is coming. They did not get away with anything, as the NCAA's COI is soon to hand down the punishment, which will include 20 years of vacated wins in FB, BB, Women’s BB; two BB NCs; post-season bans; loss of scholarships; monetary penalties; perhaps the DP in those three sports. The fact that a good number of ScarletNation posters continue to believe UNC is free and clear shows that the school's spin efforts have been successful to some degree, except for collegiate sport insiders, investigators, and close-monitoring member institutions, who know otherwise. Watch and see. UNC will soon pay a hefty price for its pervasive and long-running cheating, and for the FIVE level one infractions that the NCAA has leveled at them, including LOIC.

Go Pack!

 

[ru75]

Agree, 8-5 last year with wins over Michigan and UNC and all of a sudden we are a disaster.

What head coach comes in and professes the institution to be a disaster. Who the hell hired this ASH IDIOT.

This program will be a disaster with Hobbs and Ash running it. IT IS NOT A DISASTER before they got here.

reality check 3 please

 

[devoted2ru]

when you have so many arrests and you have a stupid unnecessary emailgate scandal, I think its safe to say you have a perception probem for that year, its about changing the current culture but the overall sentiment of disaster is overblown.

Agree. It IS overblown. -The problem is that people who don't really follow the program simply go with the most dramatic and sensationalized presentation of RU's situation and run with it, so that's why what you mentioned, a cultural change, is badly needed.

 

[RUSK97]

Ash is new. Hobbs is new. They don't know yet. The AD may have been around Jersey for a while, but not at Rutgers and not in the Athletics department. We're all still playing nicey-nicey, but it's only a matter of time before one tiny misstep is blown way out of proportion and spun by the local media and the fans. Ash doesn't understand how much fans are going to hate him yet.

 

[devoted2ru]

Ash doesn't understand how much fans are going to hate him yet.

And if Ash reaches the point where he's putting a consistent winner out on the field, he doesn't know how much the majority of fans will love him. -It actually can work both ways.

 

[RU85inFla]

No doubt but program has been anything but a disaster. A rough year, a typical year with Urban at Florida, but come on. That's a low blow and not at all accurate.

If football is a disaster what is hoops??

IMO ill advised and inappropriate and simply not accurate.

Typical Florida year for Urban except for a conference/national championship.

 

[RUfromSoCal?]

When you lose on AND off the field it's a disaster.

When you win on the field but lose off the field, it's a footnote.

When you win off the field but lose on the field, no one cares.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Ash is 100% right.

The future is bright.

 

[saran]

 

[Caliknight]

Agree, 8-5 last year with wins over Michigan and UNC and all of a sudden we are a disaster.

What head coach comes in and professes the institution to be a disaster. Who the hell hired this ASH IDIOT.

This program will be a disaster with Hobbs and Ash running it. IT IS NOT A DISASTER before they got here.

Why is this dude so angry?

 

[Scarlett Fan]

When you have non football issues- all in same season
1. players arrested for robbery with weapons- suspended
2. players arrested (different) for assault-suspended
3. players failing courses-suspended
4. A HC ignoring student advisory and going rogue-suspended
5. A HC caught in emailgate
6. players allegedly failing drug tests
7. star player involved in altercations when asked to stay out of it and then- suspended

Football

1. Poor recruiting and depth
2. 4-8 season
3. 3 blow outs
4. blown large lead to Maryland

That is a program that is a disaster

 

[RUonBrain]

Why is this dude so angry?

F that guy

What a d*ck

Why is he even posting on this board if he hates RUTGERS football so much?

Is he a pure troll, or is he a Flood or Schiano or Golden or Pernetti lover?

Those people can be the worst, not because they have their reasons for liking their guy, but because they besmirch the new guys thinking that makes their guy look better.

Why would you not fully support Ash and Hobbs?
Even worse, why would a RUTGERS fan TRASH either of them?

It just really pisses me off.
Talk about the opposite of generating "positive energy."

 

[RUsSKii]

Why is this dude so angry?

Because his Hofstra football buddy's firing eliminates the shot for a coaching gig at RU?

 

[KnightsofChrome]

Why is this dude so angry?

I'm sure his choices for AD & HC, were never in the mix....

 

[RUaMoose]

F that guy

What a d*ck

Why is he even posting on this board if he hates RUTGERS football so much?

Is he a pure troll, or is he a Flood or Schiano or Golden or Pernetti lover?

Those people can be the worst, not because they have their reasons for liking their guy, but because they besmirch the new guys thinking that makes their guy look better.

Why would you not fully support Ash and Hobbs?
Even worse, why would a RUTGERS fan TRASH either of them?

It just really pisses me off.
Talk about the opposite of generating "positive energy."

I think you're the person that shouldn't post here if you're too immature to handle diversity of opinion.

 

[Scarlet16E]

The simple truth is that the coaching community (which includes a fair number of the media) has had the perception that our athletic program is a disaster for some time.
Others have listed the numerous problems the football program had this year, but the perception in the coaching community preceded that.
Ash knows what needs to be done.

 

[Pils86]

I don't think he should have shared that others have told him it is a disaster. This does no good and feeds an incorrect perception. The program is 36-28 in the last 5 years - that is not a disaster. If he felt the need to say it then he should have followed up that they are wrong, that 2015 was an aberration and then went into positives like 8-5 with bowl win against UNC the first year in BIG, 9 bowls in 11 years, 36-28 in the last 5 years, returning players like Hamilton, Hicks, Martin, etc. He still has a recruiting class to fill so I'd prefer he be positive and forward thinking and if he talks of the past he brings up highlights, not lowlights.

 

[devoted2ru]

I don't think he should have shared that others have told him it is a disaster. This does no good and feeds an incorrect perception. The program is 36-28 in the last 5 years - that is not a disaster. If he felt the need to say it then he should have followed up that they are wrong, that 2015 was an aberration and then went into positives like 8-5 with bowl win against UNC the first year in BIG, 9 bowls in 11 years, 36-28 in the last 5 years, returning players like Hamilton, Hicks, Martin, etc. He still has a recruiting class to fill so I'd prefer he be positive and forward thinking and if he talks of the past he brings up highlights, not lowlights.

The trouble is whether Ash says others consider the Rutgers program to be a disaster, or whether he says it's completely untrue and tries to point out only the positives, the perception of many coaches, many in the media, and among a lot people who don't follow RU all that closely will remain that the program has been a dumpster fire, however excessive that sort of opinion might be. -And you can be sure that schools that are going after the same recruits we are will be reminding those prospects of the things that have gone on here in the recent past, (recent...as in the season that's just ended, while conveniently leaving out anything on the plus side that's gone on in the years before), whether that's a fair way of going about things or not.

It's going to take more than the comments of one person, even those of the new Rutgers HC, to change the way the program's presently viewed. It's going to take a change in the way things are done, and it's going to take people actually seeing that the methods of the previous coaching regime are now firmly in the rear-view mirror and that things at RU will be taking a very different and much more disciplined direction. -And I have a strong sense that that message, that it's a new day for Rutgers football, will be gotten across in a fairly short period of time.

 

[ru66]

our reputation and image was a mess before Hermann was hired--it wasn't a football thing--our entire image was at stake---flood--he was merely a coach who didn't succeed but who at one time was one of the few respected people that, if one is honest, was thought of positively as a representative of RU --now Julie comes along -she was given the opportunity to change RU's perception and had the full support of barchi and others --and to the contrary she pushed us over the edge and made us a bigger joke--say what you want about the media being unfair but these were mostly self inflicted wounds--it was floods job to win at football but Hermann's job to elevate our ENTIRE reputation and status and to overcome any obstacles---true or untrue, fair or not --we are perceived as a mess but I believe the people now on board will change this around pretty quickly --they have the correct gravitas

 

[Upstream]

our reputation and image was a mess before Hermann was hired--it wasn't a football thing--our entire image was at stake---flood--he was merely a coach who didn't succeed but who at one time was one of the few respected people that, if one is honest, was thought of positively as a representative of RU --now Julie comes along -she was given the opportunity to change RU's perception and had the full support of barchi and others --and to the contrary she pushed us over the edge and made us a bigger joke--say what you want about the media being unfair but these were mostly self inflicted wounds--it was floods job to win at football but Hermann's job to elevate our ENTIRE reputation and status and to overcome any obstacles---true or untrue, fair or not --we are perceived as a mess but I believe the people now on board will change this around pretty quickly --they have the correct gravitas

66 -- I think you are usually unfairly harsh on Julie, and I suspect that your dislike of her has something to do with things beyond her actual job performance. However, I agree that her propensity to stick her foot in her mouth created a lot of self-inflicted wounds and hindered ability to promote the athletic department.

 

[Knight Shift]

66 -- I think you are usually unfairly harsh on Julie, and I suspect that your dislike of her has something to do with things beyond her actual job performance. However, I agree that her propensity to stick her foot in her mouth created a lot of self-inflicted wounds and hindered ability to promote the athletic department.

Agreed. And before bac jumps in, the foot in the mouth issue overshadowed a lot of great behind the scenes work she did. The deck was stacked against her from the beginning. Regardless of his performance, Pernetti was a beloved loyal son, and he was fairly or unfairly thrown under the bus. Adding insult to injury, we get an AD through a very flawed hiring process. Putting salt in the wounds, there were skeletons in her closet. Oddly, her own players were those skeletons. Then the scab was ripped off and more salt poured in nearly every time she spoke publicly. Not exactly what Rutgers needed to heal.

Maybe we are out of the woods. Not a single negative story from NJ.Com on Ash's or Hobbs' past. And it has been like 3 or 4 weeks. Nor should we expect one. Hobbs is a class act all the way. And Ash seems to have done things the right way. I agree with what someone said above in his message--rather than being so blunt, and using the word "disaster", he could have toned it down. He is the face of Rutgers football. Coaches will use he words against him. I can see Franklin telling a recruit--"the new Rutgers coach has said that Rutgers is a disaster--do you really want to go there?".

 

[ru66]

upstream-- you are wrong about that , if so I would not have reacted to her pleas by significantly increasing my donations to RU--my entire feeling about her is about how she really hurt RU and set us back at a time when we needed her help to turn our rep around and I honestly get annoyed by those who can't recognize the damage done--burying our heads in the sand was a silly endeavor ---my point is validated by the overwhelming majority of those happy we have a fresh start and are not hiding away another embarrassement

 

[RUTBAY]

Agreed. And before bac jumps in, the foot in the mouth issue overshadowed a lot of great behind the scenes work she did. The deck was stacked against her from the beginning. Regardless of his performance, Pernetti was a beloved loyal son, and he was fairly or unfairly thrown under the bus. Adding insult to injury, we get an AD through a very flawed hiring process. Putting salt in the wounds, there were skeletons in her closet. Oddly, her own players were those skeletons. Then the scab was ripped off and more salt poured in nearly every time she spoke publicly. Not exactly what Rutgers needed to heal.

Maybe we are out of the woods. Not a single negative story from NJ.Com on Ash's or Hobbs' past. And it has been like 3 or 4 weeks. Nor should we expect one. Hobbs is a class act all the way. And Ash seems to have done things the right way. I agree with what someone said above in his message--rather than being so blunt, and using the word "disaster", he could have toned it down. He is the face of Rutgers football. Coaches will use he words against him. I can see Franklin telling a recruit--"the new Rutgers coach has said that Rutgers is a disaster--do you really want to go there?".

And yet none of that would have mattered if the bonehead FB coach - the sport with the highest profile in any athletic department - hadn't ignored people paid to give him advice and decided instead to play secret agent with a dance teacher outside of Princeton. I'm far from a Julie apologist but I think the fact that our HCKF couldn't control his players and himself contributed far more to the perception of RU as a dumpster fire than anything else. If none of the FB things had happened what would we have seen in the press even above all the sturm and drang of the backbiting of the Pernetti and the entrenched establishment saboteurs?

- RU arguably the overall best M/F soccer program in the B1G
- An up and coming wrestling program.
- Rising Olympic sport performance
- Plans for a renovated training center
- And finally maybe an NCAA champion long jumper.

Sorry but the match was lit for the dumpster fire by some "nice guy" in way over his head.

 

[G- RUnit]

Starting Ohio State running back crashes car, driving while suspended. Another Urban issue. No perception of disaster here. Nothing to see here...

 

[bac2therac]

And yet none of that would have mattered if the bonehead FB coach - the sport with the highest profile in any athletic department - hadn't ignored people paid to give him advice and decided instead to play secret agent with a dance teacher outside of Princeton. I'm far from a Julie apologist but I think the fact that our HCKF couldn't control his players and himself contributed far more to the perception of RU as a dumpster fire than anything else. If none of the FB things had happened what would we have seen in the press even above all the sturm and drang of the backbiting of the Pernetti and the entrenched establishment saboteurs?

- RU arguably the overall best M/F soccer program in the B1G
- An up and coming wrestling program.
- Rising Olympic sport performance
- Plans for a renovated training center
- And finally maybe an NCAA champion long jumper.

Sorry but the match was lit for the dumpster fire by some "nice guy" in way over his head.

this is pretty much spot on. RU66 can blast Julie all he wants yet he TOTALLY IGNORES the significant improvement and strides that all the Olympic sports made, not only in success but in funding and attention to details. Its not just about football and basketball. There were things that need significant upgrades at this school and Julie like her or not accomplished them. She would not have fired if Flood went 7-5 this year and didn't have the off field incidents. Since the Pernetti tards still hated her and fiefdoms ruled Rutgers, unfortunately for her to get a fresh start and clean slate she had to be lumped in too and removed. Not going to fight that. It is what it is and Hobbs appears better suited the tough job of fundraising for basketball

For RU66 to say the athletic department got worse from Pernetti to Julie is just lies and his hatred agenda pushing. Lets remember the media started their anti Rutgers campaign before the Rice and Pernetti and Julie stuff, it started with the invitation to the Big 10. National media DID NOT want Rutgers in the Big 10 and was incredulous it happened. They have stopped at nothing to lambast RU at every step..even downplaying the 7-5 season last season and downplaying success in sports like wrestling, womens hoops,and womens soccer.

there has been nothing to bash about RU since Ash and Hobbs were hired because its only been a few weeks and there is virtually nothing to report but be aware the media fascination with bashing Rutgers isn't going to go away because Flood and Julie were fired.

 

[Upstream]

upstream-- you are wrong about that , if so I would not have reacted to her pleas by significantly increasing my donations to RU--my entire feeling about her is about how she really hurt RU and set us back at a time when we needed her help to turn our rep around and I honestly get annoyed by those who can't recognize the damage done--burying our heads in the sand was a silly endeavor ---my point is validated by the overwhelming majority of those happy we have a fresh start and are not hiding away another embarrassement

66 -- I assume the part I am wrong about is that things beyond Julie's actual job performance have contributed to your dislike of her (and I assume that you think I am right about the part where I agreed with you).

I have absolutely no real evidence to support that your dislike of Julie is due to items other than her job performance, and normally I am inclined to take someone's claims at face value without real evidence to the contrary. So while the tenor of your posts have suggested that there is something more there, I'll take your explanation at face value and assume that your harshness is due to an over-the-top posting style.

 

[RUInsanity]

I think you're the person that shouldn't post here if you're too immature to handle diversity of opinion.

There's a nuanced difference between offering a diverse opinion and trolling or pushing an agenda. If there is uncertainty all one has to do is look at the posting history which is now archived nicely within the new board format.

 

[RUonBrain]

There's a nuanced difference between offering a diverse opinion and trolling or pushing an agenda. If there is uncertainty all one has to do is look at the posting history which is now archived nicely within the new board format.

EXACTLY.

Diverse opinion is one thing.

Coming out and ripping the 2 new hires just because your butt buddy either isn't here any more, or didn't get hired, is totally different.

If you are going to verbally attack both at this stage before either has had a chance to fail, then IMO you should be banned from this site.

 

[bac2therac]

EXACTLY.

Diverse opinion is one thing.

Coming out and ripping the 2 new hires just because your butt buddy either isn't here any more, or didn't get hired, is totally different.

If you are going to verbally attack both at this stage before either has had a chance to fail, then IMO you should be banned from this site.

agree...I don't know how any could bash Ash or Hobbs yet when they have virtually done nothing yet. Ash in assemble mode, Hobbs just finding his way around the lay of the athletic department.

 

[ru66]

take it at face value upstream,because I meant what I said--as for Bac, your excuses for her are repetitive and are just plain overstatements of her limited success--anyone who thinks hermann didn't finish off our reputation AFTER getting here is in a dream world and bac you live in it--email Barchi with your excuses maybe he'll hire her back

 

[RUAEPI]

I like the new direction that Rutgers is taking. We have a guy in place as AD that has the in's in the political circles to get things changed, and we have new young blood as a football coach that will not stop at anything to get the job done. Now it's our job to sit back and watch it unfold.

As for the perception on the program...Ash is 100% correct. now it is his job to change that!

 

[NickKnight 1]

the department as a whole is better off than when she came..thats fact. Again stuck with Flood and that contributed to her downfall, didn't do everything right but things are not the disaster that some would make it out to be. Flood was the disaster in football. The rest of the programs except for hoops are now all forwardly placed

also the article basically deals with football here yet you continue to make everything about Julie. Yes she takes some blame because she was AD with Flood coaching football and she failed to remove him early but I have not heard you UTTER ONE WORD ever criticizing Flood for causing the program to be a disaster not ONE WORD...why is that.

Was she the one that extended his contract?

 

[NotInRHouse]

The bottom line is that if Flood and Rice were never HCs we would have had no such issues. Even if the alternatives were also poor coaches they'd have had to strive extra hard to cause the scandals Rice and Flood did.

That is on Pernetti. I really do not fault JH for not cleaning up his mess fast enough and I didn't mind her gaffes. The media hated her and she hated them and they'd have been after her if she hired Nick Saban and Coach K.