Thinking the wording and length of this suspension is from the Athletic Department Rules, usually a basketball suspension is made in terms of game numbers, two weeks here is probably a violation of RU athletic policies
Sanders suspended 2 weeks.
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A four-game suspension (that's what he received right) is slightly more 10 percent of Rutgers season That 10 percent threshold is consistent with what many schools use for a second violation of the its drug testing policy.
The first violation typically leads to counseling.
I have no idea why Sanders was suspended and I'm not making any accusations. I'm also not familiar with Rutgers' policy for drug testing punishment for student-athletes. I am just pointing out what many schools do.
The first violation typically leads to counseling.
I have no idea why Sanders was suspended and I'm not making any accusations. I'm also not familiar with Rutgers' policy for drug testing punishment for student-athletes. I am just pointing out what many schools do.
If it's a failed drug test suspension then there are no "fingerprints" on anything. We have set rules, rules that in the recent past weren't followed, so I highly doubt any games were played here wouldn't you?
Is it okay now to say that Eddie must go? I swear to goodness I just can't fathom how anyone can still support Eddie being our coach.
clearly a BIG deal getting this many games. in comparison, diamond stone, got a one game suspension for shoving a guys head into the floor...
Eddie maybe should be let go for a number of other reasons, but NOT because he took disciplinary action. What would you have any coach do when discipline is needed?
If a kid this talented followed all the rules he'd be playing at a powerhouse
That's not the reason. It's related. The concerns are (1) that he has peopled his roster with risky players by gambling in recruiting, either because he wasn't careful or isn't capable of competing in the recruiting battles for the less risky kids and (2) that, while his heart's in the right place with regard to disciplining players for doing the wrong thing, his systems or management of those systems aren't sufficient to help prevent these types of problems from arising in the first place -- e.g., think of the systems Schiano put in place with kids and how Flood let them slip or worse.
Now, we can't be sure which of these are the problem, whether it's something else, or whether it's all of them. But at some point you just stop guessing and hoping and look at the big picture. And the big picture is the RU is losing at an unbearable, fan-numbing rate and the roster has questionable talent and wherever there is talent, it's unreliable. And you move on.
It's not a matter of taking disciplinary action - it's a matter of having the levels of control/respect/accountability in the locker room that prevent these types of things from happening. Clearly discipline isn't working - Freeman was already suspended for a half to start this year then gets an extended suspension, then Sanders gets suspended. I'd imagine there were preliminary steps involved before going straight to a 4 game suspension, too.
While sometimes kids do stupid things and need to be disciplined... when it gets to the point that your discipline policy dictates missing 4 games (or indefinite suspensions), one begins to question how loose the culture is to allow kids to get into this sort of trouble.
When I heard Sanders hooked up with a Douby post game I assumed it was Quincy. :pimp:
(anywho I hope that is not the case and just trying to laugh my way thru this latest mess. Chapter 28 or 29. lost count)
(anywho I hope that is not the case and just trying to laugh my way thru this latest mess. Chapter 28 or 29. lost count)
You cannot watch kids 24 hours a day-----it's just not doable.
Lots of things to find fault with in EJ's tenure this but isn't one of them IMO.
As a D-1 athlete you have to take care of your business on both an academic and a personal level. Evidently Corey Sanders wasn't able to do that and the best lesson he can learn going forward is that your actions have consequences.
Frankly what did disappoint me a bit was that he didn't make an apology publicly for letting down the RU basketball fans along with his coaches and teammates.
Lots of things to find fault with in EJ's tenure this but isn't one of them IMO.
As a D-1 athlete you have to take care of your business on both an academic and a personal level. Evidently Corey Sanders wasn't able to do that and the best lesson he can learn going forward is that your actions have consequences.
Frankly what did disappoint me a bit was that he didn't make an apology publicly for letting down the RU basketball fans along with his coaches and teammates.
I agree that you can't watch kids 24 hours a day, and then I disagree with most of the rest. There are coaches who are better at keeping their players eligible than others, and they can do it properly. Schiano is an example. There are others. It has to do with picking the right recruits and then putting them in a system that helps them. Sure, the kid is ultimately responsible. But I guarantee you that coaches who generally pick the right types of kids and have helpful systems in place get much less of this than we are seeing here.
So, yeah, personal responsibility matters. But you're kidding yourself if you think that the structure put in place by the coach and the roster selection process by the coach don't matter.
So, yeah, personal responsibility matters. But you're kidding yourself if you think that the structure put in place by the coach and the roster selection process by the coach don't matter.
Folks are missing the point about the suspension.....regardless of what the reason was, why or what triggered it, there is no published manual that says anything about when a suspension must be started....I will almost assure everyone here that it's at the schools discretion on when to enforce the suspension, otherwise it would be common knowledge.
For those that don't believe that this, I'm already on record behind the scenes with multiple names linked to the RU job, because it has a high level of interest from various members of the coaching fraternity....the names are not eye-opening or unrealistic names like Calipari or an existing Hall of Fame caliber coach, but to some fans, that is the only solution to RU basketball.
The fact remains that here and elsewhere, Eddie still somehow had support of some alumni that felt he needed more time or at least next year......less than 24 hours later, Sanders suspension is being spun as if it's some sort of indictment against the last legion of Eddie supporters and that he's somehow lost the program. That's not entirely fair, there has to be an actual program in place to lose, first of all. Eddie was attempting to rebuild what was left and that was by trying to land as many kids as humanly possible in 3 years.
The fan base seems to equate a suspension as some sort of wrong doing associated with the coach, which is 100% false.....West Virginia and countless other programs this week has suspended players and they go on as if nothing is wrong. But because those programs are considered winning programs, it's a non-starter or non-issue.
At a program like RU, only does a suspension of the player or players, suddenly create an image that the program is somehow off-kilter, when it happens at any other program in the country. This suspension of RU's best player, whether designed to be done now or later or somehow after the games ended doesn't change the direction of the program, but it does remove or appears to have removed the last Eddie supporters from the equation. And that in itself has solved the PR problem of firing a coach that on win-loss record, deserves to be let go. And my theory stands that unless there is an NCAA document that clearly states that a school has to suspend a player for any specific violation is fine.....I seriously doubt however that it states the player or school has to suspend that player within a certain timeframe. Sanders like any other student athlete, didn't suddenly change whatever actions were occurring since he arrived at RU.
Sanders and any other player is part of a system that gives leeway for the school to suspend a player for his actions OR can choose to not suspend a player for his actions. There is no rule that says a player that violates whatever rule is in place, automatically gets suspended. There are certain Power 5 conference schools that would not field a team in football and basketball if the NCAA actually suspended players for violations of team rules....just something to consider.
For those that don't believe that this, I'm already on record behind the scenes with multiple names linked to the RU job, because it has a high level of interest from various members of the coaching fraternity....the names are not eye-opening or unrealistic names like Calipari or an existing Hall of Fame caliber coach, but to some fans, that is the only solution to RU basketball.
The fact remains that here and elsewhere, Eddie still somehow had support of some alumni that felt he needed more time or at least next year......less than 24 hours later, Sanders suspension is being spun as if it's some sort of indictment against the last legion of Eddie supporters and that he's somehow lost the program. That's not entirely fair, there has to be an actual program in place to lose, first of all. Eddie was attempting to rebuild what was left and that was by trying to land as many kids as humanly possible in 3 years.
The fan base seems to equate a suspension as some sort of wrong doing associated with the coach, which is 100% false.....West Virginia and countless other programs this week has suspended players and they go on as if nothing is wrong. But because those programs are considered winning programs, it's a non-starter or non-issue.
At a program like RU, only does a suspension of the player or players, suddenly create an image that the program is somehow off-kilter, when it happens at any other program in the country. This suspension of RU's best player, whether designed to be done now or later or somehow after the games ended doesn't change the direction of the program, but it does remove or appears to have removed the last Eddie supporters from the equation. And that in itself has solved the PR problem of firing a coach that on win-loss record, deserves to be let go. And my theory stands that unless there is an NCAA document that clearly states that a school has to suspend a player for any specific violation is fine.....I seriously doubt however that it states the player or school has to suspend that player within a certain timeframe. Sanders like any other student athlete, didn't suddenly change whatever actions were occurring since he arrived at RU.
Sanders and any other player is part of a system that gives leeway for the school to suspend a player for his actions OR can choose to not suspend a player for his actions. There is no rule that says a player that violates whatever rule is in place, automatically gets suspended. There are certain Power 5 conference schools that would not field a team in football and basketball if the NCAA actually suspended players for violations of team rules....just something to consider.
When you have 6 wins, have your second best player suspended, and lost 27 in a row, I'm not sure why it took convincing of any kind that something was wrong. To follow it up and have your best player suspended, that tells you that this thing is over.
Do we know that there isn't a policy now in place by the AD? Is it possible this is a black and white thing?
On a seperate note...Russ Wood is 1 person, but..... This is EJ's fault if we trust Russ.
On a seperate note...Russ Wood is 1 person, but..... This is EJ's fault if we trust Russ.
It's off-kilter because he only has only gotten 2 B1G players in 3 years and they are both suspended. Next year's recruits are underwhelming to say the least and he hasn't proven he can coach at all. Add in his pathetic record, the blowouts, the bizarre statements regarding rebounding, fan's patience, etc. and it's a pretty ugly picture. If it wasn't for the injuries, his exit would have already been a done-deal.
There's a lot of things off about this post, but this one struck me the most. In what world has Sander's suspension "create[d]" the off-kilter image of RU basketball. That work was done years ago and got worse with naked-free-throw-shooting, basketball coaches hiding at baseball games, a coach throwing balls at his players and shouting derogatory remarks as part of his training, and the last 2.7 years of poundings and an immense number of losses.
Against that, the suspension of player for 4 games knocked the program off kilter? Only someone who was trying to muse into existence a non-sensical conspiracy that involves suspending a player whenever the AD wants, no matter when the infraction occurred or what it was, could believe that.
And it's not that "folks are missing the point about the suspension" that you're trying to make. We understand your point. It's just ludicrous. It's straight out of the make-believe world of conspiracy where hushed voices and unknown, devilish intentions underlie devious machinations that no outsider, other than you, could believe or understand.
Sure. That's what happened. The new AD, hired to help remedy significant transparency and rule-breaking problems under Flood, decided to take a hidden suspension policy, use it indiscriminately and arbitrarily to suspend a student athlete, and thereby engineer the firing of a coach.
Now, I know, as I expected, that you ran away from claiming to know what Sanders did wrong: "regardless of what the reason was, why or what triggered it." But, let's just say for argument's sake that it was smoking weed, and it was discovered in December, which is consistent with your vague suggestion that it happened in the past and Hobbs is acting now for Machiavellian purposes. So, the new AD decides to do nothing about a known drug policy violation for weeks or months, may never do anything about it, and raises it much later only to use it as a tool to fire a coach. What could go wrong with that?
I mean, if the NCAA shows up at some point, I'm sure they'd buy your suggested defense. It'd go something like this:
NCAA: Mr. Hobbs, can we please have your drug suspension policy.
Hobbs: No.
NCAA: Why not?
Hobbs: It's hidden.
NCAA: But you have to show it to us, we sanction you, we have rules on these types of things.
Hobbs: Still hidden. It's just hidden. We hired a firm to investigate, and they told us, "whatever you do, hide that damn thing."
NCAA: Oh, ok, well, we guess it's hidden then. Never mind. We're going to leave now.
Hobbs (to himself): I knew it. I knew this would work. No repercussions. Just break the rules. How else could I have fired Eddie Jordon. I had no other reason. No one would have seen it as reasonable. But this worked. Phew! Good work. I'm glad only that Hawk guy figured it out, otherwise there may have been real trouble.
Hobbs: No.
NCAA: Why not?
Hobbs: It's hidden.
NCAA: But you have to show it to us, we sanction you, we have rules on these types of things.
Hobbs: Still hidden. It's just hidden. We hired a firm to investigate, and they told us, "whatever you do, hide that damn thing."
NCAA: Oh, ok, well, we guess it's hidden then. Never mind. We're going to leave now.
Hobbs (to himself): I knew it. I knew this would work. No repercussions. Just break the rules. How else could I have fired Eddie Jordon. I had no other reason. No one would have seen it as reasonable. But this worked. Phew! Good work. I'm glad only that Hawk guy figured it out, otherwise there may have been real trouble.
And I'm sure that lawyers for Eddie wouldn't make something of it. How would they know? Oh, well, I guess they could talk to Eddie, but hey, he'd just keep his mouth shut. And even if he didn't and he sued, why would it matter. It'd go something like this:
Eddie's Lawyer: Give us your drug suspension policy and evidence on when you knew that Mr. Sanders had violated it.
Hobbs: No.
Eddie's Lawyer: What! Give it to us.
Hobbs: No.
Court: Mr. Hobbs, I order you to hand over the drug suspension policy.
Hobbs. No. It's hidden.
Court: Oh, well why didn't you say so. Case dismissed.
Hobbs: No.
Eddie's Lawyer: What! Give it to us.
Hobbs: No.
Court: Mr. Hobbs, I order you to hand over the drug suspension policy.
Hobbs. No. It's hidden.
Court: Oh, well why didn't you say so. Case dismissed.
Yeah, that's how that would go too.
And let's not forget that this was all done because it would be too much of a head-scratcher to find a reason to fire Eddie Jordan, the guy who has overseen possibly the worst three years in RU basketball history.
Got it.
The silence of a couple of posters speaks volumes. Hawk's post that there are already identifiable candidates gives me optimism that we're not going to have go through a fourth year of this obvious train wreck.
I'm sure segments of the media will be up in arms about another coaching buyout but that too will pass. It's crystal clear that the coach must be terminated at season's end.
I'm sure segments of the media will be up in arms about another coaching buyout but that too will pass. It's crystal clear that the coach must be terminated at season's end.
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Has Chopping blamed this on the facilities yet?
You lost me when I saw this was another 6 paragraph post by you. You original post that Hobbs has his fingerprints all over the suspension to can Eddie still seems silly.
He has more than enough reasons to fire Eddie. He just needs to find the money.
Hey guys: college athletes do drugs at EVERY school, let's not be so freakin' naive, and THAT in-and-of-itself is NOT a reason to fire your HC (UNLESS the coach is caught, somehow, manipulating tests, etc. etc....), no doubt, but I can see where the AD, disgruntled for very, very good reasons, could use this in his "arsenal" if/when he decides to make a change.
I am not sure the suspension was due to weed or due to academics, as most of the board has speculated. No verification one way or another. I am also hearing that everybody might not be going anywhere or transferring as has been speculated. Eddie might not be on his way out!!
4 games is something serious..and 7 straight losses which look very likely now and Eddie will be going
Would be absolutely shocked if Jordan is here next year. This program is beyond a joke right now and Hobbs is way too smart for this nonsense.
They will get a win. Not sure how yet. Minnesota 2x and 13-16 game in B1G gives us 3 good chances
No shot to beat Minnesota away without Sanders and do you really think by the time Sanders comes back this team will still be fighting? I don't. Illnois will crush us for a third time
That really crappy Depaul team broke thru in the 1st round of BET. Last night took some wind out of my RU isn't THAT bad sails. I was really disappointed with our decision making offensively. I know I am a broken record....this guy just can't coach. How many times are you going to allow useless dribbles OR guys who have no business penetrating and finishing in the paint. Every time we ran our offense past the 1st or 2nd option Jonathan got the ball in an advantageous spot. Illinois is just like us...they don't want to defend for 30 seconds.
It is one thing to have an offensive game plan (which we did), it is another to demand players execute it. Eddie fails on #2. It took him FOREVER to finally yank Williams after countless bad shots.
