Mensah, but a lack of any playing time the first two games against inferior teams is worrisome. Hopefully not another JUCO bust. Would a redshirt help?
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We haven’t faced a team with bigs like we will face in the B1G and some out of conference games. He’ll be needed when we start playing those teams. Not saying he’s gonna play more than Johnson or Doorson, but he’ll play. I think it’s between him and MD to show that they deserve more of those minutes when foul trouble starts to mount and lineups get bigger.
its disappointing so little time but obviously Pike knows the situation best and I trust what the coaching staff is doing. Hopefully Shaq catches up to speed
It's a great thing when the talent on the roster makes guys earn minutes by working hard and getting better. With that said, he'll be needed and that's what.Pikiell said in the first post news conference.
My biggest hope is that one day this roster will have guys not playing much but could start on other teams.
I'd be more worried if he played a lot and looked bad. Or if he didn't play and doorson and Myles looked bad
The bottom line is Myles Johnson has been in the system for 15 months, is a smart player that used to play guard in HS and kept growing. He views the game offensively like a guard, at 6'10.
Doucoure and Carter are bangers in the paint designed to get rebounds and clear space. The goal is to get Doucoure and Carter into the system where they can function offensively...
Most teams automatically send a double team to anyone that catches the ball in the low post. In this instance, if Doucoure and Carter get up to a level of Myles as a passer, they'll play more minutes. It's very early but Myles is a true rotation player that will find open players all over the floor.
I can't forsee a situation where Myles loses minutes, especially if he's able to continue to be a passer and blocks an occasional shot or two. That extra 12 months in the system is a huge advantage for Myles and his skillset appears to fit. I can see Carter getting more involved as we move into B1G play but Doorson and Johnson are ahead right now.
Doucoure and Carter are bangers in the paint designed to get rebounds and clear space. The goal is to get Doucoure and Carter into the system where they can function offensively...
Most teams automatically send a double team to anyone that catches the ball in the low post. In this instance, if Doucoure and Carter get up to a level of Myles as a passer, they'll play more minutes. It's very early but Myles is a true rotation player that will find open players all over the floor.
I can't forsee a situation where Myles loses minutes, especially if he's able to continue to be a passer and blocks an occasional shot or two. That extra 12 months in the system is a huge advantage for Myles and his skillset appears to fit. I can see Carter getting more involved as we move into B1G play but Doorson and Johnson are ahead right now.
Not worried yet, because I haven't seen him play. Last year we also used Sa and Doorson situationally at times, so it's possible that Carter's just not in the plan based on matchups yet.
I'd be much more worried if I saw him play and he was struggling against FDU/Drexel.
I'd be much more worried if I saw him play and he was struggling against FDU/Drexel.
I actually think it’s very possible Myles overtakes Doorson as the season goes on. He’s been the most impressive big through two game, and he shows an offensive low post game we haven’t seen in a long time.
Just that everyone on this board wants someone to redshirt at some point or another.
I don’t necessarily ...but if he’s not going to play and he’s only got two years of eligibility?
He's played in both games already so he's not going to get redshirted unless he's injured.
We have 11 scholarship players who can play. I don’t see anyone redshirting, there will be games where Doucoure and Carter will be needed.
Based on the first 2 games, don't expect to see Doucore or Carter anywhere near the floor for meaningful minutes any time soon.
The 2nd half of both games would have been the ideal opportunity for them to see some action, and get their feet wet for bigger games down the road. Neither did. Instead, they got walk-on time.
The 2nd half of both games would have been the ideal opportunity for them to see some action, and get their feet wet for bigger games down the road. Neither did. Instead, they got walk-on time.
We just scored over 90 in two games and people are talking about guys on the bottom of the roster droning on about how they are doing..so lame.
I think Myles is ahead of Doorson already. Doorson will still start.
Fact of the matter is we don't need four centers this year. Doorson and Johnson can handle the minutes. I agree that it is a worrying concern for next season if Carter or Doucoure don't show potential, but there's also at least one available scholarship Pikiell could use on a big.
We don't need four centers but we may need a power forward who can bang at certain points of the game/season. This is where I see Carter getting minutes.$$$$
I thought with the playing time Doucoure had last year, he would have improved because he was so young. He didn’t play much in the two games but he appears to have regressed. Definitely concerned that pike couldn’t get either any real playing time? It’s a long season and I’m sure both will play if we are in foul trouble but it doesn’t seem like they are good enough to be in the active rotation? It could also be a message to work harder in practice. Carter is a big dude but maybe a bit out of shape for the pace of division 1 hoops. This is nothing compared to what they will see in the Big 10.
Geo was dominant. I feel like he could have scored another 20 on his own by just taking in the hoop. He’s a team guy though and gets everyone involved.
Geo was dominant. I feel like he could have scored another 20 on his own by just taking in the hoop. He’s a team guy though and gets everyone involved.
This time last year year in games against CCSU, Cleveland St, Coppin St, Bryant, etc. Sa and Doorson either earned DNPs or played less than 10 minutes (combined). Once conference season started those same two players averaged between 15-25 minutes (combined).
I think we will see plenty of Carter and Doucoure this season. We just are not going to see them much against teams that play four guards and a PF as their base lineup.
I think we will see plenty of Carter and Doucoure this season. We just are not going to see them much against teams that play four guards and a PF as their base lineup.
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Doorson APPEARS to be more of a force, inside, physically.....Myles is much more fluid, athletic, moves a bit better, and passes better
If I had to choose, I like Myles out there more for the majority of the minutes, yet we can allow Doorson to start, he deserves that honor.....
Just a match up thing. FDU and Drexel are smaller quicker teams. Carter and Doucoure are both physical players. I'll guarantee Pike told them before each game they wouldn't get much time.
Bottom line is we have 5 bigs on the roster and we have 1.75 spots (assuming we go small a bit in a game). It looks like only 3 will be in the regular rotation.
There isn't much more to say. Program is progressing.
There isn't much more to say. Program is progressing.
We don’t have to throw him to the wolves instead we can him along slowly. Our bigs are way ahead of him. Apparently he still needs some time but will become really needed when we play bigger competition and the tendency to foul more. We will need the depth he will provide. We are simply not used to this level of talent.
You think we continue to play Thiam or Harper Jr. as a "4" against Maryland, Michigan State, Michigan, etc?
Mensah didn't belong playing Division 1 basketball, and probably not even Division 2. That is how over matched he was. We haven't seen enough of shaq c. Is it a bit concerning? Yea maybe. But Shaq was ranked as a top 10 JUCO player and named to the Big Ten All Newcomer team, I think people know his skill level and that he can contribute at this level. Just give it time.
What do you think?
2 issues are DREB and defensive matchups.
What is the typical guy look like from a matchup standpoint? You know MD roster better than me. Looking at limited data the player my be closer to Harper than Carter or Duocore.
Looking at Michigan the 3 and 4 could be Isiah Livers 6'7'' 235 and Charles Matthews 6'6'' 205. I am thinking Issa and Harper would match up better than Issa and Duocore (or Shaq Carter)
Michigan State that guy could be 6' 7'' 230 Kenny Goins.
Maryland plays Jalen Smith (6'10" frosh) and Bruno Fernando (6'10" soph) at the 4 and 5. Michigan plays Teske (7'1") and Purdue plays Haarms (7'4") and they play them with 6'7" PFs who are strong and would (imo) over power Harper/Thiam in the post/on the glass. Goins is another CBB player who is too strong in the post/on the glass to try to put Thiam/Harper on him.
As I posted above Sa and Doorson hardly played against CCSU, Bryant, Coppin St, etc. And then those two played 20-25 minutes (combined) in league. We are seeing lineups that go: 5'9", 6'1", 6'3", 6'4", 6'7"--tough to get a true "big rotation" against those lineups. We have done this for two years under Coach P (first year Diallo didn't play OOC then played in league). I think we see plenty of Shaq C/Doucoure once we start facing high majors that have any kind of size.
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Another question is whether Myles Johnson is actually more equipped to guard the prototype B1G "4"? If so, that would slide Carter or Duocore in to guard the "5" if/when Eugene and Doorson are out of the lineup.
The one thing that is clear to me watching the 1st 2 games is that we need a rim protector in the game at all times. Our perimeter players will get beat off the dribble and we need a Johnson or Doorson in at all times. Unfortunately a lot of skilled B1G teams will have their 5 outside the paint so that renders the shot blocking 5 ineffective.
The one thing that is clear to me watching the 1st 2 games is that we need a rim protector in the game at all times. Our perimeter players will get beat off the dribble and we need a Johnson or Doorson in at all times. Unfortunately a lot of skilled B1G teams will have their 5 outside the paint so that renders the shot blocking 5 ineffective.
What happens when you put Shaq or Duke on them and they move to the perimeter? You wind up in the bonus with 14 minutes left in the half.
It should be very interesting how this plays out AND what does Pikiell do defensively when we have a stud perimeter player to defend (like Friday).
Our friendly debate about Sanders becomes very relevant in a few days. I get the sense on November 16 that Mathis is actually best equipped to guard a stud and he is no where even ready to do so.
