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SIAP: Is there an update at all on vedral or is it a secret?
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Please explain ‘force the Iowa DC to game plan for him’.
I heard through the grapevine that Iowa gave its DBs this week off from practice.
Noah has always had the green light to throw the ball. Whether you agree with it or not, the decision to play conservative against Temple even after struggling to run the ball early was QB specific. If Noah was playing he would’ve attempted way more than 15 pass plays in the game.
Maybe, but he doesn’t throw past the sticks either. No matter who the QB is, 3rd and long is always a 2 yard pass hoping for 5 missed tackles, punting on 4th and 5.
That’s just not true. Noah is no Tom Brady and he’s not going to throw long balls with a ton on zip going for 25+ yard plays. But his medium game is pretty accurate. If given even a little bit of time Noah completed 8-12ish yard throws pretty well. More importantly, he uses the middle as well as the sides and we had started incorporating the tight ends down the middle (though with the depleted line we weren’t able to do that as much as the staff probably wanted). Many fans don’t like Noah because they feel his upside is limited in terms of big play conversions. This may be true, but it’s untrue that he cannot be an adequate game manager for a defense first style team. I don’t think our young QBs are ready for that role which is why the play calling was designed the way it was.
Upper body injury? If it is the thumb could that be considered a lower body injury if you have long arms and your thumb hangs to your knees :) . Seriously with the proliferation of betting on college games when will it become mandatory to provide truthful injury reports without violating HIPAA rules vs vague information. My guess is once the schools are offered money for a report.
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Ironically, good karma was at least partially explained to us long ago by our moms when they told us that if we don't have something nice to say, we ought not say anything at all. 🙂
Veering slightly off-topic, if you had to choose between: a P365 or P365XL, G43 or 43X, a Hellcat or Hellcat Pro, or a VP9SK or P30SK, which would you choose? I'm just curious which you'd choose. No need to give a reason, that'd veer too far off-topic and piss people off too much.
You said it yourself: defense first. Loser formula in the modern game and why no offense, poor recruiting etc.
But do you really think our QBs aren’t ready to play the position at a basic level ? How come only our QBs? You only had to look across the field Saturday to see a true frosh, first time starter who was ready. This doesn’t happen anywhere else, and it’s 100% Schiano’s 1940 offensive philosophy.
No more Wagners on the schedule until next year. The curtain hiding our (3-0) philosophy gets pulled back this week against a real team.
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The QBs, Simon and Vedral, are ready to play, IMO. Wimsatt is getting there as well.
Our problem really isn't QBs. It's OL and a lack of ability for receivers, be they WR/TE/RB, to reliably get separation. Maybe that's position coaching or OC play design. Most likely, it's a combination of those things plus lack of talent or inexperience or lack of chemistry (insofar as the OL is concerned).
Getting separation a few times per game doesn't cut it since the QB may not have enough time on those particular plays, or may be focused elsewhere on those particular plays, or might make bad throws on some or all of those particular plays, since even the very best QBs in the NFL are imperfect and need their team to help them out.
We must get better pass protection and better production from receivers. Otherwise, the coaching staff can call as many pass plays as they want, and play any of our QBs, or let Peyton Manning play QB, and the QBs will look bad.
And it really has nothing to do with GS's defense-first philosophy. The HC insisting upon more and deeper passing plays, when the QBs often have little time or the receivers don't get open, is a great way to ensure a loss. Had we attempted it against BC or Temple, we would have lost both games.
We recruited a bunch of OL in the offseason and, while they have struggled so far, there have been signs of improvement over last year. They're new to playing with each other, and it was clear that lack of chemistry was a factor last Saturday. IMO, that is likely to improve with more experience together.
The receiving end of things is possibly a tougher nut to crack. I think it's a legitimate criticism of the offense, both play design and execution, to say that we should be doing a better job of finding ways to get players open (quickly) in the passing game. No doubt the coaching staff all see that, too, and are working on it.
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In Gavin’s case, the Wagner game should speak for itself. Anyone who thinks he should’ve come out firing is a moron. Gavin was not disciplined enough yet to avoid getting picked off by a high school level team with all the time in the world to throw. After Wagner, he wasn’t getting the green light to fire away except during garbage time. I don’t care who the coach is - that’d be the situation following Wagner. It’s unfortunately where he’s at.
Simon, I honestly don’t know why. We’re not at practice though so we have no idea what’s being observed. The only thing we do know for sure is that Noah had the green light to throw the ball a lot more on a consistent basis last season. This tells me the play calling is going to look different when he returns, for better or worse.
I agree that was the case last year. The jury is still out on this year. There was only 1 QB hurry and 2 sacks on Simon in the Temple game. While the pass protection could’ve been better, the reason we ran 80% of the plays wasn’t because Simon couldn’t get throws off. The staff thought we would eventually wear them down running the ball (which was true to an extent) and they didn’t trust Simon not to lose the game for us with a turnover.
I am expecting play action with 3 verticals from WRs and a TE seam to start the game. Maybe 2 WRs and a TE seam.
The stats don't reflect him getting rid of the ball pretty quickly, before being hurried or sacked. IMO, he did fine, considering. He was throwing balls long and OOB when the coverage was tight, and I'm good with that.
I think Simon will be fine, and even Wimsatt if he gets a few more games under him. And Vedral as well, should he be healthy, although he may need a game to get up to speed.
Biggest concern, for me, is receiving. If we cannot get quick separation against Temple, except for a couple/few times, then how're we gonna do it against teams with much better athletes on D?
I have been wondering, maybe hoping is the better word, if Gleeson has been holding out a lot in terms of employing more creativity and more "spread" in the play calling.
Seems like a risky strategy, if so. Especially since we're not winning any conference titles this year anyway and it's more important, from a recruiting standpoint, to get to six wins if at all possible making the 3 OOC games critical to win.
OTOH, holding back multiple TE sets or other stuff Gleeson has used in the past w/other teams might have been a calculation that we could win the first 3 and still hide a lot of stuff we'll need to win in our conference.
I dunno. It's a theory, but one I don't really believe. I think it's more likely the coaches did everything they could to win and threw everything they thought the players could execute out on the field. Guess we'll find out Saturday.
For me its a mix of issues. RU's offensive line is large and run blocks well - but is having trouble with coordinated pass protection. Knowing that RU would be run focused - Temple could gamble on D by playing a box heavy / run blitz focused D. RU did not adjust to this - likely because of the relative inexperience/ineffectiveness of the QB play (mostly Simon since GW played only 1 or 2 series). I personally think that RU would have had a better offensive output if Wimsatt had he not gotten injured. He would have been the more effective choice over Simon in the Temple game since he would present a more dynamic QB read/option presence for Temple to worry about in both scrambling and the run game. People here do not like Noah due to his relative lack of arm strength - but IMO the playbook/passing game will open up significantly if/when he returns. It doesn't need to be only about 50 yard post patterns.....RU has a good enough run blocking O-Line and RB's and may just need enough of a passing game to keep defenses honest.
I think there were some opportunities for Evan to make plays but he was focused on one receiver vs. looking for another one who was open. I’m sure that will get reviewed on film and he’ll learn. Or it’s possible he was kept on a leash and didn’t have the green light to alter plays down field. No idea.
As ready (or not) as Warner was to play - his Pick 6 was the main culprit for his team losing. The objective is to win the game regardless of style points.
Mild… if pass protection is the issue, how come not one screen to the flat, middle screen or TE target ?
And every vertical pass to the deep corner ? The plays you see aren’t about pass protection. They are about rigid philosophy to run, punt and play D.
They didn’t nothing to keep that devastating Temple defense honest.
Because of that, it took what will be the play of the year to beat Temple.
And every vertical pass to the deep corner ? The plays you see aren’t about pass protection. They are about rigid philosophy to run, punt and play D.
They didn’t nothing to keep that devastating Temple defense honest.
Because of that, it took what will be the play of the year to beat Temple.
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All teams have to do a full gameplan on langan no matter who our QB is so he doesnt move the needle
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This is the key- if all our passing plays are outside the lines and inside of 15 yds- what happens when they get pressure and we try something like a middle screen- or any type of screen, is that all of their defenders are within 15 yds and can close that gap very fast. If there is a true threat of a longer pass play, at least 2-4 DB's will be 20-25 yds off when the screen is completed.
I don't think we have enough information to form a valid theory on why the pass play selection has been what is has been. I mean, we can form lots of theories, but only from very limited data. So, IMO, our theories aren't worth much.
We may, however, have enough information to theorize why play calling, in general, has been conservative. Part of that is having a defensive-minded coach, which I'm okay with. Part of that is having an OL who haven't played games with each other before this season. And part of it is having a D that has demonstrated it can hold the other teams to a very low score. Under those conditions, why risk putting the ball in the air a ton when we can win without that risk?
We'll know more after Saturday. And even more after OSU, whom we will almost certainly fall behind on in the score and need to air things out to try to keep up, assuming we can actually execute any plays at all against OSU.
Let's see what happens. Or, you know, we could just beat up on the coach endlessly for some reason. 😃
You know my theory: defense-first philosophy is a recipe for poor recruiting and poor production. You don’t like our QBs or wideouts ? Me either. Why would talent come here if offense is an afterthought ?
You both are gonna be so upset when you find out that he had a nipple ring torn out.
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