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Al Golden this - Al Golden that - can't recruit...blah...blah..blah..they suck!

Last time I checked they are #10 in the country under Richt.

I don't even like Miami but you guys pile all this stuff at the foot of Flood but Richt in his first year has seemed to turn things around pretty quick???

To be honest not sold on Ash or that gimmick offense he runs - sure it's great if your good but if not your defense is on the field - a helluva long time.

IMO
 
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A couple of things here. He inherited:

2012 - 9th ranked class
2013 - 19
2014 - 12
2015 - 26
2016 - 21

And their ranking? We'll see. They've beaten:

Florida Atlantic
Florida A&M \
Appalachian State
Georgia Tech

...per Sagarin the 112th most difficult schedule to date. FSU, on the other hand, has played the 3rd most difficult to date.
 
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Okay - everybody is Al Golden's agent now...he got ripped on here for years and now we have Ash and they have Richt number 10 to our 110.

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Bottom line is a decent recruiter at Miami was going to pull in talent and that's the case if you look at their classes even under Golden..,the cupboard wasn't bare....same as Michigan. Now they both have decent coaches to go with the talent. Last year we had neither, especially as far as coaches...this year we're part way there with our staff.
 
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BABYBULL24 said:
Okay - everybody is Al Golden's agent now...he got ripped on here for years and now we have Ash and they have Richt number 10 to our 110.

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Golden still gets ripped here when his name is mentioned. Happened just last week so nothing about that has changed.
 
BABYBULL24 said:
Al Golden this - Al Golden that - can't recruit...blah...blah..blah..they suck!

Last time I checked they are #10 in the country under Richt.

I don't even like Miami but you guys pile all this stuff at the foot of Flood but Richt in his first year has seemed to turn things around pretty quick???

To be honest not sold on Ash or that gimmick offense he runs - sure it's great if your good but if not your defense is on the field - a helluva long time.

IMO
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got a great coach, thats it, players are mostly the same, graduated their best 7 players from last year, again, great coaching
 
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The line on Golden has always been that he is a good recruiter but a suspect coach, don't understand the point of this thread. Nobody claimed he was leaving their program in a mess. Flood couldn't recruit and he was a suspect coach, a deadly combination. He left the program in a shambles.
 
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Miami has always and forever had talent . Randy Shannons classes were insane, but they struck out at the QB position, thus holding them back. Finally they scored with Kaaya

It's simply makes the difference in 3-4 games a year.....nothing more nothing less
 
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I opened this thread and then I felt like I just got home from work and my wife is yelling at me for something I didn't know I did and I have no clue of WTF she is talking about and she just keeps going and going and going.

I have no idea if you are shilling for Golden, Richt or just want to stir up something random that kept you awake last night or something...
 
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EVERYBODY earning a living / looking to continue earning a living as a D-1 College Football Coach recognized that Miami could be a quick turn around
- nobody in the coaching world was clucking their tongue and saying "Oh Miami... that's a long term salvage operation ... they have been left with very little to work with ... it will be year before they are seriously competitive"
Miami was putting top tier money on the table for a high-name-recognition coach - because they knew they had a high level base of talent that if properly coached & supplemented with some select additions (that a high-name-recognition coach could pull in) - could pay off.
 
Miami would have top twenty classes just recruiting legacies from their glory years.
 
I still have no idea what babybullshit was talking about...It seems that a few of you know the point he is trying to make and arguing but I don't know what to even discuss by his posts?
 
At some point ash will have to own up for the state of our program. We can't keep blaming flood for every screw up and shortcoming. Personally,I feel the transition to the power spread should have been done in stages. The current situation on offense is due to the oc trying to force a system on kids not suited for it. Better coaching would have helped.
 
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At some point ash will have to own up for the state of our program. We can't keep blaming flood for every screw up and shortcoming. Personally,I feel the transition to the power spread should have been done in stages. The current situation on offense is due to the oc trying to force a system on kids not suited for it. Better coaching would have helped.
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Yeah and that point in time is not this year.
 
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We all know the hire should have been Al Golden but as usual the school decided to go a more fiscally prudent route. I have nothing against coach Ash and wish him nothing but success. But he does not have head coaching experience nor does he have enough star power to recruit top 20 classes at least for the next four years. I will not even discuss the offensive coordinator and the craziness he is trying to implement with kids who are not suited for a spread offense.
 
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AreYouNUTS said:
A couple of things here. He inherited:

2012 - 9th ranked class
2013 - 19
2014 - 12
2015 - 26
2016 - 21

And their ranking? We'll see. They've beaten:

Florida Atlantic
Florida A&M \
Appalachian State
Georgia Tech

...per Sagarin the 112th most difficult schedule to date. FSU, on the other hand, has played the 3rd most difficult to date.
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With that schedule so far would RU be ranked 10th in the country if undefeated? Probably not but the whole RU board vibe would be different now. I don't even bother with rankings until week 7 in college football. The rankingtards love building up teams that are not proven yet.

GO RU
 
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The major difference is that Miami Dade and Broward County kids WANT to stay home and play for the U. We have a much harder sell regardless of who the coach is.
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Hah. Not entirely true as there's plenty to go around. There's a shit load of kids that leave also....see schools like Louisville and the old Mountaineers just to name a few of many.....they'd be irrelevant without the Florida kids
 
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We all know the hire should have been Al Golden but as usual the school decided to go a more fiscally prudent route.
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Oh gosh, what are you talking about? You must like the Detroit Lions where Al Golden is an asistant to an assistant to an assistant on the staff. That guy would be best suited to coaching high school football in Monmouth county.

GO RU
 
Ash has put together a better recruiting class right now than any we've seen in the past 4 years under Flood. This is a testament to how for real he is, what he's managed to do is a miracle thus far.

Every thread that openly doubts Ash on this board hurts it. Every single one. You're starting to build a negative narrative that can potentially unravel our recruiting. If you can't see the improvement on defense, you're blind. Our offense is not a gimmick, you idiot, it's run by dozens of programs across the country. We don't have the pieces for it and when we do you'll see the improvement.

If these threads continue, don't start crying when the recruiting turns. Ash has had to play against 3 of the top 5 teams in the country in his first 5 games. We have no idea what we have yet, and when it comes to recruiting he's pulling off a miracle. Thank god these recruits are smarter than the fans thus far, and understand what Ash wants to do. But if that changes, remember threads like this openly doubting Ash. Remember NJ.com trolls this board for threads like this. Because once the negative narrative gets started, it's really hard to reverse and it will have started with know nothing fans, like this.
 
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We all know the hire should have been Al Golden but as usual the school decided to go a more fiscally prudent route. I have nothing against coach Ash and wish him nothing but success. But he does not have head coaching experience nor does he have enough star power to recruit top 20 classes at least for the next four years. I will not even discuss the offensive coordinator and the craziness he is trying to implement with kids who are not suited for a spread offense.
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I was actually lobbying for you for HC, with letterman as your OC. Golden never even got back in the conversation once we considered hiring you.
 
RU31trap said:
We all know the hire should have been Al Golden but as usual the school decided to go a more fiscally prudent route. I have nothing against coach Ash and wish him nothing but success. But he does not have head coaching experience nor does he have enough star power to recruit top 20 classes at least for the next four years. I will not even discuss the offensive coordinator and the craziness he is trying to implement with kids who are not suited for a spread offense.
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We all "know that"? I sure don't. On the one hand you have a coach who recruited well at a powerhouse but couldn't win arguably the weakest division in the power 5 despite having all those players. On the other we have a top assistant who was DC at Wisky/OSU for multiple Big Ten championships and a national title. Who coached under the best in the sport for 2 years. Golden wouldn't have cost that much more than Ash. Dan Mullen would have and that's who I would have preferred if we went after a HC with HC experience. Golden does not have "star power" so not sure where you are pulling that from.
 
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Miami won 8 games last year, not 4. 2 losses by 6 points or less from being a 10 win team, but that's the same situation as Rutgers.

Riiiiight.
 
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No one ever said Golden couldn't recruit. It's pretty clear that he could. The problem in Miami was never talent. It has been on the sideline and on the practice field. When they get good coaches, they win. All of the arguments about stars and recruiting class rankings always ignore the most important part of building a winning program: player development.
 
VERY EASY. Miami got rid of a coach who couldnt recruit Miami/South Florida HS kids to go to Miami and one who wouldnt get rid of his best buddy/defensive coordinator who dragged the program down.

They got a coach whose worst record in 13 years was 6-7 (once) and won two SEC championships (2002 and 2005), six SEC Eastern Division titles (2002, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2011 and 2012), and nine bowl games. There should be an investigation if Miami dont make a return to a Top 10 stay.
 
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Exactly the same nonsense someone else posted a few days ago except asking how come Michigan was able to turn around so quickly? Amazes me how clueless some people are :chairshot:
 
Yes coaching is important, but you need kids to coach. If this class sticks, it's a great start. Hopefully we'll be able to see some turnaround in the last 6 games on offense, at least in the qb segment. Don't want to go into next spring in the same situation and even with a good class, how many will be able to contribute ?
Of course, if a qb is one of those players, things could accelerate. Just too many positions to fix at the moment and injuries don't help. Have to measure progress in small steps and remain positive.
 
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The major difference is that Miami Dade and Broward County kids WANT to stay home and play for the U. We have a much harder sell regardless of who the coach is.
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EXACTLY!!!!

I live in Fla and kids grow up DREAMING of playing for the "U"and their parents remember the UM glory years. Recruiting is a cinch. Even with all the terrible things UM got caught doing academically....now that the dust has settled, loads of talented kids want to go there and its still an easy academic road though they have "cleaned it up" a tad.
 
Miami has a really nice campus, a large number of alums in the NFL, and a tradition of football success, even though its been a while since they've won big. not difficult to recruit talent to UM. Their biggest problem has been coaching.
 
Wow, yet another post from a wildly impatient fan who thinks the team should be turned around already--and this even as our only real play maker on offense is out for the season.
 
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BABYBULL24 said:
Al Golden this - Al Golden that - can't recruit...blah...blah..blah..they suck!

Last time I checked they are #10 in the country under Richt.

I don't even like Miami but you guys pile all this stuff at the foot of Flood but Richt in his first year has seemed to turn things around pretty quick???

To be honest not sold on Ash or that gimmick offense he runs - sure it's great if your good but if not your defense is on the field - a helluva long time.

IMO
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