what do we think....great kid, great decision or do we attack him for not keeping his word.....just wondering.
So if we flip a kid to RU today
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Really... It's not about flipping a kid or de-committing. It's the fact the coach Ash was doing BC a favor by helping a kid out with no offers
I made no reference to that situation. But go check twitter and you will see a group of "fans" are still going at it woth him...although he seems to be taunting people
Flips happen all the time.
However if you are insinuating the the Idrizi flip was a "normal" flip then you are wrong. The guy was all ga-ga about getting the schollie, his family was in tears of joy, and 2 fracking days later he commits to BCU where the Bergen Catholic coach's brother, recently let go from RU , gets accolades?
It was a scumbag move by Idrizi, and a scumbag move by Nunzio. Anthony Campanile gets a pass, he's doing his job.
Idrizi should have never have committed if he knew BCU was interested. He showed a massive lack of respect for our coaches by flipping so quickly.
Anyway, he was no star, and I'm willing to bet he's going to regret it once the current BCU staff gets fired next year, and poor Anthony Campanile will probably be among them.
However if you are insinuating the the Idrizi flip was a "normal" flip then you are wrong. The guy was all ga-ga about getting the schollie, his family was in tears of joy, and 2 fracking days later he commits to BCU where the Bergen Catholic coach's brother, recently let go from RU , gets accolades?
It was a scumbag move by Idrizi, and a scumbag move by Nunzio. Anthony Campanile gets a pass, he's doing his job.
Idrizi should have never have committed if he knew BCU was interested. He showed a massive lack of respect for our coaches by flipping so quickly.
Anyway, he was no star, and I'm willing to bet he's going to regret it once the current BCU staff gets fired next year, and poor Anthony Campanile will probably be among them.
Here is how it works:
1. If the kid flips from RU to another school, then he is a spineless weasel who can't honor a commitment and we should attack furvently.
2. If the kid flips to RU, then we praise him for making a great decision.
1. If the kid flips from RU to another school, then he is a spineless weasel who can't honor a commitment and we should attack furvently.
2. If the kid flips to RU, then we praise him for making a great decision.
You're either with us or against us. There is no in between.
As I've said the reason to be upset with idrizi is because the timing screwed RU over for other TE prospects.
Until a coach can't pull an offer at any moment you can't sit around and hope another school offers. Schools show interest in many kids but never offer. Committing often secures that offer. If your a kid with few offers you take what you can get. We also don't know what pressure Ash and company put on the kid. They may have told him it he doesn't commit now the offer might not be there.
Not really. If you flip the right way, nobody really cares. If you flip like a douche (see Idrizi) then yea prepared to get bashed. Nobody bashed Russo when he flipped now did they?
There is a way to work through a genuine change of heart - and a dignified way to respectfully handle the transition. Idrizi & Nunzio Campanile failed to measure up to this sort of standard of behavior. It is as simple as that - ultimately it is on them - and we move on.
If there is a recruit that flips to RU - I hope they would be respectful and appreciative of the time & attention that had been dedicated to them by the other school & that they would convey their gratitude in a dignified & professional manner.
If there is a recruit that flips to RU - I hope they would be respectful and appreciative of the time & attention that had been dedicated to them by the other school & that they would convey their gratitude in a dignified & professional manner.
Ash would have waited 2 days. I'm pretty Ash didn't say "commit right now or the offer is off the table". If he did then I'm wrong and you are right.
He simply should not have committed. I'm over it. It was just very bad form by him.
Lonsdorf flipped the right way. Decommitted last week, thanked Uconn coaches, and committed to Rutgers..again thanking those involved in the process.
If u don't see how that is different than our recent decommit flip, don't know what to tell u.
But I do agree, those still going at it with him on twitter have to grow up and get over it
If u don't see how that is different than our recent decommit flip, don't know what to tell u.
But I do agree, those still going at it with him on twitter have to grow up and get over it
How was he to know BC was going to offer in two days? Ash might not have been that blunt but often they throw the line we only have one slot for a TE. The first one to commit get the slot.
If your at Best Buy and see a TV on sale but only one left to you buy it knowing you can return it or do you wait a few days to see if HHGregg has it cheaper in a few days?
Unfortunately for some kids who are not having offers from everywhere that is the decision they have to make. Both sides play games that aren't fair but it seems like the kids get ragged on the most by fans.
so you are saying that neither Idrizi nor Nunzio, the brother of a BCU coach had ZERO inkling that BCU might be offering? He got an offer and a visit 1 day? I call B.S. but who knows.
Until you see it writing you have to act as if it doesn't exist. He may have hoped or thought but many kids have been left out hoping.
What people take issue with is how the flip happens, there are sometimes circumstances that people have problems with. Flipping or not flipping and to which side are too broad.
yup, but, the problem is not with changing - it's with the consistent pattern of using RU as a "safety" school.... "I'll take her to the prom unless I can get a hotter girl to go"........ that has to end.
Idrizi was the most blatant example ever.....
If he hoped or thought he should have waited 2 days. The RU offer was not going to be rescinded. And if you hope or think a BCU offer is possible, don't act like getting the RU offer was your lifelong dream
It seemed like Idrizzi was begging for an offer, he didn't get one until he came on his visit and committed immediately. In fact there were articles that clearly stated that the kid had no other P5 offers and was hoping to get one during the visit. Why would Ash need to pressure a kid that had no other offers?
Another thing I don't understand is how some give Anthony Campanel credit for flipping the kid. When AC was at Rutgers the kid had no interest in RU, he said himself that he didn't connect with the previous staff and his interest in RU didn't start until he met the new staff. IMO, he would've gone to BC whether Campanile was there or not.
I agree, the kid flipping doesn't bother me at all...how he did it wasn't cool but that's more a reflection of him and his HS coach than it is of our staff.
Not sure of the timing, but BC had a TE decommit sometime over the last few days that prompted the offer.
Unreal the lack of any sense of loyalty by some....i'm just a Jersey guy who never went to RU...I CAN'T BELIEVE an alum would be so shallow..
Not every flip is the same. Patrice was treated much different than that nobody from Bergen County. For obvious reason.
Stupid thread.
Stupid thread.
Quite possible. But here is how you handle it--the guy was all over Twitter and the newspaper.
"I would like to apologize to the Rutgers coaches but I have decided to accept a scholarship offer from Boston College. I was a little too quick to pull the trigger and when making a big decision like this I want to make sure I'm making the right decision for me. I appreciate the RU coaches for showing faith in my ability and this isn't easy but I feel I have to do this"
He says that and people say, OK fine kid, have a nice life.
Instead he puts out a picture of him in a BCU jersey saying how much he wants to play for them.
This is my last word on the topic because I honestly think we are going to get a far better TE prospect in the next year.
Truthfully we should consider ourselves lucky..he had a gift we really couldn't afford to give given back to use more wisely...it was more a PR move and BC needed the PR more than us given their situation and isolation from any real talent..
And if Notre Dame suddenly offers this kid, how long before he tweets his dream school has offered and is committing there? Boston College has been a non factor in NJ recruiting the last couple of years, I know we lost Hillman to them couple of years ago, but last year I think they had 2 from NJ.
Was actually just thinking in general, I implied nothing about yesterday Babir is still going at with our fans or vice versa, and we take kids that committed only recently when say a UConn threw them a life line. I Think the answer is obvious, as per the one answer "all is fair" and when some one is for us they are great, and when they aren't with us they aren't.
But please clarify, what do you think I implied and what do I own?
I would say that most likely the case. I'll bet that BC was willing to try to bring him in as a preferred walk on. When Idrizi accepted a ship from RU, it forced BC to up their game. I don't believe for a second that this kid knew that BC was going to offer him a ship before he accepted the RU offer. He and his family's appreciation of the RU offer was too genuine for me believe that this was all an act that was orchestrated by the Camp brothers. Anyone that believes that also needs to be told that there is no boogie man or Easter Bunny. I would not say anything about Santa Claus though.
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