Some NIL Clarification 🗣
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Hobbs probably in hiding right now.
Never understood why fans need to pay the salaries of college players. Schools should pay with the TV revenue.
If a fan wants to buy a players shirt or autograph that is one thing. But I would never donate to pay for play. Especially when there are no contracts and player can leave literally the next day after taking the cash.
If a fan wants to buy a players shirt or autograph that is one thing. But I would never donate to pay for play. Especially when there are no contracts and player can leave literally the next day after taking the cash.
Could say the same for a coaches salaries
Or more importantly a coaches buy-out.
The biggest money advantage isn't NIL - its Nebraska being able to fire HC Frost 4 weeks earlier just because they raises millions from donors.
Alternatively, Rutgers gets stuck with a losing coach for years because we don't have the donor cash to pay the buyout.
I really think the original people that came up with NIL and college players had meant it to be directly from funds schools received for things like Madden games, jersey's sneaker deals, etc...It would have been very easy to control as well.
Colleges are getting more money than ever from TV revenue yet fans have to pay more than ever for coaches and players. Just where is all the money going?
Cause Hobbs is doing a poor job when it comes to NIL. Let’s see if these guidelines help.
You don't know shit, and your comments are not helpful.
N.J. should repeal law for college athletes to profit off name and likeness, give schools immediate oversight, top lawmaker says
The main sponsor of the original law said in a statement to NJ Advance Media he doesn’t intend to repeal the statute but is instead working to strengthen it.
Very insightful article. Dick Codey has it right, but other dicks in our legislature see it differently and seem to want to hamstring athletics in NJ compared to other states: “This issue belongs in the hands of the institutions,” Codey said. “They know the landscape in which they are competing. And let’s face it, the Rutgers football team and the Rutgers and Seton Hall basketball teams that compete at the highest levels of the NCAA have a very different situation than a junior college.”N.J. should repeal law for college athletes to profit off name and likeness, give schools immediate oversight, top lawmaker says
The main sponsor of the original law said in a statement to NJ Advance Media he doesn’t intend to repeal the statute but is instead working to strengthen it.www.nj.com
I like the way you support Rutgers on Twitter. You are a loyal and dedicated fan. But is is strange that you and @MrsScrew (another loyal fan) liked @RUBlackout7 's asinine comment above about Hobbs being in hiding. Why is that? The rest of this post is not directed at you. It's directed at the stone throwers who contribute nothing but stone throwing and dissent, something they seemingly enjoy.
Pat Hobbs has advanced Rutgers Athletics more in 7 years than any prior AD, perhaps excluding Bob Mulcahy. What he has done with fundraising, building projects, improvements, and raising the profile of all sports has been nothing short of incredible. Let's give credit where credit is due. Can we celebrate what he and Pike have done with Mens' basketball and other sports? Of course not. In typical fashion, our so-called fans find ways to ignore successes and invent in their own minds and propagate their garbage onto message boards that he is doing something wrong.
The NCAA finally made a significant change today, one that will make things easier on institutions like Rutgers. Yet, @RUBlackout7 sees fit to call out Pat Hobbs the same day the rule change comes out. Change does not happen overnight. Was Pat supposed to change his entire schedule and attend multiple events promoting NILs this evening?
Judging by the sentiment on this board and the multiple threads and posts by people who are fans of the program, many are still reticent, or even worse, not behind NIL as it is currently rolling out, which has basically turned into pay for play. That was not the original intent of NIL. It was an opportunity for athletes to make money on their name, image and likeness. What have the two major collectives raised to date--not very much by published information, likely short of $1 Million? Considering the frugality of our fanbase, this is nothing short of amazing, and the organizers of these collectives should be profusely thanked. But it is nowhere near enough.
It would be nice to hear what some of the genius critics exactly what they expect Pat Hobbs should do at this juncture. Because I have spoken with several mid-level donors who are not on board, and there is really not much that can be said by Pat, Greg or anyone else that is going to change their mind while the current system is basically a pay for play system. So, what exactly are you expecting when: (1) Our fanbase is historically cheap; (2) at least as expressed here by some of our most vocal fans, many fans are not behind the current concept of NIL. Let's hear your suggestions instead of taking cheap shots.
In my view, the reality is that raising NIL money will likely and largely fall upon the four (maybe 5 or a few more) families that have historically supported the program. Some more many come in the from the collectives, but these amounts will pale in comparison to what the major donors provide. Again, this is because (1) our fanbase is historically cheap; (2) our fanbase has a vocal number that are against the concept of NIL as it stands right now as a pay for play system. I don't see Pat Hobbs, Greg Schiano or anyone else changing that.
It is ironic that some of Rutgers Athletics and the AD's loudest critics probably give the smallest amounts or next to nothing. How up putting up or shutting up?
And another thing on NIL, as it is currently operating--how's it working out for the dumpster fires that are Texas A&M and Miami, two programs that are purportedly "owning" the NIL market? Be careful what you wish for. Maybe it is smart to proceed with caution and not rush into this without having a clear vision and common sense system. But no, the petulant children in our fanbase are Veruca Salts who have to have everything right now.
See these thread for more on how it's currently working out for the Aggies and da U:
Big NIL payments don't necessarily buy wins
"If name, image and likeness benefits were directly tied to wins, Miami could just about punch its ticket to the College Football Playoff. Texas A&M would be close, at least according to Nick Saban's offseason estimation. Texas would truly be back." Texas scholarship offensive linemen get $50K...
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Semi OT-Texas A&M Is A Complete And Total Dumpster Fire As Players Are Suspended
It’s been an absolute train wreck of a season for the Texas A&M Aggies. They are 3-4 on the season and tied for last in the SEC West with a 1-3 conference record. And, they’ve embarrassed themselves off the field, too Their loss to lowly South Carolina on Saturday was especially humiliating, as...
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@Knight Shift talk to Knights of the Raritan founding board member @wkbrdr3448 for 45 minutes 1:1 as I did and get back to me.
No one is denying that Hobbs has helped make significant progress for RU Athletics since he got here, the NIL stuff has been a bit different.
No one is denying that Hobbs has helped make significant progress for RU Athletics since he got here, the NIL stuff has been a bit different.
As I said in a different thread yesterday, the high school players you buy with NIL money do not immediately become college seniors. This isn't Chris Webber and Juwon Howard - you can't win in football with all freshmen. Give it three years and then let us know how A&M and Miami are doing with a full team of purchased players.
Let’s meet over a nice cold beverage & burger & I’ll explain why, off the record off course!Very insightful article. Dick Codey has it right, but other dicks in our legislature see it differently and seem to want to hamstring athletics in NJ compared to other states: “This issue belongs in the hands of the institutions,” Codey said. “They know the landscape in which they are competing. And let’s face it, the Rutgers football team and the Rutgers and Seton Hall basketball teams that compete at the highest levels of the NCAA have a very different situation than a junior college.”
I like the way you support Rutgers on Twitter. You are a loyal and dedicated fan. But is is strange that you and @MrsScrew (another loyal fan) liked @RUBlackout7 's asinine comment above about Hobbs being in hiding. Why is that? The rest of this post is not directed at you. It's directed at the stone throwers who contribute nothing but stone throwing and dissent, something they seemingly enjoy.
Pat Hobbs has advanced Rutgers Athletics more in 7 years than any prior AD, perhaps excluding Bob Mulcahy. What he has done with fundraising, building projects, improvements, and raising the profile of all sports has been nothing short of incredible. Let's give credit where credit is due. Can we celebrate what he and Pike have done with Mens' basketball and other sports? Of course not. In typical fashion, our so-called fans find ways to ignore successes and invent in their own minds and propagate their garbage onto message boards that he is doing something wrong.
The NCAA finally made a significant change today, one that will make things easier on institutions like Rutgers. Yet, @RUBlackout7 sees fit to call out Pat Hobbs the same day the rule change comes out. Change does not happen overnight. Was Pat supposed to change his entire schedule and attend multiple events promoting NILs this evening?
Judging by the sentiment on this board and the multiple threads and posts by people who are fans of the program, many are still reticent, or even worse, not behind NIL as it is currently rolling out, which has basically turned into pay for play. That was not the original intent of NIL. It was an opportunity for athletes to make money on their name, image and likeness. What have the two major collectives raised to date--not very much by published information, likely short of $1 Million? Considering the frugality of our fanbase, this is nothing short of amazing, and the organizers of these collectives should be profusely thanked. But it is nowhere near enough.
It would be nice to hear what some of the genius critics exactly what they expect Pat Hobbs should do at this juncture. Because I have spoken with several mid-level donors who are not on board, and there is really not much that can be said by Pat, Greg or anyone else that is going to change their mind while the current system is basically a pay for play system. So, what exactly are you expecting when: (1) Our fanbase is historically cheap; (2) at least as expressed here by some of our most vocal fans, many fans are not behind the current concept of NIL. Let's hear your suggestions instead of taking cheap shots.
In my view, the reality is that raising NIL money will likely and largely fall upon the four (maybe 5 or a few more) families that have historically supported the program. Some more many come in the from the collectives, but these amounts will pale in comparison to what the major donors provide. Again, this is because (1) our fanbase is historically cheap; (2) our fanbase has a vocal number that are against the concept of NIL as it stands right now as a pay for play system. I don't see Pat Hobbs, Greg Schiano or anyone else changing that.
It is ironic that some of Rutgers Athletics and the AD's loudest critics probably give the smallest amounts or next to nothing. How up putting up or shutting up?
And another thing on NIL, as it is currently operating--how's it working out for the dumpster fires that are Texas A&M and Miami, two programs that are purportedly "owning" the NIL market? Be careful what you wish for. Maybe it is smart to proceed with caution and not rush into this without having a clear vision and common sense system. But no, the petulant children in our fanbase are Veruca Salts who have to have everything right now.
See these thread for more on how it's currently working out for the Aggies and da U:
Big NIL payments don't necessarily buy wins
"If name, image and likeness benefits were directly tied to wins, Miami could just about punch its ticket to the College Football Playoff. Texas A&M would be close, at least according to Nick Saban's offseason estimation. Texas would truly be back." Texas scholarship offensive linemen get $50K...
Semi OT-Texas A&M Is A Complete And Total Dumpster Fire As Players Are Suspended
It’s been an absolute train wreck of a season for the Texas A&M Aggies. They are 3-4 on the season and tied for last in the SEC West with a 1-3 conference record. And, they’ve embarrassed themselves off the field, too Their loss to lowly South Carolina on Saturday was especially humiliating, as...
I liken the disadvantage NJ has (and to a certain extent, Pat's hands being tied) to the chicken / egg scenario.
We're not beating any of the big boys right now, but there's little juice in the program. Why? B/c they're blowing us out, or offense is boring and lacking playmakers, and we're losing to teams that we should be nearly on par with
Solution? Spend big $$, hire quality coaches, and make this team enjoyable to watch. Coach up the 3 star kids to at least compete with the big boys, and start beating our peers. We have a 50k stadium - make it the place to be, freshen it up (suites, club seats, etc.), create buzz,
Get some excitement in the program, get the juice flowing, create momentum, and it'll be harder for the state legislature and naysayers to keep $$ away / not change NIL rules
Get corporations on board, go for broke with them. Hire a dedicated team of NIL $ seekers (not direstly through unversity, but they can broker it behind the scenes)
Will it work? Who knows. But I keep saying this - before NIL, we stood no chance of competiting. Now, there's at least some hope. But it's only hope if we can get that $$ (right now, there's very little of it coming in)
We're not beating any of the big boys right now, but there's little juice in the program. Why? B/c they're blowing us out, or offense is boring and lacking playmakers, and we're losing to teams that we should be nearly on par with
Solution? Spend big $$, hire quality coaches, and make this team enjoyable to watch. Coach up the 3 star kids to at least compete with the big boys, and start beating our peers. We have a 50k stadium - make it the place to be, freshen it up (suites, club seats, etc.), create buzz,
Get some excitement in the program, get the juice flowing, create momentum, and it'll be harder for the state legislature and naysayers to keep $$ away / not change NIL rules
Get corporations on board, go for broke with them. Hire a dedicated team of NIL $ seekers (not direstly through unversity, but they can broker it behind the scenes)
Will it work? Who knows. But I keep saying this - before NIL, we stood no chance of competiting. Now, there's at least some hope. But it's only hope if we can get that $$ (right now, there's very little of it coming in)
We’re not beating any of the Factory schools correct, but have come real close last “2” years vs Michigan, OSU unfortunately is another story.
Solution?! Spend big $$?!
Conference $$ should certainly help
Offset some of these issues/concerns.
$100 million earmarked in the new state budget for renovations to the RAC & a new Football operations should also certainly help.
Hire quality coaches?! What’s wrong with the current coaching staff we have here now?!
Get some excitement & momentum 🤔 were you at the Nebraska/Iowa game?!
As far as NIL, we need all hands on deck.
Knights of the Raritan just announced their subscription option for businesses to join the fray & partner up.
I’m also hopeful a full time person/s will be hired by the University’ to help handle NIL affairs.
We are not beating Michigan anytime soon, we had our chance the last two years and blew it.
Aside from Fran Brown, nobody is particularly impressing me, especially on the recruiting trail. Let’s see what nuncio can do
yes I was at both of Nebraska and Iowa games, and if that’s what you consider exciting I don’t know what to tell you.
It pales in comparison to what we could and should be, and have been in the past - and if that’s the level of excitement we are striving for, that we are in huge trouble
The one thing we can agree on is that we certainly need all hands on deck for NIL. It will take a Herculean effort on all fronts, but it absolutely can be done as we are located in the tri-state area and have a massive amount of untapped potential
There is absolutely no need to throw anyone under the bus at this point. The NIL situation is a mess. But it seems that's what Rutgers fans like to do. Maybe people would be happy if Rutgers pulled Julie Hermann from her real estate gig in Louisville, and she could be AD again. People should stop with the posts taking veiled shots, unless they want to reveal detailed information. There are a lot of moving parts. Things just changed yesterday, and change does not happen overnight. This will not stop the usual troublemakers from inciting chaos and dissent.
Yea, we had our chances @ beating Michigan & blew it, the we are not beating Michigan anytime soon comment I’ll respectfully disagree with.
I’ve been @ every home game since GS has been at the helm. My point was building excitement & momentum is never easy with a Fickle/Bandwagon fanbase. Those “2” games mentioned were certainly a start.
Fran Brown pre-NIL or post-NIL?!
yes, he could certainly recruit but as we all SEE NOW, recruiting has drastically changed with the #NIL making it all about the offer (in most cases) rather than the fit.
Except it really doesn't change anything because the path upwards for a program like ours hasn't changed with NIL. You have to make more with less and get buzz going by playing over your heads with exciting football. Building a program brick by brick up to Ohio State level, which many of our fans seem to think is the way to go, will not happen for us. Our program has to find a way to make a splash without blue chip talent and then hope to attract it later as a result. Even NIL money is not going to attract players if the team is boring and never wins much of anything. They'll go to someone with money who also already wins.
Michigan is not unbeatable, this year or any other. Does that mean we will beat them this year? Not likely but anyone thinking they are untouchable hasn't been watching
We literally had no shot long-term to compete before. All of this GS slogans with the CHOP family etc. do not equate to wins when you’re competing against the Alabama, Ohio State, etc. of the world
Do you honestly think we are going to be Michigan in the next 5 to 7 years? They are rolling right now and we had our chance and blew it the past two years.
Fran took the money out Georgia and you cannot blame him, but it is undeniable that he had staying with regrets is extremely instrumental and Recruiting. Yes and I are has a lot to do with his future success, but some guys can recruit in Siberia and some guys just can’t measure up, and he is one of the top guys and all the college football
Yes, i do believe Rutgers will beat a factory school within that timeframe.
Fran Brown was special no doubt but as mentioned #NIL has changed recruiting drastically…
Fran Brown was special no doubt but as mentioned #NIL has changed recruiting drastically…
I’d love to meet posters on this site 😃
we should have a Rivals get together @Richard Schnyderite make it happen.
we should have a Rivals get together @Richard Schnyderite make it happen.
Not at all - but I am a realist
Pre NIL, we weren’t winning anything of significance
Recruting wasn’t there and we’re too far behind the 8 ball money / etc wise
Now we at least have the potential if we can land a few major sponsors / donors
Agree 💯 Now we at least have the potential if we can land a few major sponsors / donors..
We're not competing with the Alabama and Ohio State of the world, not yet.
How about at a tailgate at the next game? We should be in the Yellow lot by 5 p.m.
Need to have a plan instead of just throwing money around aimlessly like A&M:
Got it, and appreciate it. You can take your number down, unless you don't care.
DI board approves clarifications for interim NIL policy - NCAA.org
The Division I Board of Directors has issued updated guidance to member schools about the interim name, image and likeness policy.
www.ncaa.org
