Start Reiber on Edey?

[Scangg]

I'm not personally attacking you. You're more doing that to me. It's just a really bad idea that doesn't have any logic to it.

Look at the title and post of the thread. It's about Reiber not Wolf. I'd still disagree with sitting Cliff, but starting Wolf instead is sooooo much better of an idea than Dean

Dean is an undersized 5 who lacks strength and doesn't like to play physical. Edey is a monster huge physical 5. It's the absolute worst possible defensive matchup for Dean. He had zero success last year and the clips clearly show that but for some reason you are mocking the evidence

I'm not here to rip you personally. I just think it's a really really bad idea and I don't understand how you cannot see that. But hey it's a message board. You can have your opinion and stick with it if you want

 

[GotEmmm]

This is the dumbest post I have ever seen. Posting two plays from last year not to play Reiber lol? Cliff didn't do well either!!

The irony here is too much.

 

[FinalFourOrBust]

Ok bro, since Sofa King hit a turn around hook against Riebs, don't play him. WTF Bro?!?!

You’re embarrassing yourself here. Take a lap.

 

[wheezer]

Really this is just a foolish discussion. Cliff should start and will start.

I agree he should and will start

But I also think it is more likely than not the refs call two quick ones on him

Sometimes games are called differently depending on where you are, and it is probably not intentional

 

[Degaz-RU]

Why are we even talking about this ridiculous idea?

 

[billgumpper]

Why not? Reiber shut down TJD. If he picks up early fouls, who cares? Maybe Rutgers can hold serve early. Save Big Cliff.

They triple teamed TDJ. Edey will hang 15 on him in the blink of an eye.

 

[Kbee3]

Personally, I think they should start Caleb on Edey.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Lol ok you all laugh...if Cliff picks up 2 fouls early and rides pine all game we will revisit.

I have suggested same a few times.. but CLiff seems to be more in-control lately. A few opponents seemed to target him early.. try to get early fouls on him... maybe Purdue will do it. Maybe if we see that we pull Cliff and put him on bench for a couple minutes so Purdue won't have the plan as easily active like off an opening tip. Or how about this.. we start Rieber and have him try to get Edey some fouls.

 

[Rokodesh]

Let’s start Aiden Terry while we are at it. Have him start a fight with Edey and get both out of the game.

He can wrap around his legs like Van Gundy to Alonzo Mourning 😂😂

 

[BillyC80]

Why not? Reiber shut down TJD.

If that’s the case then we may as well start Cliff, let him foul out, then have Reiber “shut down” Edey to finish off the victory.

 

[RedTeam1994]

I seem to recall Pike did something similar with Myles (who tended to get lots of very early calls) - had someone else start. Am I misremembering that?

I can see Purdue going after cliff big time to pick up some calls and get him on the bench

So starting someone else to avoid early garbage calls isn’t totally absurd or unprecedented- pike has done it before

But agree if anyone plays that role it would be woolfolk. I too remember Reiber getting thrown around like a rag doll against Edey last year

But don’t think it’s as necessary here - the Big10 refs really seemed to have it out for Myles (no idea why - that OSU game for example they seemed intent on getting him out) but Cliff gets a fair whistle.

So, really, what needs to happen OBVIOUSLY is cliff needs to start, be smart, and hope the refs don’t have a quick whistle to start the game

Plus Bo Boroski retired so….

 

[RUtrumpet92]

This is a terrible idea.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

This is dumb because you actually want Edey to score.

A) Thr game plan isn't going to change. Any 2 point baeket is fine.....what you don't want are wide open 3s, to rotation players, because Edey gets a bunch of points.

B) Edey getting Cliff in Foul trouble isn't relevant. Cliff can get Edey in foul trouble, which Edey WILL NOT wamt to do. Cliff should be able to get points.

C) Both coaches would rather give up points vs believing, every possession is life or death. Playing smart means, if Edey gets position, don't compound the mistake by fouling.

D) Edey is fine scoring 26 to 30 points. It's no different than Trevion Williams AND Edey last year. Play the post 1 on 1....if they score inside, fine. Just crash the boards and keep the secondary front court players from getting offensive rebounds.

E) No one has asked how Purdue and Edey is going to stop Cliff from getting position and potentially dunking. What happens if Edey gets in foul trouble???

Reiber is not going to do anything on the glass which is why Woolfolk has passed him. You need to secure tough rebounds. Woolfolk, Mag, Hyatt and the guards are better rebounders than Purdue has. They have to get on the glass and stay with shooters.

Purdue has more problems matching up with RU, than the other way around.

A) Mulcahy can post up their small guards. Paul has to actually score vs passing too much.

B) Simpson can get his own shot off against their guards. We should be able to get points from our bench.

C) Caleb McConnell will be able to get to midrange against their wings. Those shots will be available.

D) Someone has to stay attached from Purdue, on Cam Spencer....which will open up others. Spencer needs to move without the ball and make Purdue define their defense.

If Edey scores 26 to 30 and you limit Purdue taking 3s, RU wins.

If Edey is doubled and we give up wide open 3s, RU loses by 10 to 15.

 

[Scarlet83]

You are a great poster, but I just don't see things as you do here. Cliff will get nabbed for two in first 2:30, and ride pine all game.

Such a defeatist attitude.

Have a little faith in Cliff. And the coaching staff for designing a strong defensive game plan.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Whatever man. You know that's stupid.

That was my intent

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

What I have been saying all week

Get back on defense first and not letting him set up so close to the basket . Make him shoot from 8-10’feet ..pushing the entire offense further away from the hoop

That’s what wolf did at the end of the first half
Of the OSU game against key…and it changed the game

Edey is defended by all 5 guys. The heavy lifting is by our perimeter defenders requiring contested entry passes to Edey from 30 feet.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

NJH not agreeing with C. The defensive possessions are life and death to RU. Everything else I totally agree with (especially spelling of our backup 5).

One thing I will add….players have a finite amount of energy. Edey can dominate for a 4 minute stretch, but he can’t the entire game. Putting pressure on him when he is on D zaps his power meter. Cant use the turbo button all game. Game not on easy mode.

 

[Scarlet83]

This is dumb because you actually want Edey to score.

A) Thr game plan isn't going to change. Any 2 point baeket is fine.....what you don't want are wide open 3s, to rotation players, because Edey gets a bunch of points.

B) Edey getting Cliff in Foul trouble isn't relevant. Cliff can get Edey in foul trouble, which Edey WILL NOT wamt to do. Cliff should be able to get points.

C) Both coaches would rather give up points vs believing, every possession is life or death. Playing smart means, if Edey gets position, don't compound the mistake by fouling.

D) Edey is fine scoring 26 to 30 points. It's no different than Trevion Williams AND Edey last year. Play the post 1 on 1....if they score inside, fine. Just crash the boards and keep the secondary front court players from getting offensive rebounds.

E) No one has asked how Purdue and Edey is going to stop Cliff from getting position and potentially dunking. What happens if Edey gets in foul trouble???

Reiber is not going to do anything on the glass which is why Woolfolk has passed him. You need to secure tough rebounds. Woolfolk, Mag, Hyatt and the guards are better rebounders than Purdue has. They have to get on the glass and stay with shooters.

Purdue has more problems matching up with RU, than the other way around.

A) Mulcahy can post up their small guards. Paul has to actually score vs passing too much.

B) Simpson can get his own shot off against their guards. We should be able to get points from our bench.

C) Caleb McConnell will be able to get to midrange against their wings. Those shots will be available.

D) Someone has to stay attached from Purdue, on Cam Spencer....which will open up others. Spencer needs to move without the ball and make Purdue define their defense.

If Edey scores 26 to 30 and you limit Purdue taking 3s, RU wins.

If Edey is doubled and we give up wide open 3s, RU loses by 10 to 15.

We DO NOT want Edey to score. We want Edey to shoot and miss, or to turn the ball over. If Edey scores 26-30 on a small number of shot attempts, Purdue can still shoot a lot of 3s.

 

[Scarlet83]

One thing I will add….players have a finite amount of energy. Edey can dominate for a 4 minute stretch, but he can’t the entire game. Putting pressure on him when he is on D zaps his power meter. Cant use the turbo button all game. Game not on easy mode.

Yes.

 

[RU_DIO]

So,

Does Dean know he's starting tonight?

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Wow - OP. Just wow… you can’t make these threads up.

Let’s start out playing our last resort center to allow their best player to get a hot start. Your logic is what - the refs are more likely to blow a whistle on Cliff at the 19:50 mark than at the 14:50 mark because the game just started? Come on.

 

[knightfan7]

How did St Peter's stop Edey?

Edey only played 17 mins. 11 Pts, 2 Reb's, and 5 TO's. As I remember they collapsed on him every time he touched the ball and tried to make him give it up.

 

[motorb54]

Everyone is speculating he would be long gone before getting that sheepskin

I'm not personally attacking you.

You should have. Not only is his idea stupid but he has been an arrogant ass.

 

[fatsam98]

Were you one of the Terps fans begging for Turg back?

Are you ok? You're literally quoting and responding to yourself in addition to starting two threads on Maryland-Michigan yesterday.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

We DO NOT want Edey to score. We want Edey to shoot and miss, or to turn the ball over. If Edey scores 26-30 on a small number of shot attempts, Purdue can still shoot a lot of 3s.

We ran the same gameplan last year, watch the game....we limited their 3s and they only scored 70. The rematch at Mackey was more of a Jaden Ivey getting points in transition.

Zach Edey is not the best big in the country. He plays smarter than most bigs and understands how to pass out of double teams. You haven't mentioned any of the other starters, which is why the game plan is faulty. Purdue thrives on making teams pay too much attention to Edey (or Williams last year).

Keep them to under 6 threes made and they won't get to 70 to 75 points.

 

[dpwhite]

One of my favorite things is to overthink strategy. We may lose tonight. We may get blown out. Cliff might get saddled with early fouls. But we are good enough to win by doing what we do and over complicating things probably won’t help.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

9 3s made vs Marquette Edey scores 20

8 3s made vs WVU, Edey scores 24

10 3s made against Gonzaga, Edey scores 23

7 3s made against Duke, Edey scores 21

7 3s made at Nebraska, scored 11 with 5 turnovers.

The game plan is to limit the 3s from Smith and Loyer and Edey isn't playing 40 minutes, he's playing around 31 minutes a game.

There's 9 to 10 minutes where you need to have Woolfolk (when Edey is out) in the game and clean the glass and stay with shooters.

The other question is really more RU related than Purdue. Can Spencer, Mulcahy and Caleb try and collapse and double Edey and are they fast enough to then out-run the passing, to find shooters at the 3 point line.....?? The answer is really NO.

It is easier to maintain energy by not scrambling, trying to worry about Edey. Let Edey go 1 on 1 and do the best you can. Limit 3s is how you defeat Purdue.

 

[Scarlet83]

We ran the same gameplan last year, watch the game....we limited their 3s and they only scored 70. The rematch at Mackey was more of a Jaden Ivey getting points in transition.

Zach Edey is not the best big in the country. He plays smarter than most bigs and understands how to pass out of double teams. You haven't mentioned any of the other starters, which is why the game plan is faulty. Purdue thrives on making teams pay too much attention to Edey (or Williams last year).

Keep them to under 6 threes made and they won't get to 70 to 75 points.

I agree about the threes, but all I am saying is when Edey gets off a shot, we DO NOT want Edey to score. You said we want Edey to score. We want him to shoot, not to score. Again, we want Edey to shoot and miss, or to turn the ball over. Make him work hard for tougher shots.

Frustrating him and making him work hard on both ends of the court is part of a winning game plan. The second part of the plan is full court or 3/4 court pressure.

 

[RU84]

9 3s made vs Marquette Edey scores 20

8 3s made vs WVU, Edey scores 24

10 3s made against Gonzaga, Edey scores 23

7 3s made against Duke, Edey scores 21

7 3s made at Nebraska, scored 11 with 5 turnovers.

The game plan is to limit the 3s from Smith and Loyer and Edey isn't playing 40 minutes, he's playing around 31 minutes a game.

There's 9 to 10 minutes where you need to have Woolfolk (when Edey is out) in the game and clean the glass and stay with shooters.

The other question is really more RU related than Purdue. Can Spencer, Mulcahy and Caleb try and collapse and double Edey and are they fast enough to then out-run the passing, to find shooters at the 3 point line.....?? The answer is really NO.

It is easier to maintain energy by not scrambling, trying to worry about Edey. Let Edey go 1 on 1 and do the best you can. Limit 3s is how you defeat Purdue.

Curious what formula Holloway used in the tournament. I don’t recall.

 

[Scangg]

Curious what formula Holloway used in the tournament. I don’t recall.

Someone posted that they collapsed on him and he turned it over a lot. Generally I think Edey is a good passer though and can see over the defense but Rutgers is tall and long so it may be effective

Really we need to do what we have been doing all season. Switch it up and show different looks. It keeps the other team from getting into a rhythm and comfortable. You don't want your defense to be too predictable

I want to see us press and see if Purdue's guards can handle it. Even a 3 quarter court press just to eat up the shot clock. Then pressure the ball to prevent them from getting into their sets. Make them work hard to get Edey touches.

 

[PaKnight]

See you at 17:00 in first.

Cliff played 30 minutes with 3 fouls in both games against Purdue last year.

 

[bac2therac]

Make Edey rush his shots

A good way to do that is heavy pressure on guards..just a slight alteration of their timing of passes to paint can make a big difference

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

The Reiber mafia is out in force already trying to rehab his image...lol.

These are literally some of the most absurd takes ever over a career backup.

 

[PaKnight]

See you at 17:00 in first.

Are you still here dumbass?

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

See you at 17:00 in first.

Please ban yourself for the rest of the month.

 

[NickRU714]

See Dean defend that final inbound with 0.4?
Totally turning point in the game.
Don't win without him.

 

[PaKnight]

Are you ok?

 

[RUtrumpet92]

Yeah, when you make a call like this thread that's an epic fail, you gotta own it.

 

[fatsam98]

See you at 17:00 in first.

 

[Sir ScarletKnight]

Maybe it was random, but Rutgers started trouncing IU with Cliff on bench and Rieber against TJD. We have nothing to lose by starting Rieber or Wolfolk.

Cliff was not playing well in that game at all.

Reiber looked like a child when he tried to guard Edey. He got absolutely abused. Dean put up zero resistance. This is an all time bad idea

If you are worried about Cliff, why in the world would you even consider Dean over Woolfolk? At least Woolfolk likes to bang and has physicality to his game

You start Cliff.

If memory serves me correct Pike went to Nathan last year at the RAC

Luke played well, for what it was. Was it even close? Nope. Did he take fouls and keep us in the game for a bit? Yep.