The Alley Being Shut Down

[RU4Real]

Did you even read my post.

I said it's not realistic to police 5000 students.

I didn't make any comment your diagram or how big the space is.

It's not a good idea to corralle students into 1 area.

First of all, when the students were tailgating in the Blue lot there were never 5000 of them there, ever.

Second of all, assuming X = large number of students, fundamental crowd control dictates that you want them in a minimal number of individual venues. You can argue all you want, but it's Incident Management 101.

 

[ArminRU]

This has nothing to do with Hobbs sipping a beer.

I'm sure it's the work of Middlesex County.

Limit the number of people and give wristbands for people over 21.

 

[mikemarc1]

Just let the students be on their own.

Not a big deal..they'll still find a way to drink, have fun...

And they won't boycott.

 

[R1766U]

Rutgers should hand these out to students, problem solved!

 

[motorb54]

Because the people who got bumped to Blue from richer lots in 2014 had no idea what jungle they were waking into and got pissed students were tailgating like maniacs (like they have for years). They complained to Julie that they donate $1,432.45 a year and don't deserve a kid puking by them. Julie increases police presence, rent a cops spend the next two years writing underage drinking tickets like they get a commission and students start tailgating at their houses on College Ave. student attendance suffers because 20 year olds don't want to spend 40 minutes getting to the game, Skoolie repeats this story every week student attendance is poor and gets told "tough" "be quiet" etc by the same old folks who started this cluster fvck to begin with.

The end.

God, you are stupid.

 

[mikemarc1]

Per the Asbury Park Press...

"A university source noted that there were approximately 3,000 students in The Alley before the New Mexico contest, and said that number could have grown to as many as 5,000 when Rutgers hosts Iowa on Saturday in the Big Ten opener for both teams. The source said that because of the limited capacity of the site Rutgers would not be able to accomodate such an increase in the number of tailgaters, thus causing potential safety concerns."

Case closed. It's not because of the beer, as I thought earlier. Good.

 

[Abro1975]

Bring back the Grassy Knoll !

 

[S_Janowski]

First of all, when the students were tailgating in the Blue lot there were never 5000 of them there, ever.

Second of all, assuming X = large number of students, fundamental crowd control dictates that you want them in a minimal number of individual venues. You can argue all you want, but it's Incident Management 101.

First of all, stop being a snarky d*sh every time someone quotes you.

Second of all, I never said there were 5,000 students in the Blue Lot, ever.

Third of all, stop putting words in my mouth.

Fourth of all, if you have 2500-3000 students showing up to a designated area for a 12PM game against NEW MEXICO you're going to have 5000 easily show up for a prime time night game against a ranked team. That's probly a conservative number. Setting a "designated" area is going to draw a ton more students then if tailgates were dispersed throughout.

Fifth of all, I'm not arguing. I simply stated my opinion that it's not a smart idea corralling students into 1 area. It draws more kids. It draws more attention from media, parents, fans etc. It's also not going to work now that the Alley failed.

 

[FanuSanu52]

Rutgers should hand these out to students, problem solved!

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Like the way ya think, but I prefer this

 

[Caliknight]

I don't think it's a good idea to corralle all the students into 1 area.

It was reported was 2500-3000 students showed up for the New Mexico game. You have a big 8pm night game and you'll probly see 5000 + students show up. It's not realistic to police that many students.

It sucks we don't have bigger plots of land around the stadium so the students can spread out, have their fun and bother less older people.

Students and non students shouldn't have to be separated to that extent. They should all be well behaved enough to be in the same vicinity.

 

[RUskoolie]

God, you are stupid.

I'll add that one to the list. I guess the truth hurts.

 

[Vejai]

Because the people who got bumped to Blue from richer lots in 2014 had no idea what jungle they were waking into and got pissed students were tailgating like maniacs (like they have for years). They complained to Julie that they donate $1,432.45 a year and don't deserve a kid puking by them. Julie increases police presence, rent a cops spend the next two years writing underage drinking tickets like they get a commission and students start tailgating at their houses on College Ave. student attendance suffers because 20 year olds don't want to spend 40 minutes getting to the game, Skoolie repeats this story every week student attendance is poor and gets told "tough" "be quiet" etc by the same old folks who started this cluster fvck to begin with.

The end.

Despite what people say here, the point of this post is pretty accurate. People complained and the clueless AD fked up the situation by totally elimating student tailgates by police crackdowns.

Outside of isolated incidents at a couple of the first major B1G games (psu, Mich), there was always a good mix of students and alumni in the Blue lot for years without issues before JH cracked down. The overreaction by the AD in response to complaints led to the situation we have today.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

Per the Asbury Park Press...

"A university source noted that there were approximately 3,000 students in The Alley before the New Mexico contest, and said that number could have grown to as many as 5,000 when Rutgers hosts Iowa on Saturday in the Big Ten opener for both teams. The source said that because of the limited capacity of the site Rutgers would not be able to accomodate such an increase in the number of tailgaters, thus causing potential safety concerns."

Case closed. It's not because of the beer, as I thought earlier. Good.

What makes you think the press release has anything to do with reality? I'm not saying it does or doesn't, but it hardly closes any case. All that means is that the media team came up with a way to spin it that sounded plausible.

 

[rurichdog]

Put them all in one place & the meatheads in tactical gear will follow. If that spot is on campus, and any beverage other than offered by Coca Cola will be verboten. Sounds fun, doesn't it? If it was, everyone in the parking lots would be doing it.

 

[S_Janowski]

What makes you think the press release has anything to do with reality? I'm not saying it does or doesn't, but it hardly closes any case. All that means is that the media team came up with a way to spin it that sounded plausible.

I think it is pretty plausible. That area is not meant for 2,500 - 3,000 students. And that's for a 12pm game vs. New Mexico. As the area caught on and the day games turned into night game you would have thousands more, easily.

 

[DHajekRC84]

open up 21 only sections of the stadium pre-game , card them, wristband them, charge them a small fee, provide entertainment and beer free for that fee. Away from everyone, under control, plenty of space, and in the stadium early! Use the recruiting ledge and sections direct below.

 

[sct1111]

Something tells me Hobbs and company come up with another idea, a place that is bigger and able to fit more students.

 

[mikemarc1]

What makes you think the press release has anything to do with reality? I'm not saying it does or doesn't, but it hardly closes any case. All that means is that the media team came up with a way to spin it that sounded plausible.

No reason to think its not reality. Everything I've read..nothing "unsafe" happened on Saturday. Only 2 tickets given out. No one has issue with Hobbs' "sip" of beer.

Each game the alley has increased substantially...and they're shutting it down for concerns it will get too big on Saturday. Case closed to me..and to most of the media, I'd assume.

Now students have to move on...

 

[RUsojo]

If the students on Busch would go to games we would have no problem. We are a segregated university.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

That sux.

A logical alternative is Harvest Moon.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Why you think other AD'S around the country don't have a beer as they move amongst the tailgaters many of which include students...sorry it's time to lower the drinking age to 18 as it once was same as the legal voting age.

If they lower the drinking age to 18 Trump will buy em all beer and win. About the only thing as bad as that is the Democrat winning. Drink Up.. we are soooo screwed.

 

[bac2therac]

Other schools have areas just like this where all the students tailgate. Especially in the Big Ten. Those kids have great experiences because of this and give back to the school when they are gone because of the memories they had there. The kids we are screwing are potential future donors. I've seen and heard from many that The Alley was the most fun students have ever had at RU. Just another sign at why RU can't ever get it right.

and many of those spots are not in close proximity to the stadium, at a lot of schools the area the students are partying is a good walk or drive from the stadium. See if the kids partied somewhere on College Ave they wont come because its too far of a walk.doesnt make sense

 

[knightinaz]

This didn't take long.

Get ready for the onslaught....

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...-drinking-beer-tailgate-party-event-shut-down

 

[soundcrib]

This didn't take long.

Get ready for the onslaught....

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...-drinking-beer-tailgate-party-event-shut-down

It.Is.Over.

 

[RUsojo]

I stepped away for ten minutes. Realized everyone in this thread is caught up in the moment. Talked to ten different people (some associated w/ RU, some not, some young alumni, some 50+ no alum, and they not only think it's no big deal but think Hobbs is a great guy.

 

[bac2therac]

I created that image in September of 2014 and sent it to Julie.

Curiously enough, I was asked on Saturday to resubmit it, by someone in the AD's office.

I stand by it, as I think that piece of property could be an ideal fairground for the students. I think that the school should get the Greek life folks involved, get their help organizing and policing the activities and strive to make it a more interactive experience than just kegs and loud music.

you make a great suggestion. It doesnt have to be a total drunkfest...perhaps they can get local student bands or maybe a DJ with a small dancefloor, maybe have somes or cornhole contests o survivor challenges...it would take a lot of effort and coordination between student groups, frats and RU to make it work. Probably wouldnt be able to do it until next year. I know they tried putting some other activities in the Werblin area last year which the students stayed away from so maybe they just only watch to get shitfaced and do nothing else. Has to be a compromise from the students. In the old days we all drank at RU games but we were not drinking in groups of 500 plus in one spot so obviously todays kids are different kinds of partiers than we were in the 80s and 90s

 

[bac2therac]

Rutgers should hand these out to students, problem solved!

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there was one year I think in 90 or 91 RU decided to really crack down on drinking..it was late in the year I think homecoming and I dont know what precipated the crackdown but many of us who were going to drink anyone just cut out sprite or coke bottles and put them over our beers to make us less conspicous

 

[BoroKnight]

I disagree. When I was 18 the legal age in NJ was 21 and was 18 in NY. I made a few trips over the Outerbridge that very well could have ended in disaster on the return trip home. Let's keep the legal age at 21 to let these kids mature and are able to make better decisions. The laws are not to put the screws to these kids, they're there to keep them alive.

Except if the age is the same in all states, this ceases to be an issue. Make it contingent on bordering states doing the same thing.

I, for one, fail to see much maturity when people start drinking at any age. And many never mature, at least while drinking.

If you have to register for Selective Service, you should be able to buy a beer.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

Why is it an issue if Hobbs took a sip of beer to appease a cheering crowd? I just read that ESPN article and don't understand why its an article, or why Hobbs said it was a mistake.

 

[ho26rus]

Dude enough.

They go into the games.

Just a word. It is a really distorted picture but its not kids. I think white bus was having fun with you. Mike and Jeff in foreground tailgate in the green lot and are class of 1975,
All the people in the background are decades past college

 

[RUChris]

Drinking age won't be dropped until the federal laws that withhold highway funds to states with minimum age under 21 are changed. Unless you want your taxes to go higher to cover the loss of revenue.

 

[RU62]

Do some folks really believe that this day and age when you give a group of 18-21 year old a site to party, drink and have music etc that theyes will leave to enter a football game or any other event we h r not the party becomes the thing or event. Maybe once the game starts or 15 minutes before kick off things must be shut down. Does it make sense....not really but then the Athletics Depth has in trying to do something good is a victim of it'so own action. It's a shame. But what it has done is created something that quickly turned into one giant block party and the game became second place.

 

[Upstream]

Second of all, assuming X = large number of students, fundamental crowd control dictates that you want them in a minimal number of individual venues. You can argue all you want, but it's Incident Management 101.

I think that's Janowski's point. The student section of the stadium holds about 10,000. If all 10,000 students tailgate in a single area, then crowd control is much easier ... which means cracking down on alcohol consumption is easier. But if the 10,000 students are spread out across campus, they can tailgate without easy police crackdowns.

 

[DJ Spanky]

I'm hearing that someone up the food chain has really planned this out and is doing it to get at Hobbs. That's very worrisome.

 

[mikershoein]

I got this...
All underage students that used to party in The Alley are invited to my tailgate in the Scarlet Lot, in the middle of Row D, I have a blue SUV . red solo cups are enforced, lots ofac/DC and Metallica, and I want to see some tits, by cheap weed, and I got the Natty light and Maddog 20/20, all will be fine. See you Saturday

 

[bac2therac]

Do some folks really believe that this day and age when you give a group of 18-21 year old a site to party, drink and have music etc that theyes will leave to enter a football game or any other event we h r not the party becomes the thing or event. Maybe once the game starts or 15 minutes before kick off things must be shut down. Does it make sense....not really but then the Athletics Depth has in trying to do something good is a victim of it'so own action. It's a shame. But what it has done is created something that quickly turned into one giant block party and the game became second place.

dont know why they didnt think that there would be thousands of students showing up for this....the thing is there are only 25 passes so the area has to be pretty small. It was either going to be a total bust from the beginning or a home run which it proved to be, they just need a bigger space so hopefully they can get put by Yurcak behind the fence

 

[S_Janowski]

I think that's Janowski's point. The student section of the stadium holds about 10,000. If all 10,000 students tailgate in a single area, then crowd control is much easier ... which means cracking down on alcohol consumption is easier. But if the 10,000 students are spread out across campus, they can tailgate without easy police crackdowns.

That's actually the opposite of my point. I think it's a very bad idea to corralle thousand and thousands of students into 1 area to drink when a majority of them are underage.

You can't possibly police that many kids if something goes wrong. Imagine a giant brawl breaking out and being recorded and how bad it would look on RU.

Also the idea that there is a giant designated area is going to draw the masses out whereas if there were tailgates spread out you would probly have less overall kids attending.

And I am not promoting how it was done 2-3 + years ago in the Blue lot. I honestly don't know what the solution is.

 

[bac2therac]

I'm hearing that someone up the food chain has really planned this out and is doing it to get at Hobbs. That's very worrisome.

is it Kate Sweeney lol

 

[S_Janowski]

I'm hearing that someone up the food chain has really planned this out and is doing it to get at Hobbs. That's very worrisome.

Harvest Moon? They're up the food chain.

Not the beer chain though.

 

[e5fdny]

The area already exists without crossing the street.

Pretty sure expansion was part of the plan but I don't think the powers that be were expecting this Brutus move.