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The Cult Is Alive and Well ...SMH

Knight Shift said:
Says the guy who is never wrong. Keep making threads about them on the RU board.
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Wow...that's only slightly uncalled for...It was a stupid comment, sorry, nobody outside of Rutgers and Penn State fans know what "the cult" means" and who cares anyway? "free advertising? Stop.
 
Very small crowd.
View from the back showed maybe 200 people overall.
 
newwavedave1 said:
Some need to get over it. The constant Penn State bashing just reveals the huge inferiority complex some RU fans have.
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Here's a thought: Perhaps it represents the deep, deep revulsion at the goings on out there in happy valley. And that the patron saint of pedd st. football could have been such an enabler. And that lots of their fans could still worship him.
 
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newwavedave1 said:
Some need to get over it. The constant Penn State bashing just reveals the huge inferiority complex some RU fans have.
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Listen, have you EVER seen my start a thread about this shit? Nope. Not a one. The only reason I did is because, at 9:01AM, I had to see a stupid f*cking poster that disgusted me and exemplified how sick some of their fans are, hence, this thread. Not the end of the world.
 
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AreYouNUTS said:
Wow...that's only slightly uncalled for...It was a stupid comment, sorry, nobody outside of Rutgers and Penn State fans know what "the cult" means" and who cares anyway? "free advertising? Stop.
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I have a relative who has been doing stats in the press box for Colorado since the late 80's. He calls PSU "The Cult."
 
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My point is that these players and coaches had nothing to do with Paterno and Sandusky. People shouldn't paint the current administration and University, in general, with their actions. Some fan's hero worship of Paterno is pretty sick though.
 
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newwavedave1 said:
Some need to get over it. The constant Penn State bashing just reveals the huge inferiority complex some RU fans have.
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The constant defending of Penn State's atrocities on this board reveals how RU also has "fanatics" that at the end of the day think the game of football is more important than the welfare of young boys.
 
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newwavedave1 said:
My point is that these players and coaches had nothing to do with Paterno and Sandusky. People shouldn't paint the current administration and University, in general, with their actions. Some fan's hero worship of Paterno is pretty sick though.
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They are much more connected than you think. Part of the Penn State tradition and culture is the importance that they place on football ahead of all else, and that culture was instrumental in the Sandusky cover-up. Sorry if you can't see the linkage.
 
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newwavedave1 said:
My point is that these players and coaches had nothing to do with Paterno and Sandusky. People shouldn't paint the current administration and University, in general, with their actions. Some fan's hero worship of Paterno is pretty sick though.
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Right but the fans are still referring to it. If the made a sign that was not referring to sanctions then fine. But they're not.
 
I'd just like to point out that the genesis of this thread are the signs Penn State fans chose to create to put on ESPN College Gameday.

This is not a case of Rutgers fans looking to bash Penn State. It is just a natural reaction to seeing those signs.
 
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newwavedave1 said:
My point is that these players and coaches had nothing to do with Paterno and Sandusky. People shouldn't paint the current administration and University, in general, with their actions. Some fan's hero worship of Paterno is pretty sick though.
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But that's all we have left as a fanbase is to attack a program on a tragedy that took place 6 years ago. Six years ago this Institution could have put Rutgers in the drivers seat by getting a competitive edge with respects to recruiting. Instead the institution decided to embark on idiotic ventures that cost the taxpayers of this state tens of millions and probably much much more. I for one believed that the real dollar amount will not be divulged until the next governor takes office. Now we're leveraged (compared to other B10 schools) and looking for Red Light special deals with respect to coaches. Just be honest and ask yourself one question, would Penn State have hired Chris Ash and his Assistants? The answer is an unequivocal NO. This is not my opinion, it's common knowledge among those inside college football that Penn State resurrected itself after six years and both Ohio State and Michigan better watch their step because next year they may go undefeated. We on the other hand will be starting Sandusky threads.
 
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AreYouNUTS said:
Signs seen on Game Day:

"Nice Try NCAA...We Are...Already Back"

"The NCAA Didn't Want Us Here But We Are...."


Unbelievable. SMH
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Sorry but I see nothing wrong with those signs. You can say whatever you want about the scandal and Joe Paterno and everything else but the fact remains that the NCAA overstepped their bounds. It really is that simple.

Thank God you all didn't see the sign I did later in the morning that got me rustled.
 
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I'm pretty sure Michigan fans bash OSU any chance they get and vice versa. I don't think anyone claims it an inferiority complex. They instead call it the greatest rivalry.

RU-PSU is a rivalry. Not yet full fledged because of historic performance. But our fans hate them, they hate us , we compete for the same students & football players, close proximity. It's all there. As soon as RU starts winning some matchups it's going to be more recongnized by both sides as PSU fans will start to admit that losing to us makes them sick.
 
ScarletKid2008 said:
I'm pretty sure Michigan fans bash OSU any chance they get and vice versa. I don't think anyone claims it an inferiority complex. They instead call it the greatest rivalry.

RU-PSU is a rivalry. Not yet full fledged because of historic performance. But our fans hate them, they hate us , we compete for the same students & football players, close proximity. It's all there. As soon as RU starts winning some matchups it's going to be more recongnized by both sides as PSU fans will start to admit that losing to us makes them sick.
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There may be hate, but there's no rivalry. There won't be a rivalry until we could beat Penn State. Trust me like an FDIC insured CD, unless this Institution and State unifies with an ultimate goal to win a National Championship we will never beat PSU now that they're on a roll. $$$$$+Talent=Championships and Penn State may prove this tonight. This is not a guaranteed win for Penn State, Wisconsin has a very good program and has a legit shot at winning the game tonight.
 
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But that's all we have left as a fanbase is to attack a program on a tragedy that took place 6 years ago. Six years ago this Institution could have put Rutgers in the drivers seat by getting a competitive edge with respects to recruiting. Instead the institution decided to embark on idiotic ventures that cost the taxpayers of the state tens of millions and probably much much more. I for one believed that the real dollar amount will not be divulged until the next governor takes office. Now we're leveraged (compared to other B10 schools) and looking for Red Light special deals with respect to coaches. Just be honest with yourself and ask one question, would Penn State have hired Chris Ash and his Assistance? The answer is an unequivocal NO. This is not my opinion, it's common knowledge among those inside college football that Penn State resurrected itself after six years and both Ohio State and Michigan better watch their step because next year they may go undefeated. We on the other hand will be starting Sandusky threads.
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Awesome post and sadly a true statement.
 
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kjb32812 said:
Sorry but I see nothing wrong with those signs. You can say whatever you want about the scandal and Joe Paterno and everything else but the fact remains that the NCAA overstepped their bounds. It really is that simple.

Thank God you all didn't see the sign I did later in the morning that got me rustled.
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the NCAA didn't overstep their boundaries, a rushed report had some flaws and that was used, along with a lot of political pressure, to undermine the sanctions imposed and a weak NCAA leadership that wouldn't stand up for doing the right thing because of the pressure it was facing.
I wonder if Freeh ever was told about Penn St paying out sex abuse claims since the 70s . I don't remember that being in his report showing the history of Penn St covering up sexual abuse within their sports programs instead of trying to eliminate it , even if that would hurt the image they were trying to give to everyone.

Don't think another thread about Penn St was needed, but think what you just said needed to be challenged.
 
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Those signs aren't so bad. What's bad are the ones I saw on BTN Live earlier, including such hits as:

"409;" and

"Bring Back the Statue."
 
ScarletKid2008 said:
I'm pretty sure Michigan fans bash OSU any chance they get and vice versa. I don't think anyone claims it an inferiority complex. They instead call it the greatest rivalry.

RU-PSU is a rivalry. Not yet full fledged because of historic performance. But our fans hate them, they hate us , we compete for the same students & football players, close proximity. It's all there. As soon as RU starts winning some matchups it's going to be more recongnized by both sides as PSU fans will start to admit that losing to us makes them sick.
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They don't hate us, did you hate the little kid on the block you beat in OUT 48 out of 50 times... you scoffed at him.
 
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newwavedave1 said:
My point is that these players and coaches had nothing to do with Paterno and Sandusky. People shouldn't paint the current administration and University, in general, with their actions. Some fan's hero worship of Paterno is pretty sick though.
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Really?!? Then why, just a couple of months ago, did the CURRENT State Penn administration and CURRENT football program honor Joe f'in Paterno, who chose to cover up for a man that raped young boys, so Paterno could protect his f'in football program. For 40 years! State Penn can burn in hell right next to Paterno.
 
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MADHAT1 said:
the NCAA didn't overstep their boundaries, a rushed report had some flaws and that was used, along with a lot of political pressure, to undermine the sanctions imposed and a weak NCAA leadership that wouldn't stand up for doing the right thing because of the pressure it was facing.
I wonder if Freeh ever was told about Penn St paying out sex abuse claims since the 70s . I don't remember that being in his report showing the history of Penn St covering up sexual abuse within their sports programs instead of trying to eliminate it , even if that would hurt the image they were trying to give to everyone.

Don't think another thread about Penn St was needed, but think what you just said needed to be challenged.
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So now you are going to use the Freeh report as something that was lacking factual, relevant information? That's pretty comical.

Where exactly was the political pressure coming from? The Paternos? The Penn State faithful?

If the NCAA would have had the legal authority to do what they did they would have upheld it. LOL @ George Mitchell and his reporting having anything at all to do with the sanctions being reduced. NCAA was going to lose their ass and couldn't afford to while also dealing with O'Bannon and UNC.
 
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kjb32812 said:
So now you are going to use the Freeh report as something that was lacking factual, relevant information? That's pretty comical.

Where exactly was the political pressure coming from? The Paternos? The Penn State faithful?

If the NCAA would have had the legal authority to do what they did they would have upheld it. LOL @ George Mitchell and his reporting having anything at all to do with the sanctions being reduced. NCAA was going to lose their ass and couldn't afford to while also dealing with O'Bannon and UNC.
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>"So now you are going to use the Freeh report as something that was lacking factual, relevant information?"<
it had the facts just not all needed to be accepted and Penn St hid what it could.
If the NCAA took that report and checked out everything in it thoroughly the minor flaws in it wouldn't have been made to look as bad as the Penn St backers were making it look and more proof of the coverup being football related would have come from that.
The sanctions were reduced because Mitchell reported that Penn St was implementing fixes and they were working . His report didn't say Penn St didn't deserve the punishment handed out to them, but that PSU had complied with what the NCAA demanded and a reduction in the penalty was deserved
As for the O'Bannon case , that was giving the NCAA real bad PR and so was the sanctions that they gave PSU. The lawsuits were putting the NCAA leadership
in the spotlight and they didn't want no part of that.

My personal feeling is they told Mitchell to find a way to let them exit the sanctions gracefully so Congress wouldn't have a reason to get involved.
Not that they did anything wrong concerning Penn St, but didn't want the way the NCAA is structured to be looked at as much as it might have if Congress was involved.
Pennsylvanian was going after them using straw men to file lawsuits along with some members of congress ( friendly to PSU) wanting the NCAA 's action towards PSU made into a federal issue.

I wonder if Penn St would have received what it truly deserved if the public, media and Congress knew about the payments Penn St was making to sexual abuse victims since the 1970s.
I doubt the "NCAA overstepped it's role" accusers could have claimed that after seeing just how long Penn St was covering up and paying off victims of child molestation cause by someone that Penn St was responsible for their actions.
 
I don't want to hear any crap about how state penn is different now and they shouldn't be blamed for sins of the past.

BULLSHIT.

State Penn fans want to make much of (but not all) of the hate go away?
1) Admit Paterno was a scumbag
2) Stop with the crying about the sanctions. They deserved so much more and the reason "we are here" is because the NCAA caved. and these a-holes want to blame the NCAA? they should be kissing their feet for the wrist slap and for giving them this opportunity
3) NO MORE BULLSHIT ABOUT THE STATUE. It's gone--never ask for it back
4) Stop with the Paterno beer. Stop wth the Paterno cutouts all over their crappy town.
5) oh right the students--they weren't there when Sandusky was around right? Then stop with all of them wearing those f***ing fake Paterno glasses in the stands
6) just ADMIT that what happened was despicable, it was brought about because the football program needed to protected above all

Not asking for much here. Just f***ing say JoePa was wrong, lets forget about him and move on. Drop the "us against the world".

Don't hold your breath for any of this btw--it will NEVER happen. They are a cult. No cult members will ever accept their idol of worship being demeaned

Until they at least show some acceptance and some remorse then they absolutely should be called out and hated for it. Sorry
 
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PatrickRU92 said:
I don't want to hear any crap about how state penn is different now and they shouldn't be blamed for sins of the past.

BULLSHIT.

State Penn fans want to make much of (but not all) of the hate go away?
1) Admit Paterno was a scumbag
2) Stop with the crying about the sanctions. They deserved so much more and the reason "we are here" is because the NCAA caved. and these a-holes want to blame the NCAA? they should be kissing their feet for the wrist slap and for giving them this opportunity
3) NO MORE BULLSHIT ABOUT THE STATUE. It's gone--never ask for it back
4) Stop with the Paterno beer. Stop wth the Paterno cutouts all over their crappy town.
5) oh right the students--they weren't there when Sandusky was around right? Then stop with all of them wearing those f***ing fake Paterno glasses in the stands
6) just ADMIT that what happened was despicable, it was brought about because the football program needed to protected above all

Not asking for much here. Just f***ing say JoePa was wrong, lets forget about him and move on. Drop the "us against the world".

Don't hold your breath for any of this btw--it will NEVER happen. They are a cult. No cult members will ever accept their idol of worship being demeaned

Until they at least show some acceptance and some remorse then they absolutely should be called out and hated for it. Sorry
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Sorry, can't agree with #2. The NCAA had no authority to do what they did. I may not like a murderer but the law says I don't have the ability to murder him in-kind. Same with the NCAA. You may not like it but that's the way it is.

Mark Emmert is a hypocritical asshole who went on a power trip. The problem was that once he exhibited his power he learned he didn't have it.

@MADHAT1 you're a reasonable poster and I don't feel like doing this but if you think that the Mitchell stuff was anything more than a facade to allow the NCAA to save face when they were going to get their asses handed to them in lawsuits, you're delusional. I guess we will simply have to agree to disagree on this issue.
 
MADHAT1 said:
>"So now you are going to use the Freeh report as something that was lacking factual, relevant information?"<
it had the facts just not all needed to be accepted and Penn St hid what it could.
If the NCAA took that report and checked out everything in it thoroughly the minor flaws in it wouldn't have been made to look as bad as the Penn St backers were making it look and more proof of the coverup being football related would have come from that.
The sanctions were reduced because Mitchell reported that Penn St was implementing fixes and they were working . His report didn't say Penn St didn't deserve the punishment handed out to them, but that PSU had complied with what the NCAA demanded and a reduction in the penalty was deserved
As for the O'Bannon case , that was giving the NCAA real bad PR and so was the sanctions that they gave PSU. The lawsuits were putting the NCAA leadership
in the spotlight and they didn't want no part of that.

My personal feeling is they told Mitchell to find a way to let them exit the sanctions gracefully so Congress wouldn't have a reason to get involved.
Not that they did anything wrong concerning Penn St, but didn't want the way the NCAA is structured to be looked at as much as it might have if Congress was involved.
Pennsylvanian was going after them using straw men to file lawsuits along with some members of congress ( friendly to PSU) wanting the NCAA 's action towards PSU made into a federal issue.

I wonder if Penn St would have received what it truly deserved if the public, media and Congress knew about the payments Penn St was making to sexual abuse victims since the 1970s.
I doubt the "NCAA overstepped it's role" accusers could have claimed that after seeing just how long Penn St was covering up and paying off victims of child molestation cause by someone that Penn St was responsible for their actions.
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My God Madhat at this point what difference does it make? They complied and moved onto a 10-2 season. A win tonight over Wisconsin and a loss by Clemson they are guaranteed a playoff spot. I fully understand the moral argument but if you would stop typing and ask yourself one question, who are we to question, or second guess anyone after our performance this year?

We start threads "when will coach Ash win his 1st B10 game" and here we're busting a teams stones who has won 2 NC's and may win the B10 conference championship this year.
 
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kjb32812 said:
Sorry but I see nothing wrong with those signs. You can say whatever you want about the scandal and Joe Paterno and everything else but the fact remains that the NCAA overstepped their bounds. It really is that simple.

Thank God you all didn't see the sign I did later in the morning that got me rustled.
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Not a fact--they only might have overstepped if they took away football for more than two years. That hey allowed them to play the next season or two should make The Cult grateful.
 
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