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The Football Fieldhouse is the last piece of our puzzle

But building the field house in a prime lot where many donor may not help create more donors. The catty weirdo may disagree, but those are conversations that have been had by many yellow lot pass holders. There are other options, but for some reason, they are choosing the Yellow lot option.
I would imagine the yellow lot is the easiest and cheapest option....
Personally with the field house and lacrosse field on the blue lot parking nearby will be hard to get and thats under the assumption the bubble will stay for other sports. (sorry i dont think RU will take over part of the golf course)
RU will build on cheap, instead of putting the field house on the brown lot and tennis courts and building a parking deck on the white lot...
 
But building the field house in a prime lot where many donors park may not help create more donors. The catty weirdo may disagree, but those are conversations that have been had by many yellow lot pass holders. There are other options, but for some reason, they are choosing the Yellow lot option.

Unfortunately for you (and others potentially displaced), success will paint over everything.
If we become a top Big Ten program, any fans and STH lost from the Yellow Lot will be replaced.
And frankly, the University is planning on it.

Sidenote: just another note in the ledger for the "schools are just as selfish as players".


To quote Thanos:
Thanos:......And then with the stones you've collected for me create a new one teeming with life that knows not what it has lost but only what it has been given. A grateful universe.

Steve Rogers : Born out of blood.

Thanos : They'll never know it. Because you won't be alive to tell them.
 
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Unfortunately for you (and others potentially displaced), success will paint over everything.
If we become a top Big Ten program, any fans and STH lost from the Yellow Lot will be replaced.
And frankly, the University is planning on it.

Sidenote: just another note in the ledger for the "schools are just as selfish as players".


To quote Thanos:
Thanos:......And then with the stones you've collected for me create a new one teeming with life that knows not what it has lost but only what it has been given. A grateful universe.

Steve Rogers : Born out of blood.

Thanos : They'll never know it. Because you won't be alive to tell them.
IDK if Rutgers will ever become THAT successful. Rutgers Athletics is surviving on old legacy donor (a few who develop huge sums of money (Browns, Towers, Garuttis, Rodkins). Not many new donors. Not so sure Maryland is swimming in new donor money with their recent "success." Time will tell if winning 8-9 games per year will germinate and sustain a bunch of new donors. To get to the next level, IMO, sustained success like Michigan, Ohio State, or even Penn State is needed. Not trying to be a Debbie downer or a doubting Thomas, but not sure the calculus is there for a new slew of donors.
 
The Football Fieldhouse is needed to improve our chances to get that next level recruit, who can help take us to the promised land. The Quincy Porter type recruit, from Bergen Catholic, who is going to Ohio State, and didn’t give Rutgers a second look. We land the Quincy Porter type recruit, and we will be throwing on third and 7, to Quincy Porter.

Schiano was able to recruit this caliber of recruit at Ohio State and Miami. He is unable to recruit this type of kid to Rutgers because our value proposition isn’t strong enough.

The Basketball practice facility is the best facility money can buy, and this year, we landed two of the best three incoming basketball players. In time, Football will see similar recruiting results, once the Football Fieldhouse is built.

Below is the link to donate to support the building of the fieldhouse. We need to raise $50M to get a shovel in the ground.

This post is fine -- having a football fieldhouse would indeed "improve our chances to get that next level recruit." (It doesn't guarantee that we'll get him, but recruits do care about facilities.) The thread's title -- that a field house is "the last piece of the puzzle" -- is untrue. As our coaches and staff say, we need to have a lot more NIL money available. Some of our fellow posters think that better staff and coaches are needed. It's a question of priorities: does it help the program more to get a football fieldhouse or to have more NIL money or to have better coaches? As desirable as a fieldhouse is, I'm not at all sure that it the top priority.

This is so typical of this poster. He makes an excellent point in his post and then undercuts himself with an extravagant (and probably untrue) claim.
 
This post is fine -- having a football fieldhouse would indeed "improve our chances to get that next level recruit." (It doesn't guarantee that we'll get him, but recruits do care about facilities.) The thread's title -- that a field house is "the last piece of the puzzle" -- is untrue. As our coaches and staff say, we need to have a lot more NIL money available. Some of our fellow posters think that better staff and coaches are needed. It's a question of priorities: does it help the program more to get a football fieldhouse or to have more NIL money or to have better coaches? As desirable as a fieldhouse is, I'm not at all sure that it the top priority.

This is so typical of this poster. He makes an excellent point in his post and then undercuts himself with an extravagant (and probably untrue) claim.
Very well- stated. Almost every rutgersal post is prone to hyperbole or irrational exuberance. We need more fans like rutgersal. It's also OK to debate the hyperbolic nature of his posts in a friendly manner. What's not needed is catty attacks on donors experience donor fatigue wondering where they should donate their money: (1) NIL, (2) facilities or (3) general fund, especially when Rutgers finally seems to be rolling in B1G money. Conjures up the Creedence lyric:
And when you ask 'em, "How much should we give?"
They only answer, "More, more, more"
Or the lyrics from Rush's The Big Money:

Big money got a heavy hand
Big money take control
Big money got a mean streak
Big money got no soul
 
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Very well- stated. Almost every rutgersal post is prone to hyperbole or irrational exuberance. We need more fans like rutgersal. It's also OK to debate the hyperbolic nature of his posts in a friendly manner. What's not needed is catty attacks on donors experience donor fatigue wondering where they should donate their money: (1) NIL, (2) facilities or (3) general fund, especially when Rutgers finally seems to be rolling in B1G money. Conjures up the Creedence lyric:
And when you ask 'em, "How much should we give?"
They only answer, "More, more, more"
Or the lyrics from Rush's The Big Money:

Big money got a heavy hand
Big money take control
Big money got a mean streak
Big money got no soul
Or Bob Dylan's line, which I found so appropriate when the Pac-12 was destroyed with the result that West Coast athletes will often have to travel two or three time zones East for games: "money doesn't talk, it swears."
 
This post is fine -- having a football fieldhouse would indeed "improve our chances to get that next level recruit." (It doesn't guarantee that we'll get him, but recruits do care about facilities.) The thread's title -- that a field house is "the last piece of the puzzle" -- is untrue. As our coaches and staff say, we need to have a lot more NIL money available. Some of our fellow posters think that better staff and coaches are needed. It's a question of priorities: does it help the program more to get a football fieldhouse or to have more NIL money or to have better coaches? As desirable as a fieldhouse is, I'm not at all sure that it the top priority.

This is so typical of this poster. He makes an excellent point in his post and then undercuts himself with an extravagant (and probably untrue) claim.
Maybe you are unaware, but we paid significant amounts of NIL, which is how we retained most of our players. We will never raise as much as coaches want, due to cultural reasons: many fans simply won’t support NIL.

This staff and coaches is as good as it gets at Rutgers.

In my mind, the field house is indeed the last piece of the puzzle because it’s an opportunity to shore up our greatest weakness, especially when compared against the primary competition: Penn State, Ohio State, Maryland, and Michigan.
 
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But building the field house in a prime lot where many donors park may not help create more donors. The catty weirdo may disagree, but those are conversations that have been had by many yellow lot pass holders. There are other options, but for some reason, they are choosing the Yellow lot option.
I always see the Scarlet Lot half empty. Maybe many of you can switch? There also seems to be new parking lots being created. Possible tailgating lots?
 
Very well- stated. Almost every rutgersal post is prone to hyperbole or irrational exuberance. We need more fans like rutgersal. It's also OK to debate the hyperbolic nature of his posts in a friendly manner. What's not needed is catty attacks on donors experience donor fatigue wondering where they should donate their money: (1) NIL, (2) facilities or (3) general fund, especially when Rutgers finally seems to be rolling in B1G money. Conjures up the Creedence lyric:
And when you ask 'em, "How much should we give?"
They only answer, "More, more, more"
Or the lyrics from Rush's The Big Money:

Big money got a heavy hand
Big money take control
Big money got a mean streak
Big money got no soul
More Rush

Waiting for the winds of change to sweep the clouds away.
Waiting for the rainbow's end to cast its gold your way.
 
IDK if Rutgers will ever become THAT successful. Rutgers Athletics is surviving on old legacy donor (a few who develop huge sums of money (Browns, Towers, Garuttis, Rodkins). Not many new donors. Not so sure Maryland is swimming in new donor money with their recent "success." Time will tell if winning 8-9 games per year will germinate and sustain a bunch of new donors. To get to the next level, IMO, sustained success like Michigan, Ohio State, or even Penn State is needed. Not trying to be a Debbie downer or a doubting Thomas, but not sure the calculus is there for a new slew of donors.
To get to the next level, we need a field house, which will help us better recruit that next level recruit. This is a 5 star program when you look at our results in transforming 3 star kids into 5 star performers, like Kyle Monangai.

We need a better facility which will strengthen our value proposition. All the donors we’ll ever need are already in the fanbase. It’s a matter of convincing our Wall Street alumni, pharma alumni, doctors, lawyers, and other professionals, the value in investing in Rutgers Football.

The first time the Hale Center was improved, it resulted in arguably our best class ever, with Ray Rice, the McCourtys, and others joining up. The next year we landed Kenny Britt. We throw up the field house, our class will see a similar bump.

1000 donors giving $833 a month for five years gets it done. That’s a nice car monthly payment.
 
5 star programs are those in the CFP and NYD bowl games on a regular basis. They also pump out numerous 1st & 2nd round draft picks.
 
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5 star programs are those in the CFP and NYD bowl games on a regular basis. They also pump out numerous 1st & 2nd round draft picks.
When our classes have a good representation of 4 and 5 star recruits, we also will pump out 1st and 2nd round picks effortlessly, and also be in the CFP and NYD bowl games consistently .

Miami did so in the early aughts and the same culture has been transplanted here. The last variables to be elevated here is support and consequently recruiting. Everything else is in place for success: Championship Caliber Culture and Championship Caliber Coaching.
 
When our classes have a good representation of 4 and 5 star recruits, we also will pump out 1st and 2nd round picks effortlessly, and also be in the CFP and NYD bowl games consistently .

Miami did so in the early aughts and the same culture has been transplanted here. The last variables to be elevated here is support and consequently recruiting. Everything else is in place for success: Championship Caliber Culture and Championship Caliber Coaching.
Thank you for admitting that your prior post was inaccurate.
 
After reading 3 pages, here is my conclusion of what I will give:

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No, it’s not inaccurate because you don’t own the definition of what constitutes a 5 star program. Yours is an opinion, not fact.
Many, many people can easily define what 5* program is. Many SEC, B1G some ACC programs qualify. Rutgers is not even close to one. Perhaps we will in the future, but the notion that we are is laughably absurd. Go get drunk and sleep it off.

We have never even been to a real NYD bowl…we have never outright won a conference championship.

Get a clue sunshine…
 
Many, many people can easily define what 5* program is. Many SEC, B1G some ACC programs qualify. Rutgers is not even close to one. Perhaps we will in the future, but the notion that we are is laughably absurd. Go get drunk and sleep it off.

We have never even been to a real NYD bowl…we have never outright won a conference championship.

Get a clue sunshine…
I think @rutgersal was saying that we're a 5* program in that (according to him) we are good at turning 3* players into 5* players as with Kyle Monangai. I don't think he intended to say that we're a 5* program in all the respects you mention. That would be, as you say, an absurd claim.

FWIW (nothing, probably) I think that everyone would agree that having a fieldhouse would be great for recruiting. But is it the highest priority? @rutgersal thinks it is because he thinks we have enough NIL money. I doubt that's true, but I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on it. @rutgersal also thinks that it makes sense to stress donating for a fieldhouse because he thinks it is easier to get people to donate for that for NIL. But the fact that it is easier to raise money for a facility doesn't mean that getting the facility is necessarily the highest priority.
 
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Many, many people can easily define what 5* program is. Many SEC, B1G some ACC programs qualify. Rutgers is not even close to one. Perhaps we will in the future, but the notion that we are is laughably absurd. Go get drunk and sleep it off.

We have never even been to a real NYD bowl…we have never outright won a conference championship.

Get a clue sunshine…


Rutgers qualifies as a 5* program because we take kids, and transform them into men, who will be successful whether in real life or the NFL. Any kid who comes into the program is going to maximize his talent and have a terrific experience second to none, as long as they put in maximum effort. And that’s what makes Rutgers a 5* program. Schiano knows the secret sauce to making kids NFL Ready.
  • Jay Butlers S&C program is second to none.
  • Our Coaching Staff is second to none
  • Our Programs Culture is second to none
  • Our Work Ethic is second to none
  • Our Campus experience is second to none
  • The Education is second to none
Sure we haven’t been to a New Years 6 bowl yet, but it’s just a matter of time before we get there. That’s for me to know, and you to find out.

The incoming class is going to compete for Championships, and the classes we recruit, are only going to get stronger, from here on out. The Fieldhouse, once built, will accelerate our progress, because it will allow us to consistently recruit a higher caliber kid. The only thing we’re missing is talent. But we are rapidly closing that gap with better programs. Very soon, we will be regarded as a better program.

It’s just a matter of time before we’re in the playoffs and winning Championships. That’s why I’m here.

I understand that Knight Shift is here for the tailgating in the Yellow Lot. And that’s fine too. It’s gonna be a hell of a ride, as long as Schiano stays for a long time, which I have every belief he will.
 
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Rutgers qualifies as a 5* program because we take kids, and transform them into men, who will be successful whether in real life or the NFL. Any kid who comes into the program is going to maximize his talent and have a terrific experience second to none, as long as they put in maximum effort. And that’s what makes Rutgers a 5* program. Schiano knows the secret sauce to making kids NFL Ready.
  • Jay Butlers S&C program is second to none.
  • Our Coaching Staff is second to none
  • Our Programs Culture is second to none
  • Our Work Ethic is second to none
  • Our Campus experience is second to none
  • The Education is second to none
Sure we haven’t been to a New Years 6 bowl yet, but it’s just a matter of time before we get there. That’s for me to know, and you to find out.

The incoming class is going to compete for Championships, and the classes we recruit, are only going to get stronger, from here on out. The Fieldhouse, once built, will accelerate our progress, because it will allow us to consistently recruit a higher caliber kid. The only thing we’re missing is talent. But we are rapidly closing that gap with better programs. Very soon, we will be regarded as a better program.

It’s just a matter of time before we’re in the playoffs and winning Championships. That’s why I’m here.

I understand that Knight Shift is here for the tailgating in the Yellow Lot. And that’s fine too. It’s gonna be a hell of a ride, as long as Schiano stays for a long time, which I have every belief he will.
Talk about presenting an opinion as fact. 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

You're desperately grasping for something that we aspire to be but are a long ways off from achieving. 5* programs win championships. That's the first and most important metric.

Plenty of programs put guys into the NFL and build them into men. It's not some secret sauce that Greg has cornered the market on.

Stop wasting everyone's time with your "FACTS" that are "OPINIONS" but you can't see the difference.
 
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Talk about presenting an opinion as fact. 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

You're desperately grasping for something that we aspire to be but are a long ways off from achieving. 5* programs win championships. That's the first and most important metric.

Plenty of programs put guys into the NFL and build them into men. It's not some secret sauce that Greg has cornered the market on.

Stop wasting everyone's time with your "FACTS" that are "OPINIONS" but you can't see the difference.
Nowhere did I suggest my post was fact. It’s all opinion. You suggested your opinion was fact when you suggested my opinion was wrong, which is absurd.

It’s your opinion that 5* programs win Championships. Just like it’s my opinion that our 5* program maximizes the talents of kids that enter it.

Greg is the only Rutgers Coach that has been able to build an NFL pipeline. Bringing his learnings from Penn State, Ohio State, and Miami. That’s what makes him special to me.
 
Nowhere did I suggest my post was fact. It’s all opinion. You suggested your opinion was fact when you suggested my opinion was wrong, which is absurd.

It’s your opinion that 5* programs win Championships. Just like it’s my opinion that our 5* program maximizes the talents of kids that enter it.

Greg is the only Rutgers Coach that has been able to build an NFL pipeline. Bringing his learnings from Penn State, Ohio State, and Miami. That’s what makes him special to me.
"“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’

So too you want" 5* program" to mean what you want it to mean even though no one else uses that meaning.
 
"“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’

So too you want" 5* program" to mean what you want it to mean even though no one else uses that meaning.
As far as I know, I used the term 5* program first on this board. Haven’t seen it used before here, or anywhere else.

Even if you google 5* football program, you won’t find any references, aside from a youth football program. But I just don’t see any references with regards to a college football team.
 
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Nowhere did I suggest my post was fact. It’s all opinion. You suggested your opinion was fact when you suggested my opinion was wrong, which is absurd.

It’s your opinion that 5* programs win Championships. Just like it’s my opinion that our 5* program maximizes the talents of kids that enter it.

Greg is the only Rutgers Coach that has been able to build an NFL pipeline. Bringing his learnings from Penn State, Ohio State, and Miami. That’s what makes him special to me.
Your statement is mainly ASPIRATIONAL.

My statement has actual examples you can point towards unless you think Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, LSU, Georgia and certain other programs are not the definition of 5* programs as I described.

Another element of 5* programs is that they have many large donors that will fund whatever the program needs.
 
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Nowhere did I suggest my post was fact. It’s all opinion. You suggested your opinion was fact when you suggested my opinion was wrong, which is absurd.

It’s your opinion that 5* programs win Championships. Just like it’s my opinion that our 5* program maximizes the talents of kids that enter it.

Greg is the only Rutgers Coach that has been able to build an NFL pipeline. Bringing his learnings from Penn State, Ohio State, and Miami. That’s what makes him special to me.
Fieldhouse Al of La Mancha … if you are desperate to define us as a 5 star program in a realistic sense, here’s that way: almost every single one of us Rutgers fans absolutely rejects the asinine and ridiculous views of the most clueless poster on these boards and in the country: you. That doesn’t happen everywhere; often elsewhere buffoon posters are embraced and celebrated by their brethren fans. So in that comparison we are far keener fans, yes 5 star compared to them.
 
As far as I know, I used the term 5* program first on this board. Haven’t seen it used before here, or anywhere else.

Even if you google 5* football program, you won’t find any references, aside from a youth football program. But I just don’t see any references with regards to a college football team.
So you invented a word and its meaning? Maybe you should apply for a patent so no one else can define the word differently. Call @Knight Shift; he's the expert on patents.
 
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So you invented a word and its meaning? Maybe you should apply for a patent so no one else can define the word differently. Call @Knight Shift; he's the expert on patents.
Expert? Thank you. Unlike al, I'm not prone to hyperbole. That does not make al bad and me good. To me, it's important to stay humble and hungry. I repeat this often to young attorneys: "I'm practicing patent law with the hope that some day I may be good at it." 😁 Expert? I'll be dead before that happens.

Anyway, I think al could get a trademark on "5* Program". I handle trademarks too, but less than patents, and I'm even further from an expert in that area. Fun stuff.
 
Expert? Thank you. Unlike al, I'm not prone to hyperbole. That does not make al bad and me good. To me, it's important to stay humble and hungry. I repeat this often to young attorneys: "I'm practicing patent law with the hope that some day I may be good at it." 😁 Expert? I'll be dead before that happens.

Anyway, I think al could get a trademark on "5* Program". I handle trademarks too, but less than patents, and I'm even further from an expert in that area. Fun stuff.
That's exactly the attitude to have in almost all walks of life.
 
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